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He's had goodness knows how many bed baths over the last few months. Even if a post mortem is required, washing his body after death isn't going to remove physical evidence of what happened a couple of months ago.
Oh I know, it's just the usual protocol is to leave everything as is including all lines (including medications in bags), dressings, etc. It's not about collecting evidence like a CSI episode, just documenting what state the body was in at the time of death.
 
I don’t know if I am able to be as generous as you in looking for their motivation. I genuinely do believe they want a piece of the attention they see those families getting, without having to actually lose one of their own kids. You see it all the time on a much smaller scale when someone dies, all of a sudden they were everyone’s “best friend” and they have “so many memories” when in real life they barley knew the dead person. Maybe I’m cynical, but what possible help is it to get a tattoo of a dead kid you never even met?
My grandfather believed this was pride that people couldn't accept their failures toward the living that made them do this.
This is so profoundly sad. What a long, hard goodbye this has been.
 
When you die you shit yourself.
Rate me late if you will but I just wanted to address this - it's a bit of an urban myth that I thought it would be helpful to dispel (as it something that families often worry about when sitting by a dying relative).

While it can happen in certain circumstances it's a very long way from being common and doesn't happen in the vast majority of deaths.

Washing and dressing a deceased relative is more about allowing the family their final act of personal care for their loved one. It's rare that it happens in the hospital, especially for adults (most times it will be facilitated by the funeral director at their premises) but it's a bit different when children are involved. In a lot of cultures ritual washing & dressing of the deceased by close family members is an important part of their funeral rites.
 
Rate me late if you will but I just wanted to address this - it's a bit of an urban myth that I thought it would be helpful to dispel (as it something that families often worry about when sitting by a dying relative).

While it can happen in certain circumstances it's a very long way from being common and doesn't happen in the vast majority of deaths.

Washing and dressing a deceased relative is more about allowing the family their final act of personal care for their loved one. It's rare that it happens in the hospital, especially for adults (most times it will be facilitated by the funeral director at their premises) but it's a bit different when children are involved. In a lot of cultures ritual washing & dressing of the deceased by close family members is an important part of their funeral rites.
Idk our late kitten did that.
Or is this about human death specifically?
 
Idk our late kitten did that.
Or is this about human death specifically?
Human death specifically (although it doesn't happen that often with animal deaths either)... as I say it can happen and is more likely to where death is sudden & traumatic (like perhaps a RTA) because it's more likely that the bowel is full in those cases ,but it isn't so for the vast majority of deaths.
 
We have hit the review bomb phase (The "I Hope Its the right hospital" after leaving the negative review showed the smarts they have):
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Others have begun to leave their own:
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I have met a cardiologist who has done a number of heart transplants, and he doesn't come across as a very pleasant man at all. His secretary describes him as a brilliant surgeon, but he's not a people person. He prefers his patients anaesthetised.
It takes a certain type of personality to become a surgeon. Some have chosen forensic pathology as they couldn’t deal with the idea of cutting living flesh.
 
In a lot of cultures ritual washing & dressing of the deceased by close family members is an important part of their funeral rites.
32% of residents in the borough where the hospital is are of Bangladeshi origin and most of the elected officials in the area are from this group.

British Bangladeshis are mostly Muslim. I would imagine letting families wash their own child rellies at the hospital ups the odds of ticking all their religious funeral boxes (the story about the local coroner I posted a few pages ago was to do with her being accused of not prioritising Jewish and Islamic bodies in way that angered local religious leaders - she prioritised criminal cases, organ donations & children and then tried to pick out Jews and Muslims by name: https://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/...assell-apologises-for-mistakes-during-3797366 )



Re: not sending Archie to coroner with everything hospital still attached, the aim is to remove everything (except the nasal feeding tube, which can be left in place on request of the family according to the letter).


(Even writing about dead bodies can’t prevent me from daydreaming about the entire street of curry restaurants, Brick Lane, a short walk from the Royal London Hospital https://www.runnymedetrust.org/blog...rich-history-of-brick-lanes-curry-restaurants)
 
(Sorry, this is longer than I expected)

The “open your eyes” thing definitely is weird, but it was an unintentionally smart move by Hollie (since attention is what she wanted.).

Every campaign needs a slogan, and she hit on one that resonated. “It’s Time to Open your Eyes” just says it in a sentence, great start to an elevator pitch. The purple wave was also a good match, as I imagine it fits with the sports theme of Archie’s interest and the unstoppable nature of waves. The Army thing has been done many times, but in this case, with alliteration, it works. All these catchy things, plus a photogenic kid who supposedly did something like a Tik Tok challenge-something easy for parents to be worried about- got Mom media attention another child may not have received. It’s kind of genius and all accidental.

As an Amerifag I can’t think of an equivalent to the word Chav, but she did a good job considering her being dumb and uneducated.

Somebody said the Admin. Assistant wouldn't correct the big boss about typos, but that is not true. That’s a big part of their job, and in fact, Admins usually write those letters and not the big boss. It should have gone out with proper English. It’s a small thing but it does make them look unprofessional and uncaring at a time when they really shouldn’t.

It’s good that Army members are remembering that other families exist in that hospital. Jahi’s mom had family and friends eating fish fry and blasting music in the waiting room which disturbed a lot of grieving people. I doubt remembering others will stop the Army from showing up outside with their purple balloons, signs and prayers, and I’m sure there will be a police presence both outside and in. It may be enough to prevent them from hoping to get inside to interfere. They can’t stop it anyway and many just seem to be mothers and keyboard warriors, not up for a real fight.

I started the Jahi McMath thread. I was so horrified at not only what happened to Jahi, but the way her family behaved. There are a lot of similarities between these cases, but I honestly do think Hollie loves Archie, bad/neglectful/overbearing mother or not. (It happens, and she even tried Jo Frost techniques instead of hitting.) I didn’t feel that way about Nails, who eventually moved out of state to be with her corpse daughter and left her little kids behind to get in fights and congratulated them for doing so. Nails was in it for cash, pure and simple, and didn’t care about her kids. I think Ella is money-hungry too, but I feel like Hollie’d rather have Archie than money.

I’m not sure what the difference is for me, and I guess it’s just little things. There are lots of pictures of Archie, he looked healthy, she was doing stuff with him-Jahi was fat and just had a couple pics. a school one and one at a pool is all I remember, none with mom. She needed surgery due to her weight, nobody cared to help her lose instead of surgery. I guess it’s just things I can’t explain, but I do feel Hollie is suffering and acting out from pain, and I felt Nails wanted to get around the CA malpractice caps and just used Jahi. .

Of course, I do think Hollie has been outrageous, and has been, as I said before, in a fight with those she didn’t need to be. The dread she must be feeling right now is overwhelming. I think she somehow thinks if she fights hard enough, she can stave off the inevitable and Archie will wake up, even though she’s admitted he won’t be the same. She’s now realizing that won’t happen but stating “execution” is a sensationalist way of expressing despair. She too dumb to trust that anybody has their best interests in mind.

I know I’ll get a lot of disagreement and it’s ok, I get it. I’m not worried about Archie or his dignity-once you are dead it’s meaningless. I do worry about the well-being of the people who care for Archie though. I hope they all get vacations after it’s over. Somebody should start a GFM for them.

Bottom line: Hollie better come to terms with it and turn her phone off, because Tuesday is going to be the day and if she wants to say anything to his body, now’s the time. Batman is not coming.

Tl:dr; I truly wish the family could put their anger aside and give their son the beautiful send off he should have had 4 months ago. 🤞🏽🙏🏼
 
We have hit the review bomb phase (The "I Hope Its the right hospital" after leaving the negative review showed the smarts they have):
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Who wants to bet these ignorant retards are up at their local A&E demanding a consultant looks at their kid because he has a runny nose next weekend? I know a lot of Americans freak out at the socialised healthcare we have here, but our NHS is a massive gift to most of us and to see these fuckers, who have most likely abused it their whole lives and contributed to its decline over the pandemic, talking about them this way makes me very MATI. In a just world they would be banned from using it, but they know they never will be so on they go writing barley legible bullshit like this for a doctor coming off of a 36 hour shift to read on his way home.
 
Human death specifically (although it doesn't happen that often with animal deaths either)... as I say it can happen and is more likely to where death is sudden & traumatic (like perhaps a RTA) because it's more likely that the bowel is full in those cases ,but it isn't so for the vast majority of deaths.
Keep in mind the kid has been on parenteral feeding for three months. He's likely pooing about a 6 on the stool consistency scale, so to put it indelicately yes there is a good/better than normal chance he will shit himself at the end.
 
Washing and dressing the deceased, especially a child, is just what you do. At the end of a long day you wash your child, you help them get their pyjamas on, and you tuck them up in bed. It's a parenting ritual that draws that day (or life in this case) to an end and marks it as done. I'm not good at explaining it but it provides the psychological comfort of an established pattern of steps, you k ow what you need to do now and you know what needs to be done next and it helps you to mentally and physically keep moving forwards.

Not that Hollie will do or understand any of that, she's going to cause as much trouble as possible and will be doing her nut about the "exercution" long after Archie has gone to his gaudy exhibition of a grave.

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I lost a baby years ago well into the second trimester and one of the few things I was able to do for her was to make sure she was washed and sort of dressed (tiny hat and a blanket). Before she was delivered I was adamant that I didn't want to see her afterwards, didn't want to know anything about her but then a nurse took me aside and very kindly explained that it would help me recover if I was to do these things, that it's a shitty situation but that's life and all you can really do is navigate your way out of it by following a checklist of rituals. It gave me that feeling I tried to describe above of drawing a line under things and making sure that she was sent on her way "properly".

Edited to correct my shit spelling
 
As an Amerifag I can’t think of an equivalent to the word Chav,
‘White trash’ is probably the closest phrase? You don’t have an exact equivalent because social class is a lot more fluid than it is here (and in the UK class is less correlated with race - posh people can be black/brown as long as they are extremely rich and went to one of a handful of toff schools).

Eminem is an Americhav.
NASCAR & MMA fans are probably the most similar to chavs (but are more likely to be in full time work and own their own modest properties than chavs are due to the US having less of a benefits/welfare system).
know a lot of Americans freak out at the socialised healthcare we have here, but our NHS is a massive gift to most of us and to see these fuckers, who have most likely abused it their whole lives and contributed to its decline over the pandemic, talking about them this way makes me very MATI.

Yep.
The NHS is a leaky, creaky old boat of an organisation but when it’s at it’s best it is genuinely world class.
Paediatric intensive care/paediatric oncology/rare genetic diseases are areas where the NHS excels - especially in the big teaching hospitals.

I don’t know how Archie transferred from his local hospital to London but one of the reasons to end up at the Royal rather than say, Great Ormond Street or UCH is because the Royal has a helipad on the roof (whereas GOSH air ambulance has to land in Regents Park and transfer by road). The other option for both PICU and helipad is Kings College, but that’s South London and East London is better located for coming into London from Southend.

 
I believe the UN may have realized no further input will be required.
They're probably powerless about this, that's all. As I understand it, they fall under international law which sort of gives countries the leeway to not listen to them - this law professor doesn't seem too sure how it works either. It's probably why Hollie has tried to involve the Health Secretary

ECtHR (the European Human Rights Court) is different because everything is implemented into domestic laws, hence why the Conservatives are talking about changing the Human Rights Act which implements the ECHR rights into domestic law + requires courts to take consideration of the ECtHR decisions

Anyway, in my totally uneducated opinion on how the UN would work here specifically, I would think the UN would just review the UK Court's decision (+ possibly wider policies in these situations) much like the ECtHR would. It will probably happen even if Archie's life support is withdrawn, and then Hollie has something to hang on to this attention for a while
 
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