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Why would Ukraine kill its own heroes? Don’t fall for Kremlin propaganda.​

This might make sense for the Iran-Iraq war, but there is no moral equivalency between Ukraine and Russia. The Ukrainians are innocent victims of unprovoked aggression. They are not known to deliberately target civilians, much less their own captured soldiers. The Russians are notorious war criminals and liars who routinely blame someone else for every outrage they (or their allies) commit — including shooting down a Malaysian passenger jet over Ukraine in 2014 and slaughtering civilians in Bucha, Ukraine, this year.

It is, of course, possible that an errant Ukrainian artillery strike might have hit the prisoner-of-war camp near Olenivka, in eastern Ukraine. But the Ukrainians deny that they fired any artillery in the area on Friday, and the Russians aren’t claiming a “friendly fire” accident. Russian media claims that the Ukrainians deliberately slaughtered their own soldiers to discourage others from surrendering and to prevent these soldiers, who belonged to the Azov Regiment, from testifying about supposed Ukrainian war crimes.

As usual, Russian propaganda makes no sense. The Azov Regiment surrendered in Mariupol only after receiving orders to do so from Kyiv, and the only war crimes its members witnessed were committed by the Russians against the people of Mariupol. They are heroes in Ukraine, and governments — even governments far less democratic and law-abiding than the one in Kyiv — do not ordinarily kill their own heroes.

The Russians, by contrast, have plenty of reason to murder these soldiers, whose desperate resistance in the Azovstal steel plant cost the Russians dearly and prevented them from shifting forces to the east. The Russian Embassy in London actually tweeted on Friday: “Azov militants deserve execution … because they’re not real soldiers. They deserve a humiliating death.”

The way that Russians treat POWs was evident in a widely circulated video that appears to show a pro-Russian fighter castrating and executing a bound Ukrainian prisoner. The Russians — who have been accused of rape and sexual violence, in addition to killing and deporting countless Ukrainians — seem to be plumbing new depths of depravity in their genocidal war to eradicate the Ukrainian nation.

The invaders’ barbarism can seem atavistic and animalistic, and no doubt it is, but there is a certain logic to their cruelty. Because the Russian army lacks the requisite skill for maneuver warfare, it seeks to prevail by slaughtering civilians, instead. Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has used such scorched-earth tactics before, in Chechnya and Syria, to eradicate all opposition. Only in Ukraine, the Russian barbarism isn’t working. Rather than leading the Ukrainians to capitulate, it is uniting them in armed defense of their nation.

It is not that Ukrainians are necessarily more courageous than Chechen or Syrian rebels. The difference is that, unlike earlier victims of Russian aggression, they have the means to resist the onslaught. Armed with artillery, multiple-launch rocket systems, drones, antitank missiles, antiaircraft missiles and other weapons supplied by the West, the Ukrainians have been fighting back so effectively that the Russian offensive is at a virtual standstill.

The Ukrainians’ most effective weapons system is the U.S.-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). That, no doubt, is why the Russians are blaming a HIMARS strike for the deaths of Ukrainian POWs in Olenivka, even though military experts argue that photos of the damage do not reveal the telltale signs of a HIMARS strike. Moreover, the prisoner camp was close to the front lines, and the Ukrainians have reserved HIMARS strikes for targets deep behind Russian lines.

There are other discrepancies, too, including a statement from a Donetsk official that no Russian guards were injured in the attack on Olenivka. How convenient. Now the Russians are refusing to let the International Committee of the Red Cross inspect the site. A senior Pentagon official is right to advise “that we apply some caution … to what the Russians are telling us, just because we know that they have made several claims in the past that have not been close to correct.”

I would go further and suggest that, unless it is proven otherwise, we should assume that every word out of the mouths of Kremlin spokespeople is a lie — including “and” and “the.” That doesn’t mean that Ukraine is always pure or always right. But its track record inspires far greater confidence than Russia’s.
The Ukrainians are trying to obey the laws of war despite the considerable provocations they confront, while the Russians routinely and brazenly flout every norm of civilized behavior. The Russians don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt — and the Ukrainians do.
 
I have received new information from Putler himself.

Apparently Zelensky did another photoshoot that the Western Press is hiding.

Okay, why would i care about this?
You forget i support this war because i want to see subhuman Russians die, so the fact that you are a subhuman is nothing new to me,
 
Okay, why would i care about this?
You forget i support this war because i want to see subhuman Russians die, so the fact that you are a subhuman is nothing new to me,
Fess up - are you a Ukie, a Balt, or a Pole?

Because I notice screaming about the genocidal and dehumanizing actions of others while also unironically engaging in genocidal and dehumanizing language towards those others and keeping blood feuds going over shit that happened nearly a century ago seems to be a common trait among those dumb slavniggers. Reminds me a lot of Arabs, actually.
 
Nobody in the west even cares about this war anymore. Well, at least until our politicians decide to give them a few billion dollars during a time that a recession looms. Seriously though, I'm sick and tired of the media pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining with this Ukraine shit. The normal Ukrainian civilian, I feel for them, they are living in hard times, but I don't trust anything about Ukraine's politicians and I sure as shit don't like how US politicians are so bipartisan on giving Ukraine arms and resources. We already know about several shady deals in Ukraine with links to western politicians, and those are without a doubt the tip of the iceberg. The fact that the MSM also is pushing these puff pieces on Ukraine makes me know that the full truth isn't being told.
There's been hundreds of conflicts in other shitholes around the world, awash in war crimes that they may put into a tiny blurb article, but suddenly Ukraine happens and I'm supposed to care? Nah, fuck that. Every organization reporting on this war is coming at it from an angle and they are all selling a load of shit.
 
Hey fag boy sorry that the baby rapists that you look up to did another war crime, don't want to hurty your fee fees by showing some evidence.
@RandomTwitterGuy being a pedophile projecting his mind and mentality ilnesses on Kiwi Farms users, in color.

Sammich have spoke correct, shut the fuck up at once or just flee back to where you belong (reddit), OR, what would be even better, KYS in the name of Ukraine that already won according to some troon glownigger "sarah" that is mentally challenged even by troon merits.
 
@RandomTwitterGuy being a pedophile projecting his mind and mentality ilnesses on Kiwi Farms users, in color.

Sammich have spoke correct, shut the fuck up at once or just flee back to where you belong (reddit), OR, what would be even better, KYS in the name of Ukraine that already won according to some troon glownigger "sarah" that is mentally challenged even by troon merits.

Are you going to go to your little safe space where you can hurdle op and be all edgy about me pointing out your a fucking pedo subhuman fuck heel?
Oh no RandomTwitterGuy was mean to me, oh no better go post in a thread about him that he did not even notice for several days so i can get some emotional support like a fucking fag.
 
Are you going to go to your little safe space where you can hurdle op and be all edgy about me pointing out your a fucking pedo subhuman fuck heel?

@RandomTwitterGuy being a pedophile projecting his mind and mentality ilnesses on Kiwi Farms users, in color.

You keep confirming my words regarding your faggotry being absolutely true and honest. Atta boi.
 
This war is just met with more and more apathy from me and the rest of the world because its clear that both sides deserve each other and they are ruining everyone's lives to force people to care.

Shit like this only makes people stop caring at best and get angry at worst. And get more angry at their own governments for a cause that the people does not approve/cares for.
Watching every news agency and government organisation tell me I should care about Ukrainians and how we should endure economic sacrifice for a known corrupt country that world leaders have been running money through makes me become more apathetic to their plight.

Will remind Americans of that Biden Admin who was asked about fixing the economy and not sending so much cash to Ukraine /cutting trade ties with Russia, only for him to say in more polite words "get fucked, this is for the defence of the global world order.

You have Germany doing fucking light and hot water rationing/curfews because they offloaded all their energy to Russia, then cut ties with them, and now everyone there (read: everyone not an elite) has to suck it and like it.
 
I'm not falling for Ukraine propaganda either. Fuck em too.
I love how they say "so-and-so deserves the benefit of the doubt."

That's some serious gaslighting there, considering that our politicians have never left room for doubt. Like Bill Maher said in Religulous, everybody is selling certainty. I agree with him on his statement that we need doubt.
 
A little tip when it comes to unironic nazis.

If there are evidence of them killing and torturing people from 2014-2015, then most likely they kill and torture people. Good riddance though, getting roasted alive is the least they deserved.
lol
You sound like some petulant antifa moron whining about nazis.
Doesn't matter if it was the jew zelensky or the Russians being morons again, and we'll find out eventually, just like it was discovered that it was the Soviets who killed all those Polish prisoners in 1939 and blamed it on the Germans, then used numerous other fictitious massacres to prosecute the Germans after the war.
 
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Hey fag boy sorry that the baby rapists that you look up to did another war crime, don't want to hurty your fee fees by showing some evidence.
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.

Fess up - are you a Ukie, a Balt, or a Pole?

Because I notice screaming about the genocidal and dehumanizing actions of others while also unironically engaging in genocidal and dehumanizing language towards those others and keeping blood feuds going over shit that happened nearly a century ago seems to be a common trait among those dumb slavniggers. Reminds me a lot of Arabs, actually.
He's a street shitter that is surprised street shitting means no one will take you seriously.
And also thinks LARPing as a redditor or twitter or whatever the fuck on the one website he's allowed at is some massive own to the rightoids or altoids or whatever.
tl;dr - pretending to be retarded to hide he is in fact. Retarded.
 
The Ukrainians are innocent victims of unprovoked aggression.
Doesn't matter much-- they'll have to defend their land all the same, if they want to keep it.

The Russians are notorious war criminals
The idea of a "war crime" is dumb. You're already murdering people, and nobody's ever going to call you out if you win the war, anyways. Literally nobody cries about how America bombed Tokyo for months during WWII-- why? Because we won.
 
Gee, it's like storming a federal building with a guard protecting the premises is a bad idea. Food for thought.
Didn't a environmental group did the exact same thing months in 2018 but none of them were domed?

 
Repost of what I posted a day ago.

So some news about the POW.

It would seem like the Russians killed them. I hate to link to Reddit, but some solid info there.

Satellite Pictures before and after.
Video of the aftermath

All the beds are not thrown about from the impact, there are no secondary impact craters from the 5 other Himar's missiles and no fragments in the video on the walls from the impact. Only scorch marks, so it would seem the Russians burnt 200 POWs alive.
>"Solid info"
>Reddit

At least it's not CNN.
 
The only reason I care about Ukrainians is because I am one. Zelensky is a kike though and should have never been installed as president by the US state dept, but they needed someone corrupt who would help Jim Brandon and his retarded faggot crackhead son in their corrupt dealings over there.

Ask yourself the question: why is Ukraine so important to the uniparty? Always ask "Who benefits?"
 
The only reason I care about Ukrainians is because I am one. Zelensky is a kike though and should have never been installed as president by the US state dept, but they needed someone corrupt who would help Jim Brandon and his retarded faggot crackhead son in their corrupt dealings over there.

Ask yourself the question: why is Ukraine so important to the uniparty? Always ask "Who benefits?"
jew benefits
 
The most likely scenario is that the Ukies were trying to prison break the most hyper-nationalist POWs in Russian hands, that were anywhere close to the front lines. There is plenty of precedent for that sort of thing, most famously having Mosquito Fighter-Bombers skip bomb the walls of a German prison holding Brits and Free French POWs.
You forgot to mention that the British would send two waves of bombers. First wave to destroy walls, towers, and barracks so prisoners have a chance to flee. Then the second wave would arrive a few minutes later to destroy everything else, including any prisoners that couldn't make it out.
 
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