🐱 Tim Burton’s Racist Comments Loom Over Otherwise Great Casting for Netflix’s ‘Wednesday’

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From insisting he was never influenced (even indirectly) by major art movements to downplaying the Jewish cultural elements of his works, director Tim Burton has done and said a number of questionable things in his long film career. However, his comments about Black and brown people not fitting his aesthetic was the bluntest and most recent of these … choices. In a 2016 interview with Bustle, he pretended like calls for diversity ware new and tried to use the ’70s genre of blaxploitation (a genre created in spite of people like Burton) as a shield for his own mono-racial casting.


Something that hurts more than this comment is that many people of color who’ve dipped their toes in the alt aesthetic (maybe under another name like “emo” or “goth”) in their youth have heard versions of this justification among friends and peers who definitely made a Tim Burton movie their entire aesthetic. (My money’s on The Nightmare Before Christmas.) On the other end of the spectrum, there’s family and intra-community pushback that Tim Burton’s work is something along the lines of “white people shit.” Burton’s comments echoed all of that.

“What about [this token character of color]?”​

Some defended his comics with a flurry of equally (if not worse) racist statements and sentiments, but others took this as a moment to defend his employment of key Black roles. Let’s look at this and widen it to visible people of color. The supporting characters that come to mind are Billy Dee Williams in Batman (1989), Deep Roy in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory(2005), and Nico Parker in Dumbo (2019). Roy plays an army of happy brown servants, and Parker would not have been cast if she were darker-skinned or had non-famous parents (that is, Ol Parker and Thandiwe Newton). Instead of just wanting to be more inclusive in Batman, Burton intended to use Williams’ race to dramatize the two sides of Harvey Dent, and considering how crassly Burton talks about race, I’m glad that was scrapped for the following movie.

The only leading roles are of two Black men as villains: Samuel L. Jackson in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childern (2016) and Ken Page’s voice in A Nightmare Before Christmas (1993). Page played a character (Oogie Boogey) named after a Black slur, inspired by the first music frontman Cab Calloway, and with personality traits of loving gumbo made of bugs, gambling, and jazz. Oogie Boogey is one of the first of many instances of Burton’s relationship with fatphobic characters being portrayed as greedy and not to be trusted.

Screenwriter Caroline Thomspon told Insider in 2020 that she recognized the issues with Page’s character at the time, but Burton dismissed her as being “oversensitive.” (Something he echoed in that interview over 20 years later when he said “politically correct.”)

In over 26 features films of which he was the director, producer, and writer (almost always both of the first two) that’s it for the main and supporting characters of color. People making jokes that he “just casts the same few people” ignore how those same people only amount to like four people, and four people don’t make a movie.

Now, a few years later (and after several critical failures, I might add), Burton is back and making his TV directorial debut with Netflix’s take on Wednesday Addams, which stars several Latinx leads. Burton aside, this is a reaffirmation of a Latinx presence on her father’s (Gomez) side. The original cartoon was a Spanish caricature, but the major big screen adaptations have featured Puerto Rican (Raul Julia in The Addams Family movies) and Guatemalan/Cuban (Oscar Issac in animated The Addams Family) actors. Now, Jenny Ortega will take on the role of Wednesday with her father, played by the iconic Luis Guzmán.

Because Burton’s made it clear where he stands, it’s hard not to see this casting as a shield—possibly a shield for Netflix, too, since they continue to cancel Latinx shows. Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post). It’s hard to say for sure what was done, but I’m just going to side-eye it because Burton’s already made his thoughts on non-white people and “ethnic origins” in his projects pretty clear:



Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.

People can grow, but doubling your cast of people of color on one project with nothing else to show you’ve made progress as a person makes me think you will continue to tokenize your actors instead of seeing them as your creative peers. For a streaming service that’s very buddy-buddy with the concept of a paper bag test (among many other issues), this shouldn’t be surprising but nonetheless disappointing. As a fan of Ortega, Ricci, and the character as a whole, I want this to be good, and I want Burton to progress past thinking tales about underdogs and weirdos are stories for and about white people. Even if he shed his racism, xenophobia, and fatphobia, Burton would not have the range to do anything other than making something visually look like he had a hand in it, let alone tell a story with a diverse cast.
 
Tfw if I ever get my wish for a Burton version of The Scarlet Pimpernel it's going to make everyone black, gay and trooned out.
If white people can't have dreadlocks then blacks can stay out of goth aesthetics which were undeniably made by white people. Dreadlocks are hideous but I'm just sick of the "let non whites into your culture" followed up with "No you can't enjoy things non-whites made das racis".
 
A black goth doesn't work visually
That's not true, I've definitely seen people manage to pull off black & asian goth, although you have to make slightly different aesthetic considerations to make it work since the contrast has to be consistent or depending on how dark the skintones are you can invert it and go with deepening the skintone and brightening other things like hair.
 
That's not true, I've definitely seen people manage to pull off black & asian goth, although you have to make slightly different aesthetic considerations to make it work since the contrast has to be consistent.
Sure there’s non white goths and that’s fine but I don’t think they need some weird white lady complaining there isn’t enough of them in Tim burton movies lol
 
Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.
But ... they are European. They're American Old Money with ancestral homes somewhere in Europe. There wasn't a lot of "original intent" in the design of the family, Charles Addams just drew some funny looking people and called them a family. He sometimes gave Gomez and Grandma a darker skin tone, but by the time the TV series came around they decided he was Castilian. I think later adaptations put Morticia's family in Central or Eastern Europe.
 
And the lady with the 'where are the Jews' video looks like this:
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In the "show more" of the video one of the more important things she feels she needs to point out is her race-fetishism
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Oh for fucks sake, Oogie Boogie wasn't named after a slur. He was the BOOGEYMAN. Which is a misspelling of the word Bogeyman, the word Bogey coming from Scotland and meaning "an evil or mischievous spirit."

Do negroes know that not everything revolves around them?

Hell, considering the fact that American black culture is largely of Scots-Irish origin (as is Appalachian hillbilly culture and Southern redneck culture) then that just makes it even more ironic.

But ... they are European. They're American Old Money with ancestral homes somewhere in Europe. There wasn't a lot of "original intent" in the design of the family, Charles Addams just drew some funny looking people and called them a family. He sometimes gave Gomez and Grandma a darker skin tone, but by the time the TV series came around they decided he was Castilian. I think later adaptations put Morticia's family in Central or Eastern Europe.

The Addams Family were explicitly meant as a family of old money Blue-Bloods with a very WASP surname (tbh, it's the same surname as their creator) but Gomez being explicitly Latino was definitely something that popped up as time went on.

The weird thing is that some non-Anglo Europeans actually were considered White and not just "European Ethnic" from day one depending on where you were in America.

In the Deep South in particular, both the French and European Spaniards were seen as White and you'd occasionally find WASP-esque blue blood families who weren't completely Anglo-Saxon and had some French, Galician, or Castilian in their heritage.

I always had this autistic headcanon that The Addamses lived in the Northeastern United States but Gomez's family has distant roots in the South.
 
Does the global movie makers fit Whites into their films?
I understand what you mean, but you still want everyone to buy your product. I think, you really just shouldn't say anything about, and say, "I want everyone in my films to look as autistic, pasty, and unkempt as I do".
 
Oh for fucks sake, Oogie Boogie wasn't named after a slur. He was the BOOGEYMAN. Which is a misspelling of the word Bogeyman, the word Bogey coming from Scotland and meaning "an evil or mischievous spirit."
Do negroes know that not everything revolves around them?
Scotland is 96% white.

Scotland's population was 96.0% white, a decrease of 2.0% from 2001. 91.8% of people identified as 'White: Scottish' or 'White: Other British' 4.2% of people identified as Polish, Irish, Gypsy/Traveller or 'White: Other' the population in Asian, African, Caribbean or Black, Mixed or Other ethnic groups doubled to 4%3 Aug 2021


Why do they hate Scottish culture?
 
Only pasty white people can survive dark, grim goth worlds. Everyone else would die due to complications from lack of vitamin D3.

Hey, pasty Asians can also survive in dark grim goth worlds too, as Death Note and Battle Royale proved to us.

Pale-skinned Asians are the only non-Whites who can survive in a Tim Burton-esque grimdark goth world who aren't also part of the "legally considered White" club of non-White races (Ashkenazi Jews, Gypsies, Chechens, Albanians, Scots-Irish Border Reivers)
 
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Hey, pasty Asians can also survive in dark grim goth worlds too, as Death Note and Battle Royale proved to us.

Pale-skinned Asians the only non-Whites who can survive in a Tim Burton-esque grimdark goth world who aren't also part of the "legally considered White" club of non-White races (Ashkenazi Jews, Gypsies, Border Reivers)
Actually yeah you're right. Not including them was an oversight on my part.
 
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Burton was right and Thompson was scratching for relevance. She has barely done anything since Corpse Bridge and what she has done since 2018 seems to be entirely nostalgia bait related.

Stop being racists and let people use the cast they want for the story they want to tell.
to be fair Burton's career isn't much better. He went from making the 2nd highest grossing movie of the year in 2010 to flopping hard with Dark Shadows and then just making bland films that end up breaking even if that.
Tfw if I ever get my wish for a Burton version of The Scarlet Pimpernel it's going to make everyone black, gay and trooned out.
If white people can't have dreadlocks then blacks can stay out of goth aesthetics which were undeniably made by white people. Dreadlocks are hideous but I'm just sick of the "let non whites into your culture" followed up with "No you can't enjoy things non-whites made das racis".
fuck thats a great idea, Scarlet has a bombastic hero who dresses up in odd clothes, centers on a woman with above average intelligence, and revolves around a group of weirdos saving the elites from the savages. You really wouldn't need to change much to make it a typical Burton story, i can already see it in my head, the type of film people love in the 90s/2000s only to question the fuck out of it online.
 
Hell, considering the fact that American black culture is largely of Scots-Irish origin (as is Appalachian hillbilly culture and Southern redneck culture) then that just makes it even more ironic.



The Addams Family were explicitly meant as a family of old money Blue-Bloods with a very WASP surname (tbh, it's the same surname as their creator) but Gomez being explicitly Latino was definitely something that popped up as time went on.

The weird thing is that some non-Anglo Europeans actually were considered White and not just "European Ethnic" from day one depending on where you were in America.

In the Deep South in particular, both the French and European Spaniards were seen as White and you'd occasionally find WASP-esque blue blood families who weren't completely Anglo-Saxon and had some French, Galician, or Castilian in their heritage.

I always had this autistic headcanon that The Addamses lived in the Northeastern United States but Gomez's family has distant roots in the South.
Gomez isn't Latino, it's Hispanic. Someone can have their origins be Spanird and have little if any Latino Blood. Hell, I know Hispanics that have been in California since before it became a state that take advantage of Mexicans being PoCs while ensuring their blood stays as pure as possible. And even in Latino families it's possible for the kids to be of different shades from white skin to light brown since Latinos have a diverse ethnic ancestry in most situations
 
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