🐱 Tim Burton’s Racist Comments Loom Over Otherwise Great Casting for Netflix’s ‘Wednesday’

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From insisting he was never influenced (even indirectly) by major art movements to downplaying the Jewish cultural elements of his works, director Tim Burton has done and said a number of questionable things in his long film career. However, his comments about Black and brown people not fitting his aesthetic was the bluntest and most recent of these … choices. In a 2016 interview with Bustle, he pretended like calls for diversity ware new and tried to use the ’70s genre of blaxploitation (a genre created in spite of people like Burton) as a shield for his own mono-racial casting.


Something that hurts more than this comment is that many people of color who’ve dipped their toes in the alt aesthetic (maybe under another name like “emo” or “goth”) in their youth have heard versions of this justification among friends and peers who definitely made a Tim Burton movie their entire aesthetic. (My money’s on The Nightmare Before Christmas.) On the other end of the spectrum, there’s family and intra-community pushback that Tim Burton’s work is something along the lines of “white people shit.” Burton’s comments echoed all of that.

“What about [this token character of color]?”​

Some defended his comics with a flurry of equally (if not worse) racist statements and sentiments, but others took this as a moment to defend his employment of key Black roles. Let’s look at this and widen it to visible people of color. The supporting characters that come to mind are Billy Dee Williams in Batman (1989), Deep Roy in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory(2005), and Nico Parker in Dumbo (2019). Roy plays an army of happy brown servants, and Parker would not have been cast if she were darker-skinned or had non-famous parents (that is, Ol Parker and Thandiwe Newton). Instead of just wanting to be more inclusive in Batman, Burton intended to use Williams’ race to dramatize the two sides of Harvey Dent, and considering how crassly Burton talks about race, I’m glad that was scrapped for the following movie.

The only leading roles are of two Black men as villains: Samuel L. Jackson in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childern (2016) and Ken Page’s voice in A Nightmare Before Christmas (1993). Page played a character (Oogie Boogey) named after a Black slur, inspired by the first music frontman Cab Calloway, and with personality traits of loving gumbo made of bugs, gambling, and jazz. Oogie Boogey is one of the first of many instances of Burton’s relationship with fatphobic characters being portrayed as greedy and not to be trusted.

Screenwriter Caroline Thomspon told Insider in 2020 that she recognized the issues with Page’s character at the time, but Burton dismissed her as being “oversensitive.” (Something he echoed in that interview over 20 years later when he said “politically correct.”)

In over 26 features films of which he was the director, producer, and writer (almost always both of the first two) that’s it for the main and supporting characters of color. People making jokes that he “just casts the same few people” ignore how those same people only amount to like four people, and four people don’t make a movie.

Now, a few years later (and after several critical failures, I might add), Burton is back and making his TV directorial debut with Netflix’s take on Wednesday Addams, which stars several Latinx leads. Burton aside, this is a reaffirmation of a Latinx presence on her father’s (Gomez) side. The original cartoon was a Spanish caricature, but the major big screen adaptations have featured Puerto Rican (Raul Julia in The Addams Family movies) and Guatemalan/Cuban (Oscar Issac in animated The Addams Family) actors. Now, Jenny Ortega will take on the role of Wednesday with her father, played by the iconic Luis Guzmán.

Because Burton’s made it clear where he stands, it’s hard not to see this casting as a shield—possibly a shield for Netflix, too, since they continue to cancel Latinx shows. Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post). It’s hard to say for sure what was done, but I’m just going to side-eye it because Burton’s already made his thoughts on non-white people and “ethnic origins” in his projects pretty clear:



Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.

People can grow, but doubling your cast of people of color on one project with nothing else to show you’ve made progress as a person makes me think you will continue to tokenize your actors instead of seeing them as your creative peers. For a streaming service that’s very buddy-buddy with the concept of a paper bag test (among many other issues), this shouldn’t be surprising but nonetheless disappointing. As a fan of Ortega, Ricci, and the character as a whole, I want this to be good, and I want Burton to progress past thinking tales about underdogs and weirdos are stories for and about white people. Even if he shed his racism, xenophobia, and fatphobia, Burton would not have the range to do anything other than making something visually look like he had a hand in it, let alone tell a story with a diverse cast.
 
The only non pozzed white director left is the guy who made that shitty Nightmare Before Christmas movie? Jesus that's fucked.
If it makes you feel better, Burton is not the director of that movie and a lot of that story was shaped by Danny Elfman since he wrote the songs before they had a script.
 
I'm astounded Cavill hasn't been canceled yet. He's white, upper class, nonpolitical, and not related to any Pedowood elite. While he did lose out on Superman so they could make Supernigger, he's still making movies with bag name directors.

I think there was an attempt at cancelling him a few years ago. He made some comments about #MeToo. Saying how he was afraid to make the first move with women now for fear of being called a rapist etc. I think he apologised and it died down.
 
That's not true, I've definitely seen people manage to pull off black & asian goth, although you have to make slightly different aesthetic considerations to make it work since the contrast has to be consistent or depending on how dark the skintones are you can invert it and go with deepening the skintone and brightening other things like hair.
Exactly, it's a different aesthetic with darker skin tones.
The traditional goth aesthetic is pale white skin and black clothes.
Gothic isnt about pale skin, it's just fashion and personality. The mixture of archaic accessories, grim themes, and chic fashion is what creates the goth aesthetic. Black people can pull it off just fine, especially Caribbean Black individuals as Voodoo portrayal is already just "goth" but colorful lol.

If you meant literal Gothic as in the East Germanic culture, then yeah probably not.

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Those pics look more "tribal" than goth.
They have that voodoo vibe bout them.
 
Exactly, it's a different aesthetic with darker skin tones.
The traditional goth aesthetic is pale white skin and black clothes.
No, you're confusing things. Goth encompasses a wide variety of aesthetics that center around dark ghastly tones. Goth is not limited to victorian goth, which is what Burton mostly pulls from (and what I mostly like). Blackgoth is itself another subdivision of goth, but it's still markedly gothic.

Sidenote but if any of you have a uni subscription and could post the PDF for https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.7227/GS.0049 that'd be great, scihub doesn't have it
 
Big Eyes is pretty great. You can tell there's that Tim Burton touch, but it doesn't do a ton of special effects or whatever and instead sticks to the true story about the woman.

It's also just a weird look at a moment in history when people were hanging up art like this in their homes.
I have always loved Big Eye art and I really enjoyed the movie, it was the first Tim Burton film I had enjoyed in awhile and I was a huge fan up until about Sleepy Hollow.

There's actually still a pretty big market for big eyes paintings and any 70s kitsch. If you enjoy digging through thrift stores and antique malls you can make some decent money selling them. People love their tchotchkes.
 
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I was disappointed by Big Eyes. I went into it kinda excited since it was reuniting him with the screenwriters from Ed Wood, his best movie, and was finally a break from Depp, a once fruitful collaboration that had lost all of its charm. I will say that Big Eyes felt like the first movie Burton directed in a long time that sounded like material he should be making as opposed to what message boards from the late 1990s said he should be making. Back then, every dipshit was saying that Tim Burton should make Alice in Wonderland or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or The Addams Family, but make it “dark.” And that’s exactly what he’s become. There was a documentary about Burton’s doomed Superman movie and a couple of the people interviewed suggest that Burton was rattled by that experience and his approach to choosing movies was never the same. They might be right.
 
If it makes you feel better, Burton is not the director of that movie and a lot of that story was shaped by Danny Elfman since he wrote the songs before they had a script.

It's actually fairly pathetic and sad the way Tim Burton has taken total credit for that film. The guy literally wrote a vague outline, did a couple of doodles, and then fucked off for 2/3 years while the movie was actually made.

If you look at the marketing for the film, it's obvious - when it was released, it was simply "Nightmare Before Christmas". Since then, every version, has it as "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas". On top of that - the text "Tim Burton" gets bigger and bigger every time it was released on DVD/Bluray.

The dude's a hack who relies on more talented individuals in his production teams.
 
It's actually fairly pathetic and sad the way Tim Burton has taken total credit for that film. The guy literally wrote a vague outline, did a couple of doodles, and then fucked off for 2/3 years while the movie was actually made.

If you look at the marketing for the film, it's obvious - when it was released, it was simply "Nightmare Before Christmas". Since then, every version, has it as "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas". On top of that - the text "Tim Burton" gets bigger and bigger every time it was released on DVD/Bluray.

The dude's a hack who relies on more talented individuals in his production teams.
It’s been marketed as Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas since its initial release. You can see that title on the original poster and the original soundtrack cover. There might have been an early trailer that just had “Nightmare Before Christmas” as the title (but you can bet Burton’s name was evoked), but it became Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas by the time it was released.
 
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