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[Swerf'n'Terf]

The BBC article is clearer. Sample quotes:

The United Nations has requested that Archie Battersbee's life-support continues while it considers a "last ditch" legal bid from his family.
In a letter, the chief of the UN's Human Rights Treaties Branch, Ibrahim Salama, said it had "requested the state party (the government) to refrain from withdrawing life-preserving medical treatment, including mechanical ventilation and artificial nutrition and hydration, from the alleged victim while the case is under consideration by the committee".
"This request does not imply that any decision has been reached on the substance of the matter under consideration," Mr Salama said.

Article | Archive

 

[Murder Bunny]

The BBC article is clearer. Sample quotes:

Article | Archive

The last two paragraphs of the article make it pretty clear that the hospital is prepping for the inevitable while they await the go-ahead.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

On the subject of sperm extraction et. al. Do 12 year old boys even have anything viable to extract? I’d assume that is too young, but given my plumbing I have no knowledge of these things.

As to @Chaotic Misanthrope point, she would actually have to be with Archie for that to happen. She probably spends most the time with him staring at those screens. They’re the only sign of “life” there.

 

[St Spironolactone]

This clusterfuck of a shit show is getting more and more entertaining by the day.

The social media posts of each side in this case are as bad as each other (as in sanctimonious, cruel and revolting) and I’m quite entertained by the legal twist this case has now taken.

Archie technically died 3 months ago, so aside from the indignity of his corpse being regularly medically molested and the medical team being forced to maintain his zombie state, the main thing that disgusts me at this point is that he’s actually being given blood transfusions. Horrific.

No matter which way this goes, he won’t last for much longer anyway. Unless big jeebus steps in and Archie can then swing on his bath robe cord for all eternity. Amen!

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Urgh yes. Like that weirdo Diane Blood:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/tv/diane-blood-25-years-mum-23308252

I suppose at least the giving birth to the dead husband’s baby thing is something that can occur naturally (lots of ‘posthumous children’ were born to the dead soldiers of WW1 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1617911114) but in nature the premature death of a father could only result in a one pregnancy and any offspring would (obvs) born within nine months of dad shuffling off his mortal coil.

Extracting a dead man’s sperm for future use and popping out as many as you’ve got deposits for is just… there is no emoji that depicts my current face.

I’ve just remembered this transmunchenmum -
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/heartbroken-mum-given-reprieve-legal-23347835 who wanted to use her dead ‘daughter’s’ sperm with a surrogate.
Might have a root around for updates while we wait around for Archie to die. Or to die again, depending on how you look at it.

For now, at least, even the most munchiestmummie couldn’t legally extract, store and use sperm from her dead 12 year old. Not in the UK anyway: Let’s hope that never changes.

They did it to dead animals too. When Harambe died, the zookeepers at the Cincinnati Zoo collected and froze his sperm. However, they only planned to do it for research studies.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

So, the Optional Protocol (which is the process for getting possible state violations of the Convention considered), to which apparently the UK is a signatory, is potentially, as expected, a big time-grab.

Under Articles 3 and 4, after a qualifying communication is received, the Committee notifies the relevant State (which then has up to 6 months to respond) and in the meantime may ask that the State essentially stop or stay the actions at issue.

Article 4
"At any time after the receipt of a communication and before a determination on the merits has been reached, the Committee may transmit to the State Party concerned for its urgent consideration a request that the State Party take such interim measures as may be necessary to avoid possible irreparable damage to the victim or victims of the alleged violation.
Where the Committee exercises its discretion under paragraph 1 of this article, this does not imply a determination on admissibility or on the merits of the communication."

The bolded is likely where we are. Note Para 2, which clarifies that the request in no way implies that the request is proper or not; it's just the immediate possible action taken.

Then the process, if the State chooses to participate, goes like this:

"Article 6​

1. If the Committee receives reliable information indicating grave or systematic violations by a State Party of rights set forth in the Convention, the Committee shall invite that State Party to cooperate in the examination of the information and to this end submit observations with regard to the information concerned.
2. Taking into account any observations that may have been submitted by the State Party concerned as well as any other reliable information available to it, the Committee may designate one or more of its members to conduct an inquiry and to report urgently to the Committee. Where warranted and with the consent of the State Party, the inquiry may include a visit to its territory.
3. After examining the findings of such an inquiry, the Committee shall transmit these findings to the State Party concerned together with any comments and recommendations.
4. The State Party concerned shall, within six months of receiving the findings, comments and recommendations transmitted by the Committee, submit its observations to the Committee.
5. Such an inquiry shall be conducted confidentially and the cooperation of the State Party shall be sought at all stages of the proceedings.

(bolding is mine)

Link to the full Optional Protocol: https://www.un.org/development/desa...-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities.html

The Articles of the Convention alleged to be violated by the UK courts' decisions, if enforced, are, iirc, Articles 10 and 12:

"Article 10 – Right to life

States Parties reaffirm that every human being has the inherent right to life and shall take all necessary measures to ensure its effective enjoyment by persons with disabilities on an equal basis with others."

"Article 12 – Equal recognition before the law

1. States Parties reaffirm that persons with disabilities have the right to recognition everywhere as persons before the law.

2. States Parties shall recognize that persons with disabilities enjoy legal capacity on an equal basis with others in all aspects of life.

3. States Parties shall take appropriate measures to provide access by persons with disabilities to the support they may require in exercising their legal capacity.

4. States Parties shall ensure that all measures that relate to the exercise of legal capacity provide for appropriate and effective safeguards to prevent abuse in accordance with international human rights law. Such safeguards shall ensure that measures relating to the exercise of legal capacity respect the rights, will and preferences of the person, are free of conflict of interest and undue influence, are proportional and tailored to the person’s circumstances, apply for the shortest time possible and are subject to regular review by a competent, independent and impartial authority or judicial body. The safeguards shall be proportional to the degree to which such measures affect the person’s rights and interests.

5. Subject to the provisions of this article, States Parties shall take all appropriate and effective measures to ensure the equal right of persons with disabilities to own or inherit property, to control their own financial affairs and to have equal access to bank loans, mortgages and other forms of financial credit, and shall ensure that persons with disabilities are not arbitrarily deprived of their property."

Link to Convention:

https://www.un.org/development/desa/disabilities/convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities/convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities-2.html

 

[Grim Snark]

The Articles of the Convention alleged to be violated by the UK courts' decisions, if enforced, are, iirc, Articles 10 and 12:

"Article 10 – Right to life

States Parties reaffirm that every human being has the inherent right to life and shall take all necessary measures to ensure its effective enjoyment by persons with disabilities on an equal basis with others."

"Article 12 – Equal recognition before the law

1. States Parties reaffirm that persons with disabilities have the right to recognition everywhere as persons before the law.

2. States Parties shall recognize that persons with disabilities enjoy legal capacity on an equal basis with others in all aspects of life.

3. States Parties shall take appropriate measures to provide access by persons with disabilities to the support they may require in exercising their legal capacity.

4. States Parties shall ensure that all measures that relate to the exercise of legal capacity provide for appropriate and effective safeguards to prevent abuse in accordance with international human rights law. Such safeguards shall ensure that measures relating to the exercise of legal capacity respect the rights, will and preferences of the person, are free of conflict of interest and undue influence, are proportional and tailored to the person’s circumstances, apply for the shortest time possible and are subject to regular review by a competent, independent and impartial authority or judicial body. The safeguards shall be proportional to the degree to which such measures affect the person’s rights and interests.

5. Subject to the provisions of this article, States Parties shall take all appropriate and effective measures to ensure the equal right of persons with disabilities to own or inherit property, to control their own financial affairs and to have equal access to bank loans, mortgages and other forms of financial credit, and shall ensure that persons with disabilities are not arbitrarily deprived of their property."

Link to Convention:

https://www.un.org/development/desa/disabilities/convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities/convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities-2.html

quit double posting, holy shit. you can edit your last post instead of flooding the thread with (useful) articles.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

They did it to dead animals too. When Harambe died, the zookeepers at the Cincinnati Zoo collected and froze his sperm. However, they only planned to do it for research studies.

Yeah but in the case of dead zoo animals O can at least see the point considering many of them are endangered and zookeepers need to keep the captive population genetically diverse.
Humans are plenty diverse and not at all endangered. No reason to engage in this nonsense.

 

[A tree]

They did it to dead animals too. When Harambe died, the zookeepers at the Cincinnati Zoo collected and froze his sperm. However, they only planned to do it for research studies.

So what you're saying is we could clone Harambe and unfuck the timeline? Quick! To the Kiwimobile there isn't a moment to lose. We need to get that monkey sperm!

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Yeah but in the case of dead zoo animals O can at least see the point considering many of them are endangered and zookeepers need to keep the captive population genetically diverse.
Humans are plenty diverse and not at all endangered. No reason to engage in this nonsense.

I have the same issue with human cloning. Why would you want to have another human's genes?

 

[Garbage.Theory]

I have the same issue with human cloning. Why would you want to have another human's genes?

Sperg ahead:

Well for starters, the point isn’t to clone, it’s to create offspring for the animal. Why go through the trouble of cloning a gorilla (something we cannot do yet) when you can just impregnate a female and get adorable gorilla babies.

Remember, we’re all basically meatbags designed to replicate some stringy molecules. There’s no need for another Harambe, but we can pass down his genetics to possible children.

Secondly, there are plenty of human “clones” out there. Identical twins share pretty much an entire genome save the point mutations that occur in all of us. A clone of you wouldn’t be you, it would be like having a twin. That said, we can’t clone humans in the laboratory yet, and there aren’t many people out there working on it for the above reason. I think some Chinese scientists announced they had cloned a human embryo about a decade ago, but Chinese scientists lie like dogs and I think that got discredited.

Thirdly, cloning does have its place in the scientific community where you don’t want genetic diversity. Cloning laboratory mice is commonplace as it can control for a number of variables. Again though, not something you want done outside a lab.

Also, Hollie is riddled with STDs and I wouldn’t have sex with her.

 

[GenociderSyo]

It should also be noted in the BBC article they have the hospitals response that they are seeking info from their lawyers on what this means for "pallaitive care" aka removing ventilator.
https://archive.ph/i9Dxc

 

[A tree]

Sperg ahead:

Well for starters, the point isn’t to clone, it’s to create offspring for the animal. Why go through the trouble of cloning a gorilla (something we cannot do yet) when you can just impregnate a female and get adorable gorilla babies.

Remember, we’re all basically meatbags designed to replicate some stringy molecules. There’s no need for another Harambe, but we can pass down his genetics to possible children.

Secondly, there are plenty of human “clones” out there. Identical twins share pretty much an entire genome save the point mutations that occur in all of us. A clone of you wouldn’t be you, it would be like having a twin. That said, we can’t clone humans in the laboratory yet, and there aren’t many people out there working on it for the above reason. I think some Chinese scientists announced they had cloned a human embryo about a decade ago, but Chinese scientists lie like dogs and I think that got discredited.

Thirdly, cloning does have its place in the scientific community where you don’t want genetic diversity. Cloning laboratory mice is commonplace as it can control for a number of variables. Again though, not something you want done outside a lab.

Also, Hollie is riddled with STDs and I wouldn’t have sex with her.

My friend's got twins from a single split embryo. They're mirror image clones. One can blow milk bubbles through her left tear duct and the other one can do it on her right. Ones slightly smaller and weaker because they had TAPS syndrome but they're so creepily similar I can never get the names right and I've known them from babies.

 

[Crestnut]

Huge, huge speculation here but I wonder if Archie's sexuality was a factor. Hollie tries to insult Tom (the half-brother in those horrifying FB back and forth comments) by saying he's a "batty boy".
In the most recent judgement (15th July) Justice Hayden notes that he has "broken a few hearts" and has cards from ex-girlfriends, but being a straight dude who gets a lot of girls is going to be the expectation for him. If he deviated from this norm, maybe he felt a lot of shame.

0h great another Rott kept in a tiny council house and encouraged to be aggressive by idiots.

That pic of rottweiler has been taken from google Pic dated May 2022 So more lies Obviously she is after a free pup now

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

Well according to Hollie, Archie is disabled, so ethically I’m not sure about extracting his swimmers plus he’s 12 plus THAT IS HORRIFYING and I’ve no doubt she’d jump at the chance.
There’s only one Harambe (rip) but there’s dozens of spazzo chavlets and Hollies walking the earth right now, we do not need any more.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Somehow this snuck through the carefully guarded AA page:

 

[Brazilian Nutter]

This sounds grim but I can’t help but wonder what the ‘final’ death will be like. Once the breathing tube is removed (or the ventilator switched off) his chest will just stop rising and falling. There will be no visual response from his body when that happens, he won’t make any respiratory effort, but the monitor will soon show arrhythmias (Pulseless electrical activity rather than VF I suppose) until it becomes asystole. I presume they will turn off the alarms on the machinery before hand to stop the beeping and just go off the rhythm on screen and palpating a pulse, also auscultating for heart and breath sounds and pupillary response (I’m aware he hasn’t had pupillary response for a long time and defo won’t have breath sounds as soon as that ventilator stops). At that point he could be pronounced ‘dead dead’. The whole thing would take minutes, I’d be amazed (and horrified) if it took an hour.

Sorry for the word vomit, I’ve witnessed many deaths, but not a brain stem dead person removed from life support.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

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What’s the with olive oil?

 

[Android raptor]

They did it to dead animals too. When Harambe died, the zookeepers at the Cincinnati Zoo collected and froze his sperm. However, they only planned to do it for research studies.

That is a bit more understandable though since gorillas are an endangered species.

Assuming all remaining appeals are thrown out, roughly what date might they remove life support&finally lay this poor kid to rest?

 

[A tree]

That is a bit more understandable though since gorillas are an endangered species.

Assuming all remaining appeals are thrown out, roughly what date might they remove life support&finally lay this poor kid to rest?

Once they get the legal clearance to do it it will happen fast.