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Why would Ukraine kill its own heroes? Don’t fall for Kremlin propaganda.​

This might make sense for the Iran-Iraq war, but there is no moral equivalency between Ukraine and Russia. The Ukrainians are innocent victims of unprovoked aggression. They are not known to deliberately target civilians, much less their own captured soldiers. The Russians are notorious war criminals and liars who routinely blame someone else for every outrage they (or their allies) commit — including shooting down a Malaysian passenger jet over Ukraine in 2014 and slaughtering civilians in Bucha, Ukraine, this year.

It is, of course, possible that an errant Ukrainian artillery strike might have hit the prisoner-of-war camp near Olenivka, in eastern Ukraine. But the Ukrainians deny that they fired any artillery in the area on Friday, and the Russians aren’t claiming a “friendly fire” accident. Russian media claims that the Ukrainians deliberately slaughtered their own soldiers to discourage others from surrendering and to prevent these soldiers, who belonged to the Azov Regiment, from testifying about supposed Ukrainian war crimes.

As usual, Russian propaganda makes no sense. The Azov Regiment surrendered in Mariupol only after receiving orders to do so from Kyiv, and the only war crimes its members witnessed were committed by the Russians against the people of Mariupol. They are heroes in Ukraine, and governments — even governments far less democratic and law-abiding than the one in Kyiv — do not ordinarily kill their own heroes.

The Russians, by contrast, have plenty of reason to murder these soldiers, whose desperate resistance in the Azovstal steel plant cost the Russians dearly and prevented them from shifting forces to the east. The Russian Embassy in London actually tweeted on Friday: “Azov militants deserve execution … because they’re not real soldiers. They deserve a humiliating death.”

The way that Russians treat POWs was evident in a widely circulated video that appears to show a pro-Russian fighter castrating and executing a bound Ukrainian prisoner. The Russians — who have been accused of rape and sexual violence, in addition to killing and deporting countless Ukrainians — seem to be plumbing new depths of depravity in their genocidal war to eradicate the Ukrainian nation.

The invaders’ barbarism can seem atavistic and animalistic, and no doubt it is, but there is a certain logic to their cruelty. Because the Russian army lacks the requisite skill for maneuver warfare, it seeks to prevail by slaughtering civilians, instead. Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has used such scorched-earth tactics before, in Chechnya and Syria, to eradicate all opposition. Only in Ukraine, the Russian barbarism isn’t working. Rather than leading the Ukrainians to capitulate, it is uniting them in armed defense of their nation.

It is not that Ukrainians are necessarily more courageous than Chechen or Syrian rebels. The difference is that, unlike earlier victims of Russian aggression, they have the means to resist the onslaught. Armed with artillery, multiple-launch rocket systems, drones, antitank missiles, antiaircraft missiles and other weapons supplied by the West, the Ukrainians have been fighting back so effectively that the Russian offensive is at a virtual standstill.

The Ukrainians’ most effective weapons system is the U.S.-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). That, no doubt, is why the Russians are blaming a HIMARS strike for the deaths of Ukrainian POWs in Olenivka, even though military experts argue that photos of the damage do not reveal the telltale signs of a HIMARS strike. Moreover, the prisoner camp was close to the front lines, and the Ukrainians have reserved HIMARS strikes for targets deep behind Russian lines.

There are other discrepancies, too, including a statement from a Donetsk official that no Russian guards were injured in the attack on Olenivka. How convenient. Now the Russians are refusing to let the International Committee of the Red Cross inspect the site. A senior Pentagon official is right to advise “that we apply some caution … to what the Russians are telling us, just because we know that they have made several claims in the past that have not been close to correct.”

I would go further and suggest that, unless it is proven otherwise, we should assume that every word out of the mouths of Kremlin spokespeople is a lie — including “and” and “the.” That doesn’t mean that Ukraine is always pure or always right. But its track record inspires far greater confidence than Russia’s.
The Ukrainians are trying to obey the laws of war despite the considerable provocations they confront, while the Russians routinely and brazenly flout every norm of civilized behavior. The Russians don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt — and the Ukrainians do.
 
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Not sure what the Kremlings have to do with this
 
The most likely scenario is that the Ukies were trying to prison break the most hyper-nationalist POWs in Russian hands, that were anywhere close to the front lines. There is plenty of precedent for that sort of thing, most famously having Mosquito Fighter-Bombers skip bomb the walls of a German prison holding Brits and Free French POWs.

The problem is that they fucked the dog with the targeting, killing a bunch of their own. They then spin up a story about how Evil Putler used a rocket attack to kill and cover up evidence of torturing Azov POWs. The Russians then try to flip the propaganda script to paint the Ukies in the worst possible light.

Its an option to consider anyway.
 
A little tip when it comes to war prisoners.

Do not believe anything a POW says regardless of what side they are on. You don't know what was done or said to them to get such a confession.
A little tip when it comes to unironic nazis.

If there are evidence of them killing and torturing people from 2014-2015, then most likely they kill and torture people. Good riddance though, getting roasted alive is the least they deserved.
 
The Ukrainians are innocent
So you're saying that wasn't Azov/Ukrainians I saw nail a Russian soldier to a cross, which they then lit a fire under?
lol wanted to smugpost before reading and didn't realize the dead POWs he's whinging about were the crucifiers, ain't payback a bitch?
The Azov Regiment surrendered in Mariupol only after receiving orders to do so from Kyiv, and the only war crimes its members witnessed were committed by the Russians against the people of Mariupol
 
Repost of what I posted a day ago.

So some news about the POW.

It would seem like the Russians killed them. I hate to link to Reddit, but some solid info there.

Satellite Pictures before and after.
Video of the aftermath

All the beds are not thrown about from the impact, there are no secondary impact craters from the 5 other Himar's missiles and no fragments in the video on the walls from the impact. Only scorch marks, so it would seem the Russians burnt 200 POWs alive.
As fucking retarded as you are, and the stupid shit you post, if you told me the sky was blue i'd have to go out and check. Just shut the fuck up and go away, you smooth pickled brained faggot.
We do know from the headlines that Z-man has been trying to make himself more politically stronger and has been firing a lot of folks while the Russians have done some POW exchanges with some of those Azov folks and are cucking on even shooting that one British tard named Aiden Aslin.

I am going to with Z-man bombing them as revenge for Azov cucking him hard on camera around 2019.
The last time I was told something was Russian propaganda, the people that told me that ended up being liars.

I dunno.
July 28th - the video is released where one of the captured nazis from Azov Dmitriy Kozatsky confesses that their higher ups told them to execute captured russian troops on camera and spread it around to cause panic. He hints that idea came after his higher ups talked to Zelensky.
Night of July 28-29th - the penal colony where those sick fucks were held gets blasted.
Holy fuck, Max Boot from WaPo wrote this.

Hohols first had their kike leader do a photoshoot and now another kike does this puff piece for them.
All this together tells me all i need to know. Max Boot is a lying faggot, always has been. Dude is allergic to the truth.
 
I have a hard time trusting anything written by a western propagandist. I have an especially hard time when it's for a country that is getting the international community to throw money, hardware, and bodies at it. It becomes even harder when the leader the media is trying to prop up is being portrayed as some strong scrappy type; while getting professional photo shoots and personal meetings with US Congressmen... While allegedly staying in his country under siege.

Can't believe the Kremlin, watch out for those guys.
 
I have a hard time trusting anything written by a western propagandist. I have an especially hard time when it's for a country that is getting the international community to throw money, hardware, and bodies at it. It becomes even harder when the leader the media is trying to prop up is being portrayed as some strong scrappy type; while getting professional photo shoots and personal meetings with US Congressmen... While allegedly staying in his country under siege.

Can't believe the Kremlin, watch out for those guys.
Don't believe Kremlin propaganda, believe Beijing and Washington propaganda instead!

This article has the same energy as Nick Naylor.

"Don't do drugs, kids. Instead...smoke cigarettes!"
 
As fucking retarded as you are, and the stupid shit you post, if you told me the sky was blue i'd have to go out and check. Just shut the fuck up and go away, you smooth pickled brained faggot.

Hey fag boy sorry that the baby rapists that you look up to did another war crime, don't want to hurty your fee fees by showing some evidence.
 
The most likely scenario is that the Ukies were trying to prison break the most hyper-nationalist POWs in Russian hands, that were anywhere close to the front lines. There is plenty of precedent for that sort of thing, most famously having Mosquito Fighter-Bombers skip bomb the walls of a German prison holding Brits and Free French POWs.

The problem is that they fucked the dog with the targeting, killing a bunch of their own. They then spin up a story about how Evil Putler used a rocket attack to kill and cover up evidence of torturing Azov POWs. The Russians then try to flip the propaganda script to paint the Ukies in the worst possible light.

Its an option to consider anyway.
I think it was either that, or Ukraine was afraid that those particular prisoners would be put on display for propaganda purposes once the war is over.
 
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