Canada is a failed state

[Super-Chevy454]

Until bleeding heart judges, prosecutors and parole boards are personally made to pay for letting violent criminals prey on Canadians, this will keep happening.

The same thing just happened in Ottawa. A violent Sudanese migrant murdered someone just after a corrupt judge let him stay in the country.

The Judges, Sebastien Grammond, is apparently well known for being a piece of shit.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/man-charged-in-homicide-had-been-found-to-be-danger-to-public-but-judge-stayed-deportation

This is one judge who desserve then karma paid him a visit...

 

[The-Patriarchy]

Now that Neil Peart is dead, there's no reason to like Canada any more.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Until bleeding heart judges, prosecutors and parole boards are personally made to pay for letting violent criminals prey on Canadians, this will keep happening.

The same thing just happened in Ottawa. A violent Sudanese migrant murdered someone just after a corrupt judge let him stay in the country.

The Judges, Sebastien Grammond, is apparently well known for being a piece of shit.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/man-charged-in-homicide-had-been-found-to-be-danger-to-public-but-judge-stayed-deportation

I agree, with you. The easiest way to stop this, is to make the people pushing it, live their politics. As well as holding them responsible for piss poor rulings, either with civil action or criminal charges.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I just have to get this off my chest today. A many of you living in Ontario know, we have an ER crisis but you might not know the reason and it's not covid alone. You won't believe this. You really won't. But the Doug Ford Tories's are paying doctors ''50 dollars an hour'' (a nurses wage). Contrary to misguided belief, a doctor' salary in Canada is extremely high, Ontario was the second highest in Canada prior to this administration.



Tell me this, if you were an M.D what would you do right now in this province being paid that wage? they leave. I wonder how many doctors we'll have left in Ontario especially those that work ER shifts.

This is fucking ridiculous. Even in U.S republican controlled red states doctors make good wages. Only a fucking retarded Tory would pull this bullshit. Just like in England.

 

[OutInTheRain]

As much as I hate that fat fuck Ford, ER wages to my understanding are low everywhere. Its why they have such a hard time staffing ER's everywhere. Not that I'm saying 50 dollars an hour is low, but it's low comparatively. My home province, the doc's use ER shifts mostly as "overtime."

As well, Ontario hospitals aren't directly run by the province. It's a weird grey area where they are private companies, but not-quite private. Fuck the Leaf healthcare system is so stupid and complicated.

 

[Puff]

As much as I hate that fat fuck Ford, ER wages to my understanding are low everywhere. Its why they have such a hard time staffing ER's everywhere. Not that I'm saying 50 dollars an hour is low, but it's low comparatively. My home province, the doc's use ER shifts mostly as "overtime."

As well, Ontario hospitals aren't directly run by the province. It's a weird grey area where they are private companies, but not-quite private. Fuck the Leaf healthcare system is so stupid and complicated.

Fifty dollars an hour is low. I've only got a 4 year degree, and am probably still younger than most doctors when they get out of school/resudency and I make more than that.
And if that's 50 Canadian dollars? I probably started at more than that.

 

[Dude Snakes]

I should have posted this one in the Coronavirus thread but since that guy is a well known doctor in Toronto. He passed away while he did some jogging.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/well-known-toronto-emergency-physician-dr-paul-hannam-has-died-1.5992342

Some wondered if the vax might have something to do.

Good fuck these cultists. How many people have been maimed/killed because of the shots they coerced their patients into getting? They had a lot to answer for when they met God.

 

[Ser Prize]

I just have to get this off my chest today. A many of you living in Ontario know, we have an ER crisis but you might not know the reason and it's not covid alone. You won't believe this. You really won't. But the Doug Ford Tories's are paying doctors ''50 dollars an hour'' (a nurses wage). Contrary to misguided belief, a doctor' salary in Canada is extremely high, Ontario was the second highest in Canada prior to this administration.

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Tell me this, if you were an M.D what would you do right now in this province being paid that wage? they leave. I wonder how many doctors we'll have left in Ontario especially those that work ER shifts.

This is fucking ridiculous. Even in U.S republican controlled red states doctors make good wages. Only a fucking retarded Tory would pull this bullshit. Just like in England.


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How can anyone look at what a shitshow Canada is and earnestly think "We need MORE socialism!"

 

[OutInTheRain]

Fifty dollars an hour is low. I've only got a 4 year degree, and am probably still younger than most doctors when they get out of school/resudency and I make more than that.
And if that's 50 Canadian dollars? I probably started at more than that.

Nurses(and Teachers) are the equivalent of the 5'0" bodybuilder. "We get it, you're strong, but Arnie has had bigger shits than you."

But in all seriousness, things are bad. We blame the government, and we are correct, but right for the wrong reasons. We socialized healthcare, but we forgot the bougie class responsibilities. Which includes NOT SENDING THE FUCKING JOBS WHICH DO SHIT TO MEXICO/CHINA/BANGLADESH. Like for fuck sakes how is this a hard concept to understand?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I just have to get this off my chest today. A many of you living in Ontario know, we have an ER crisis but you might not know the reason and it's not covid alone. You won't believe this. You really won't. But the Doug Ford Tories's are paying doctors ''50 dollars an hour'' (a nurses wage). Contrary to misguided belief, a doctor' salary in Canada is extremely high, Ontario was the second highest in Canada prior to this administration.

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Tell me this, if you were an M.D what would you do right now in this province being paid that wage? they leave. I wonder how many doctors we'll have left in Ontario especially those that work ER shifts.

This is fucking ridiculous. Even in U.S republican controlled red states doctors make good wages. Only a fucking retarded Tory would pull this bullshit. Just like in England.


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Does Canada have a private healthcare system? And is medical school sponsored by the government?
Since the obvious grift is have tax payed education to get a degree, do the minimal X years in some Indian/Nigger reservation (since god forbid doctors will work at low income area) and then fuck off to USA/EU for a life of luxury.

 

[TurdFondler]

You could make around $50/hr as a master plumber or HVAC tech and have a fraction of the stress and responsibility of a doctor.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Crap, Trudeau can't defend himself so he got the German chancellor to defend him.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-olaf-scholz-russia-turbines/

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called the Kremlin’s bluff by allowing Russian pipeline turbines repaired in Canada to be sent back to Moscow’s state-controlled Gazprom, arguing that this move eliminated a pretext for Vladimir Putin to reduce or stop deliveries of natural gas to Europe.

Ottawa circumvented its own sanctions against Russia in the decision last month, drawing harsh criticism from Ukraine for what it described as bending to Moscow’s blackmail.

Mr. Scholz, however, defended Mr. Trudeau and told The Globe and Mail that he considers criticism of the Prime Minister and his government over this matter to be “utterly baseless.”

He also said he would welcome liquified natural gas supplies from Canada as Germany works to reduce its reliance on Russian energy.

In June, Gazprom cited the delayed return of natural-gas turbine equipment, which Siemens Energy had been servicing in Montreal, as the reason it decided to reduce the flow of natural gas through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline that serves Germany to 40-per-cent capacity. Nord Stream 1′s majority shareholder is Gazprom and Gazprom’s majority owner is the Russian government.

 

[kim foxx]

As much as I hate that fat fuck Ford, ER wages to my understanding are low everywhere. Its why they have such a hard time staffing ER's everywhere. Not that I'm saying 50 dollars an hour is low, but it's low comparatively. My home province, the doc's use ER shifts mostly as "overtime."

As well, Ontario hospitals aren't directly run by the province. It's a weird grey area where they are private companies, but not-quite private. Fuck the Leaf healthcare system is so stupid and complicated.

the economics of healthcare being what they are hospitalists (like ER docs) eat shit everywhere. in germany, the ambulatory care doctor union tries to fuck with and depress the wages of hospitalists as much as they can because its a zero sum game chasing insurance reimbursements

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Fifty dollars an hour is low

Yeah but that's engineering, I remember you saying you were automotive?
I've got an agricultural degree and I was paid 20 when I first started (it's still 20-25 in 2022 if you just start). Then again, panem et circenses.
Gov artificially suppresses ag income IMHO. Then again, you'd be making bank if you work for yourself. But the issue is that you need significant capital investment to work for yourself. Banks aren't willing to loan because higher risk than some engineer who can design and make a product with relatively short turnaround historically (COVID may have killed that one).
Never ending catch-22.

Edit: I can't find labor under 20 USD where I am, unless its illegal. Fuck, the people doing regular fucking labor want 40 USD/HR, that's my god damn salary if I worked full time here!

 

[Puff]

Yeah but that's engineering, I remember you saying you were automotive?
I've got an agricultural degree and I was paid 20 when I first started (it's still 20-25 in 2022 if you just start). Then again, panem et circenses.
Gov artificially suppresses ag income IMHO. Then again, you'd be making bank if you work for yourself. But the issue is that you need significant capital investment to work for yourself. Banks aren't willing to loan because higher risk than some engineer who can design and make a product with relatively short turnaround historically (COVID may have killed that one).
Never ending catch-22.

Edit: I can't find labor under 20 USD where I am, unless its illegal. Fuck, the people doing regular fucking labor want 40 USD/HR, that's my god damn salary if I worked full time here!

I was calling it low for doctors. Didn't realize he was talking about nurses. In general it's a pretty damn good wage.
Ag is one of those things that you're not going to make much working for someone else, but getting started on your own is damn near impossible unless you inherit a farm. Operating a commercial row cropping farm (not one of the big multi-thousand acre jobs, those are another story) takes 8 figures of equipment investment if you're not renting equipment or hiring the harvest out.

 

[Moosebonker]

Looks like the birth rate will be dropping further.

As the UK and Scandinavian countries are putting a stop to this, Canada seems to be doubling down. I can see 'gender refugees' given priority to immigrate and receive treatment in the near future.

 

[Fatboi Gus]

Just so you guys understand, Canadian healthcare isn't just terrible. It's terminal. It's doomed.

Here's a little study that we discussed when I had an health economics class:

https://www.cia-ica.ca/docs/default-source/2013/213075e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The conclusion is dire and EVEN if the various provinces' healthcare systems implement the report's suggestion, healthcare expenditure will still increase by a predicted 50%. Healthcare is alreade most provinces' biggest expenditure. Where will the extra 50% come from?

Nowhere. It'll come from nowhere. The system is doomed and always was. It was built on a hospital-centric basis. Thst made sense in the 60s and 70s when contagious diseases killed more people. But over time people started dying more and more from degenerative type diseases- cancer, heart attacks, etc. That's best tackled by a primary-care focused system.

Why was it not transitionned long ago to that? Well, when it was still feisable, there wasn't the price pressure needed to signal a need to reallocate resoyrces because it's socialized. Now? It'd take at least a decade to properly transition everything and during that time care would suffer. It's political suicide.

It's terminal and you all better take the appropriate steps to prepare for a for-profit system to emerge within 20 years at the latest or expect ever decreasing quality and speed of care as funding becomes increasingly anemic.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Just so you guys understand, Canadian healthcare isn't just terrible. It's terminal. It's doomed.

Here's a little study that we discussed when I had an health economics class:

https://www.cia-ica.ca/docs/default-source/2013/213075e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The conclusion is dire and EVEN if the various provinces' healthcare systems implement the report's suggestion, healthcare expenditure will still increase by a predicted 50%. Healthcare is alreade most provinces' biggest expenditure. Where will the extra 50% come from?

Nowhere. It'll come from nowhere. The system is doomed and always was. It was built on a hospital-centric basis. Thst made sense in the 60s and 70s when contagious diseases killed more people. But over time people started dying more and more from degenerative type diseases- cancer, heart attacks, etc. That's best tackled by a primary-care focused system.

Why was it not transitionned long ago to that? Well, when it was still feisable, there wasn't the price pressure needed to signal a need to reallocate resoyrces because it's socialized. Now? It'd take at least a decade to properly transition everything and during that time care would suffer. It's political suicide.

It's terminal and you all better take the appropriate steps to prepare for a for-profit system to emerge within 20 years at the latest or expect ever decreasing quality and speed of care as funding becomes increasingly anemic.

And that's one detail then Michael Moore don't want to mention loudly.

Btw, some court documents about Canada's travel ban was unsealed. https://www.commonsense.news/p/court-documents-reveal-canadas-travel

On August 13, 2021, the Canadian government announced that anyone who hadn’t been vaccinated against Covid would soon be barred from planes and trains. In many cases, The Backward could no longer travel between provinces or leave the country. If you lived in Winnipeg and wanted to visit your mother on her deathbed in London or Hong Kong or, perhaps, Quebec City, you’d better get jabbed—or resign yourself to never seeing your mother again.

Jennifer Little, the director-general of COVID Recovery, the secretive government panel that crafted the mandate, called it “one of the strongest vaccination mandates for travelers in the world.”

It was draconian and sweeping, and it fit neatly with the public persona that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had cultivated—that of the sleek, progressive, forward-looking technocrat guided by fact and reason. The Canadian Medical Association Journal, in a June 2022 article, observed that “Canada had among the most sustained stringent policies regarding restrictions on internal movement.”

But recently released court documents—which capture the decision-making behind the travel mandate—indicate that, far from following the science, the prime minister and his Cabinet were focused on politics. (Canadians are hardly alone. As Common Sense recently reported, American public-health agencies have also been politicized.)

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Just so you guys understand, Canadian healthcare isn't just terrible. It's terminal. It's doomed.

Here's a little study that we discussed when I had an health economics class:

https://www.cia-ica.ca/docs/default-source/2013/213075e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The conclusion is dire and EVEN if the various provinces' healthcare systems implement the report's suggestion, healthcare expenditure will still increase by a predicted 50%. Healthcare is alreade most provinces' biggest expenditure. Where will the extra 50% come from?

Nowhere. It'll come from nowhere. The system is doomed and always was. It was built on a hospital-centric basis. Thst made sense in the 60s and 70s when contagious diseases killed more people. But over time people started dying more and more from degenerative type diseases- cancer, heart attacks, etc. That's best tackled by a primary-care focused system.

Why was it not transitionned long ago to that? Well, when it was still feisable, there wasn't the price pressure needed to signal a need to reallocate resoyrces because it's socialized. Now? It'd take at least a decade to properly transition everything and during that time care would suffer. It's political suicide.

It's terminal and you all better take the appropriate steps to prepare for a for-profit system to emerge within 20 years at the latest or expect ever decreasing quality and speed of care as funding becomes increasingly anemic.

It's over. We know it. But you have to understand, much of this was planned. Canada had a semi socialist era... in the 70's. But Canada has been moving in a different direction over the years and is ditching all efforts of state intervention. ''public housing'' was apparently stomped out by the early 1990's and though it took years.. healthcare will be next. Very, very soon.

Public Education is to follow with many provinces looking for a ''free market solution'' to schools. They're going ''charter'' guys.

All considered this isn't very impressive. Canada will be the USA 2.0 as far as social services without the economy of the U.S. You know what I mean. What a great time to leave in all honesty. Most Canadian's would make more money in the United States anyway and be able to buy a house.. if they avoid NY and California.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Despite what people claim, the American welfare state is very generous. Especially compared to Canada. We can argue about the reasons for it all day, in my opinion most funds are directed to keep healthcare going, over literally everything else. We're in one of those transition periods where frankly most issues are coming home to roost.

To anyone who can bail, might as well do it. Things are going to keep getting worse and worse.