Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Saw an amazing post on the Daily Wire where a woman details her experience with phalloplasty. Incredibly well written.

Spoilered for length:

I Underwent Gender Transition Surgery: Here’s What The Media Doesn’t Tell You​

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I awoke confused. Where was I? What happened, and why was I lying on the bathroom floor soaked in urine mixed with blood?

As I wiped the urine from the inside of my legs, I reached for something to help me to my feet, still unaware of where I was. Too weak to stand alone, I leaned forward onto the countertop for stability and looked into the mirror. Who was this middle-aged man staring back at me? Where was Kellie? Where did I go? What had I become? I felt Kellie on the inside, but within a matter of months, who I was was gone.

Shaking my head to alleviate the pain and disorientation I was experiencing, it all flashed back. I turned to the toilet. I was there. I had passed out again from the pain of having six inches of bacteria infected hair on the inside of my urethra. This time, the infection was so severe that I had a silicon tube placed in my arm to deliver IV antibiotics. Every morning I awoke to the pain. It took everything I had to get dressed for work, hobble to my car, enter the hospital, and receive my IV antibiotics. Survival itself became a struggle.

Just 15 months prior, I had undergone a phalloplasty, a female-to-male bottom surgery in which doctors created a phallo using skin harvested from the arms and legs. This marked the sixth surgery I’d undergone within two years. It was the most traumatic of them all, and I’d begun to endure the crippling pain associated with the side effects of a surgery I was told would be routine.

Yet, despite the dangers of such serious medical procedures, surgeons who enter the field of transgender surgery need little to no specialized training. Doctors looking to expand their horizons can essentially make a trip to the local OfficeMax and have a sign made saying, “Transgender Surgeon,” hang it on the door, and – poof! – the transgender craze will supply them with a line of patients begging for surgery. Instantly, they have insurance companies approving $50,000 procedures with profit margins mirroring brain surgery – no questions asked. These surgeons have the LGBTQ Force Shield to protect them from any criticism as well as an army of activists to rationalize any negative publicity as “transphobia.” These unqualified surgeons hide behind LGBTQ ideology to dodge medical malpractice cases because transgender surgery is considered experimental; and without a set baseline to compare results, lawsuits are almost impossible.

Many top-rated surgeons in the world refuse to conduct transgender bottom surgeries, not because of bigotry, but because they know the risks associated with an elective surgery marred by an incredibly high complication rate.

However, for surgeons accustomed to making $300,000 a year for appendectomies and other less complicated procedures, the allure of increasing their salary instantly by performing ‘gender affirmation’ surgeries can often be impossible to resist. And as I experienced, many of the doctors taking part in these surgeries are content to ignore the complications associated with them as long as the money keeps coming in.

The complications associated with my surgery have re-written the date on my tombstone. I have shortened my life with this decision, and I think about my future grandchildren every day, knowing I may never meet them. I ache for them, and in my head I’m constantly saying, “I’m sorry my babies and future grandbabies. I’m so, so sorry.”

I remember the indoctrination and the unease as I began the surgery roller coasters, and when looking back, embarrassment falls upon me. How could I have been so stupid at 42 years old? As I deal with and try to recover from PTSD, I can still vividly recall the start of it all.
My eyes felt heavy, but the bright white walls of the surgery clinic kept me alert as the IV drugs started to take the edge off.

“You’ll be fine,” my fiance Lynette said, but something inside me told me differently. Something inside me screamed at me to leap off the gurney as the nurse began to unlock my hospital bed to wheel me into the operating room. Lynette could see I was anxious and squeezed my hand harder. The gesture comforted me, but deep down, I felt troubled that she was so eager to see me wheeled into the surgery room. I wished I had more time to talk to her, but instead it was all a whirlwind. I wanted to tell her my fears, but instead, I smiled at her, hoping that at any moment she would say, “Baby, I know you are doing this for me, and you don’t have to, because I will love you anyway, just the way you are.”

Minutes seemed like hours as the terror grew inside me. Until all at once it hit me, and I tried to lift my body to protest and say, “Stop, this is wrong!” But it was too late. Neither Lynette nor I said anything. By the time I came to my senses, the drugs had taken over.

The last thing I felt was the piercing cold of the metal operating table as the anesthesiologist said, “Count down from 100, sir.” I attempted to muster enough strength to say, “Wait, I’m not a sir. This is wrong.” But all I emitted was the inaudible flicker of my eyelids fighting to stay awake, as my mind raced. I wanted them to stop, then it all faded to black.

At the time of the surgery, it had been only two-and-a-half months since I started taking testosterone shots, but a transformation had already begun taking place. Almost instantly, my usual self-assurance — one of the critical components that made me an ultra-successful business sales executive — was slipping from me. I wondered why. My confidence and cocky air made people look up when I spoke at a sales presentation; I commanded attention. It was my sincerity, though, that made me different.

My decline in confidence started almost immediately after my first injection of testosterone, and it took several months to realize that I had stepped back in conversations. In sales meetings, I stopped raising my hand, inquiring about strategies, and fighting for accounts; I wanted to get in and out without too much noise. That was not who I was, and it confused me.

The reality was that, even though I had dreamed of having been born a male, thinking of how much easier my life would have been, I was not a male. Throughout my life, I dug deep, trying to develop a fondness for who I was, and it took a long time to begin the process of accepting myself. I dreamt of being the “ultra” boy my father wanted, the “King” in our family who would have had it all. I would have been the alpha male placed upon a pedestal decorated with footballs, motorcycles, money, attention, dirt, and everything else I loved.
Instead, who I really was became accepted, not celebrated, and I was painfully aware of that. I worked hard over the years, though, but despite finally starting to embrace my uniqueness, I was unable to resist the fantasy of what I was told medical transition could accomplish. The complications and hurdles were skimmed over, and my embrace of what I thought was self acceptance was not established enough to fight the dream I had played in my mind constantly as a child. The idea of fitting into a puzzle that I felt was always denied to me was something I couldn’t shake.

At 42, when the medical industry told me I could be born again, male, I believed them.
Within two-and-a-half months of testosterone treatment, pronouns were changing, people at work started to stare, and I was painfully aware. I began doubting myself and felt held back. I wanted to talk to Lynette, but she wrapped herself up in what my transition did for us as a couple, which supposedly fixed everything on paper. There was also nothing available to help me – on the internet, in books, or in Youtube videos – that detailed the emotional side of transitioning. Only joyful transgender people who’d been magically transformed could be found.

I was surprised at how quickly I was able to push the transition process along, considering the fact that I had only been on testosterone for a short period of time. It didn’t seem to matter to the medical professionals; they were all too eager to continue with the procedures and swipe the credit card.
The happy, lighthearted salesmanship of “medical transition” and its blunt reality don’t match up. Doctors and medical transition proponents don’t prepare you for transition-related post-traumatic stress disorders; they don’t mention post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or any of the multiple hardships because it is considered transphobic.

I want to tell my story so that others can hear what the medical industry is too afraid to say out loud: That gender transition surgery is not the magical solution that doctors, the media, and culture describe.
I learned from this experience that human beings can be convinced of anything if rendered at the right time, the right way, and by the right people, and I am no exception. Now, I want to protect others from the same lies that I fell for. Because the truth is worth it.

Scott Newgent is an author, activist and founder of TReVoices, which advocates for the end of childhood gender transitioning.
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Dr's can't be sued since it was an experimental procedure with no real hope of success anyway.
 
TiF tries to get phallo surgery. Donor skin starts to immediately die upon resection due to her shitty blood flow. TiF is now stuck in hospital awaiting another surgery.
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It is horrible that she was cut open only to find this out. However, at least she will not get a frankendick, which is a miracle. Maybe :optimistic: but hopefully she will realize how silly it is to make a glandular organ out of skin tissue.
The only safe hole for mtf is no hole- zero depth, with a bit of erectile tissue used as a stand-in for the clitoris, and skin used for labia appearance. these can look well enough to pass, retain slight sensation for sexual function, and don't involve dilation or abdominal surgeries. that and a set of breast implants are safest.
Even messing with the penis seems to cause issues. There is a risk of nerve damage. I don’t know, if I was an agp I wouldn’t want to ruin my risk of orgasm. Fetishes do seem to be extremely fixed for this type, though.
I just can’t imagine a more masculine thing than sitting and small talking with all the bros about that cute jockstrap you saw yesterday and OMG you were soooo excited because it’s sooo sexy and fun!
Also sad because there are jockstrap like underwear made for females. You don’t have to get surgery to get different panties.
I’m convinced these people just needed to be around more masculine women. Damn there needs to be a real solution for this.

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Ok mild pl but I honestly just assumed women were too smart to get srs type surgeries before looking at this thread. I also did not realize there were this many phalloplasties being performed. I also that most females were just getting “the meta” (metoidoplasty? Spelling) or mastectomies. As well, I thought most masectomy scars healed well and that females getting their nipples cut off as teenagers was extremely and exceedingly rare. But this is an actual travesty. Mark me as mati if you want but I’m now pissed off at everyone down from therapists, pharmacists, doctors, surgeons, and anesthesiologists. What are we doing to our mentally ill??!

Also, there is no point for a huge pseudopenis. A sexual partner, upon realizing that the “recipient of sexual pleasure” is getting ZERO pleasure from getting a blowjob or handy, will disengage or feel like shit because they aren’t getting their partner off. This will lead to infinite levels of embarrassment and disappointment for both parties. It’s like having ED but even worse, because there is no actual glans that might respond to ED meds.
 
Can't quote it but that "Scott"/Kellie Newgent story always throws me for a loop. So she's 42 years old at the time she starts transitioning. And she somehow blames this on her parents and girlfriend Lynette. Still. Even after realizing how bad she fucked up. How do you get to be that age and still not able to say "yeah I made a few wrong turns in life, but I learned a lot from my mistakes"? To still have it be "waaah I cut my body up to make my girlfriend and my daddy happy!"
 
Also, there is no point for a huge pseudopenis. A sexual partner, upon realizing that the “recipient of sexual pleasure” is getting ZERO pleasure from getting a blowjob or handy, will disengage or feel like shit because they aren’t getting their partner off. This will lead to infinite levels of embarrassment and disappointment for both parties. It’s like having ED but even worse, because there is no actual glans that might respond to ED meds.
Oh you sweet innocent child…

Having sex with a pseudo penis/phallo isn’t really possible much of the time.

It’s not hard. Imagine taking a floppy, bendy roll of arm skin and putting it into a vagina.

In order to have sex most of them need to use a so called sleeve. Which is basically a hard plastic condom that you wear in a harness and try to maneuver your phallo into.

Yes, they’re ruining their body and health and paying 50.000$ for a “penis” that can’t even be used for what penises are intended to do.

It’s insanity all the way down with these ladies.
 
Oh you sweet innocent child…

Having sex with a pseudo penis/phallo isn’t really possible much of the time.

It’s not hard. Imagine taking a floppy, bendy roll of arm skin and putting it into a vagina.

In order to have sex most of them need to use a so called sleeve. Which is basically a hard plastic condom that you wear in a harness and try to maneuver your phallo into.

Yes, they’re ruining their body and health and paying 50.000$ for a “penis” that can’t even be used for what penises are intended to do.

It’s insanity all the way down with these ladies.
Another method they use is to literally tape it up, and then stick a condom over it. So whatever sensation they have remaining, if any, will be dampened by layers of cloth and rubber. At which point you might as well just be using a strap-on.
 
Reading this thread is giving me true existential despair.
How the fuck have we found ourselves at a point where this fucking gross, despicable shit is not only permitted, but encouraged and promoted and those who try to decry it for the madness it is condemned and rebuked?

How is this right?
To encourage people who are already clearly extremely disturbed and irrational to mutilate themselves in search of something that all the laws of nature, science, medicine and God show is simply not possible.
You can't make a man into a woman with artificial chemical and surgery.
You cannot create a vagina with a scalpel.
Even the "best" and "most successful" examples are fucking horrific horror shows that only a follower of Slaanesh would want to touch or smell?
Likewise with women with grafted flesh tubes made from arm skin... it's fucking obscene, it's immoral, and it's not helping.
I think this shit is treated the opposite way from sense.
If some faggot minces into a doctors office and says they think they're a woman, it's probably because they don't have enough testosterone.
It would make more sense to give them more, than try to fight nature and common sense by trying to make water flow uphill.
These people are mentally ill, and I would have sympathy, but they are also  dangerous, they try to recruit, sick fucks like Keffals try to spread their sickness by latching onto confused young kids and twisting their minds to follow in their cursed footsteps.

How have we got to the point where this is "normal"?
The world is fucking insane.
 
"you can't look like a man, it takes years and steroids to look so bulky and manly"
This is the line said to females in the fitness community so they will start lifting, kinda funny seeing troons trying to coopt like it applies to them also

Damn they are sad.
Not that this isn't sad but this girl is acting like having an ugly voice is the end of the world, talk about first world problems. Like I'm all for punishing the doctors that helped her make her mistake but at the end of the day, people get throat cancer and a much more fucked up voice and manage to survive and live their lifes.

May 27, 2022 - link - archive - I wish someone had stopped me, I wish I had listened.
With the full story I've lost the little sympathy I had, deserves everything she got. She's 18 years old, not 10. "Some people have war in their countries" and all that, you can survive having an ugly voice without pretending the world is ending


That after pic isn't even real, it's edited by his doctor as an "estimation" of what result might've been. I highly doubt his shoulders look any different but as delusional as these troons are he probably believes he looks like that now.
Might look different on the size that hasn't connected!

Reading this thread made me develop an appetite for a troon show "Transgender race", which shows troons speedruning their transition presenting their results to judges.
Too bad wr need to do more "progress" for it to be a thing.
The "top surgery" butchers seem to be on that competition already, judging by the abysmal quality that seems to only go down each year

The good part is biology is kind of racist and sexist, so you'll most likely be helping someone very similar to you genetically.
If you're white and want to escape troons that's not really reassuring at all considering most troons are white and SRS is primarily a european/north american thing, though

I honestly don’t think ANYONE is attracted to neovaginas.
There's a type of degenerate that's into stuff like "wound fucking", of course we're going to find the degenerate that's into neovags. It's just a very small group of a small group of an already small group of fetishists. The neophallus seems like an even smaller thing,though. Is there even any porn of it like there is for the neovags? I don't consume porn so I don't know the trends but I've never really heard it mentioned, ftm porn seems very much focused on the vagina.

Random selection of Top surgery results 16.07.22 - 27.07.22 from r/topsurgery
I swear 5/10 years ago the top surgery results were way less horrifying, same with comparing your average mastectomy from cancer. What is happening with the surgeons doing "top suregery"? The sacar used to be somewhat standardized, now it's a free for all where some just cut a straight line, some cut up in triangles or circles. Not to mention the horrific sewing job, I care more about my random crafts than these guys care about sewing the skin properly so the skin stays somewhat flat. They also don't give a shit about "dog ears" or anything else. Placing the nipples is also just a big laugh...

Even if we want to talk about "unnecessary surgery", this is like if suddenly those super botched rhinos became the standard and nobody was saying anything. There IS a way to make this thing look more presentable, c'mon.


* - can't remember his last name, began with a D, I think. Me lazyfag.
Do you mean Miraslov Djordjevic? He's the most prolific neophallus disaster author. (I sometimes forget his last name but Miraslov is easier to remember)

(took me days to catch up, might be Late to some discussions)
 
Do you mean Miraslov Djordjevic? He's the most prolific neophallus disaster author. (I sometimes forget his last name but Miraslov is easier to remember)

Yeah, that's him. I think he mentioned his "recycling" idea once, and never again.

I guess there's no aftermarket for a original, one owner, low mileage, slightly used dick/vagoo.
 
How the fuck have we found ourselves at a point where this fucking gross, despicable shit is not only permitted, but encouraged and promoted and those who try to decry it for the madness it is condemned and rebuked?
The ghost of Darwinism, nature won't do it so now undesirable humans castrate themselves.
This is the line said to females in the fitness community so they will start lifting, kinda funny seeing troons trying to coopt like it applies to them also
Working out as a female doesn't equal taking male sex hormones and growing a pube-beard. Muscularity arises differently in the sexes, but isn't a sex-specific trait.
 
This is the line said to females in the fitness community so they will start lifting, kinda funny seeing troons trying to coopt like it applies to them also


Not that this isn't sad but this girl is acting like having an ugly voice is the end of the world, talk about first world problems. Like I'm all for punishing the doctors that helped her make her mistake but at the end of the day, people get throat cancer and a much more fucked up voice and manage to survive and live their lifes.


With the full story I've lost the little sympathy I had, deserves everything she got. She's 18 years old, not 10. "Some people have war in their countries" and all that, you can survive having an ugly voice without pretending the world is ending



Might look different on the size that hasn't connected!


The "top surgery" butchers seem to be on that competition already, judging by the abysmal quality that seems to only go down each year


If you're white and want to escape troons that's not really reassuring at all considering most troons are white and SRS is primarily a european/north american thing, though


There's a type of degenerate that's into stuff like "wound fucking", of course we're going to find the degenerate that's into neovags. It's just a very small group of a small group of an already small group of fetishists. The neophallus seems like an even smaller thing,though. Is there even any porn of it like there is for the neovags? I don't consume porn so I don't know the trends but I've never really heard it mentioned, ftm porn seems very much focused on the vagina.


I swear 5/10 years ago the top surgery results were way less horrifying, same with comparing your average mastectomy from cancer. What is happening with the surgeons doing "top suregery"? The sacar used to be somewhat standardized, now it's a free for all where some just cut a straight line, some cut up in triangles or circles. Not to mention the horrific sewing job, I care more about my random crafts than these guys care about sewing the skin properly so the skin stays somewhat flat. They also don't give a shit about "dog ears" or anything else. Placing the nipples is also just a big laugh...

Even if we want to talk about "unnecessary surgery", this is like if suddenly those super botched rhinos became the standard and nobody was saying anything. There IS a way to make this thing look more presentable, c'mon.



Do you mean Miraslov Djordjevic? He's the most prolific neophallus disaster author. (I sometimes forget his last name but Miraslov is easier to remember)

(took me days to catch up, might be Late to some discussions)
Not a medfag, but every field has it's own inner life and community. I'm sure many doctors and especially surgeons (and definitely proper cosmetic surgeons who are skilled enough to do things like repair faces after car accidents, or, idk, PUT THE NIPPLES IN THE RIGHT SPOT) probably have little respect for these butchers. And sure, there are loony plastic surgeons (we have a whole thread for their work) but this is clearly on an entirely different level. There's literally no good version of it, just less-awful.
So who is their community then? Fellow weirdo chop-shop docs? Who pushes them to do better? Who excels? Who do they want to impress? And with what??

What would they talk about at a convention? Not techniques. Not achievements. Probably the best ways to avoid clingy BPD clients and avoid lawsuits.
 
EXTREMELY late to this discussion, but the clitoris and penis essentially start out the same during development in the womb. apparently all fetuses start out female (that's why even male mammals have nipples) and then the male parts develop later if the chromosomes say to.
the clitoral head actually does look very similar to a glans, just tiny. it goes without saying however that you cannot do as an adult what was only capable in the womb
 
EXTREMELY late to this discussion, but the clitoris and penis essentially start out the same during development in the womb. apparently all fetuses start out female (that's why even male mammals have nipples) and then the male parts develop later if the chromosomes say to.
the clitoral head actually does look very similar to a glans, just tiny. it goes without saying however that you cannot do as an adult what was only capable in the womb
What does it mean to "start out female?" Not to swerve too far ot but "hasn't got the signal to grow a dick yet" isn't "default female." We're talking about a point in the development that is so early, there isn't a vagina either. For more information on the erroneous "we all start out female" trope, see this article and the cited study.
 
Went to this troon’s-

twitter, to see how fat is too fat (cos idk about BMI numbers)
And, woudlnt you know it, there is ONE picture of the actual Troon uploaded only an hour ago!

Fair fucks. That’s too fat.

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Also clean your nails. Poor Theyby :(
Micah “Gretchen Felker” Martin is 6’4 and by his own admission just shy of 400 lbs.
 
Medkiwis help me out here. Because despite my being a frequent poster in this thread I just realized something. Why don't the hackjob surgeons use the nipple sparing incision used in augmentation and gynecomastia removal?
Double incision mastectomy is the most common as it is easiest to fit the qualifications for. Since the tits are being deflated and the skin altered, the nipples are usually grafted back into a more desirable place as to look more "male" and symmetrical. The incision is happening on the underside of the boobs. Skin is being removed and the nipples would not reattach in a desirable place once the breasts are scooped, as they are supposed to be positioned on breasts.
The nipples' pedicles severed during reposition and patients lose sensation in that area after surgery.

You could theoretically keep the nipple intact after this procedure, but it would require a circular incision around each breast in order to insure the skin is not left loose, which would be undesirable. Even then, the inner ducts are built to be long enough to span from the inner areas to the nipple. A deflated breast would have inside structures that are too long for the inner body-nipple distance.

It is possible to do mastectomy without removal of the nipple. Those are the periareolar and keyhole options. Those methods though, to prevent deformity and complications, are only available for tifs with very small breasts (less skin being removed after scooping+shorter inner breast structures) and tight chest skin. This disqualifies the majority.

Even keyhole leaves this nipple altered which can be cosmetically unsatisfying:
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TLDR; keeping the nipple intact is possible but usually does not happen as skin removal requires nipple alteration for them to appear more aesthetically pleasing and anatomically similar to male nipples. The nipple tissue also needs to be short enough to not cause deformity or pain once the breast tissue is removed, which is extremely rare.
 
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What does it mean to "start out female?" Not to swerve too far ot but "hasn't got the signal to grow a dick yet" isn't "default female." We're talking about a point in the development that is so early, there isn't a vagina either. For more information on the erroneous "we all start out female" trope, see this article and the cited study.
i don't know man i heard it ages ago when i googled 'why do men have nipples' don't ask me
 
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