GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

to be fair its their first time they've branched into making GPUs
They get some slack for that but looks like there are a bunch of issues with their software at the most basic level, never mind the actual drivers. Like, did they even quality test this shit before shipping to market for their new big product launch?

On the one hand you want more competition and diverse products in the GPU market but on the other hand it's intel and they absolutely deserve to eat shit.
 
They get some slack for that but looks like there are a bunch of issues with their software at the most basic level, never mind the actual drivers. Like, did they even quality test this shit before shipping to market for their new big product launch?

On the one hand you want more competition and diverse products in the GPU market but on the other hand it's intel and they absolutely deserve to eat shit.
While there seem to be some genuine problems with the drivers, I did find the criticism from certain reviewers of Chinglish in the control panel a little silly. It's probably OK for a product that's only being sold in China at the moment to not have perfect english phrasing in the driver software.
 
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While there seem to be some genuine problems with the drivers, I did find the criticism from certain reviewers of Chinglish in the control panel a little silly. It's probably OK for a product that's only being sold in China at the moment to not have perfect english phrasing in the driver software.
Yeah, at this point I'm not really surprised that they're broken, if they're still shit when Arc launches in the west they're in deep trouble. It would create a nasty reputation that would take years to get rid of even if they sort everything out in a month or two.
 
I remember a time, must have been about a decade ago, when people wouldn't shut up about getting a "Tomato compatible router". These days I never hear about them.

According to google, Tomato is basically open source custom firmware. Do any kiwis know why people were so obsessed with it and what the benefits were?
On older routers the transmit/receive power on the antennas was nerfed out of the box. I believe the Linksys WRT54GL came at 30mW and could go to 70-100mW. The router could be overclocked and many features could be added. Many of these routers used the exact same hardware as higher priced models but were capped by firmware. It was equivalent to getting root in an android phone years ago when it offered huge benefits.

Just like rooting android, many features that people wanted were added into stock firmware (at least partially) and the benefits have decreased over time. I feel as though Tomato and OpenWRT/DDWRT projects have suffered over time and drastically declined in popularity. Flashing routers can still unlock many features on certain manufacturer models.

I have my AX-68U flashed with Merlin. It is stock firmware with many handy tweaks and features added. I have access to a full root command line over SSH, have a package manager, and many customizations. I have all traffic router through ADGuard which filters out virtually all ads via DNS blocking. I also have Skynet setup as an advanced firewall. The amount of blocked intrusion attempts and vulnerability scans coming in from overseas and domestic is insane. Both have been set and forget for me. There's tons of other features and packages that can be installed. I have a full filesystem and swap on my USB and it also serves as a fileserver. HDs can be hooked up and the router can serve as a plex server and run rtorrent/transmission. You can do pretty much anything you can do on a raspberry pi.

Adblocking and firewall customizations are really the most attractive features for flashing these days. The products now come with higher TX/RX power and there's not much gains to be had. The FCC has also enacted much stricter protections to stop people from using higher power or restricted channels. Previously it was easy to use restricted channels on hardware such as 2.4ghz channels 12, 13, and 14 which is illegal in the US. You may be able to unlock restricted channels on 5ghz now on the higher end and use 160mhz DFS channels at full power on certain hardware. This virtually eliminates wireless congestion because most other consumer hardware cannot do this.

Basically consumer routers used to suck ass. Flashing made them actually functional and was a necessity for some to unlock functionality that should have been included out of the box. The gains and features added via custom firmware have been dwindling over the years and many don't see it as worth it. Main features that are desired via router modifications are adblocking, firewalls, and VPN support. Adblocking is pretty awesome, as so much traffic is blocked from the start. According to Adguard I am blocking nearly 20% of my DNS traffic which is all trackers, ad servers, malicious URLs, smart device telemetry, and more. That alone is worth a great deal to me personally. Custom firmware also offers security updates even for products that are end of life or were never supported by the manufacturer to begin with.

Router custom firmware was also tied in with modem flashing. Many years ago you could pull configs to get business 100mbit+ internet on a cheap 10-15mbit residential cable connection. Used to do this years ago, but it is very much illegal. I had a modded surfboard modem which was achieving 150mbit in an area with terrible speeds available unless you forked over a small fortune for a business account.
 
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On older routers the transmit/receive power on the antennas was nerfed out of the box. I believe the Linksys WRT54GL came at 30mW and could go to 70-100mW. The router could be overclocked and many features could be added. Many of these routers used the exact same hardware as higher priced models but were capped by firmware. It was equivalent to getting root in an android phone years ago when it offered huge benefits.

Just like rooting android, many features that people wanted were added into stock firmware (at least partially) and the benefits have decreased over time. I feel as though Tomato and OpenWRT/DDWRT projects have suffered over time and drastically declined in popularity. Flashing routers can still unlock many features on certain manufacturer models.

I have my AX-68U flashed with Merlin. It is stock firmware with many handy tweaks and features added. I have access to a full root command line over SSH, have a package manager, and many customizations. I have all traffic router through ADGuard which filters out virtually all ads via DNS blocking. I also have Skynet setup as an advanced firewall. The amount of blocked intrusion attempts and vulnerability scans coming in from overseas and domestic is insane. Both have been set and forget for me. There's tons of other features and packages that can be installed. I have a full filesystem and swap on my USB and it also serves as a fileserver. HDs can be hooked up and the router can serve as a plex server and run rtorrent/transmission. You can do pretty much anything you can do on a raspberry pi.

Adblocking and firewall customizations are really the most attractive features for flashing these days. The products now come with higher TX/RX power and there's not much gains to be had. The FCC has also enacted much stricter protections to stop people from using higher power or restricted channels. Previously it was easy to use restricted channels on hardware such as 2.4ghz channels 12, 13, and 14 which is illegal in the US. You may be able to unlock restricted channels on 5ghz now on the higher end and use 160mhz DFS channels at full power on certain hardware. This virtually eliminates wireless congestion because most other consumer hardware cannot do this.

Basically consumer routers used to suck ass. Flashing made them actually functional and was a necessity for some to unlock functionality that should have been included out of the box. The gains and features added via custom firmware have been dwindling over the years and many don't see it as worth it. Main features that are desired via router modifications are adblocking, firewalls, and VPN support. Adblocking is pretty awesome, as so much traffic is blocked from the start. According to Adguard I am blocking nearly 20% of my DNS traffic which is all trackers, ad servers, malicious URLs, smart device telemetry, and more. That alone is worth a great deal to me personally. Custom firmware also offers security updates even for products that are end of life or were never supported by the manufacturer to begin with.

Router custom firmware was also tied in with modem flashing. Many years ago you could pull configs to get business 100mbit+ internet on a cheap 10-15mbit residential cable connection. Used to do this years ago, but it is very much illegal. I had a modded surfboard modem which was achieving 150mbit in an area with terrible speeds available unless you forked over a small fortune for a business account.
Never in a million years would I expect to be reading a post about overclocking a goddamn router but here I am.
 
I love mini ITX, but if it's a joy or torture depends on the case.

I bought a RX 580 (Saphire Nitro+) for about 130 euros and now belong to the population of graphics cards havers again. i actually lived quite well with the iGPU of my 4650 for a while now and wonder if buying a graphics card wasn't a mistake, but I'd like to play some more graphics intense games now and then again and although I cut the framerate to 30 by default the iGPU just wasn't quite cutting it. I was eying a GTX 1650 first, but I'm not a fan of nvidia, they sell for way too much around these parts (~200) and the low VRAM is just a bit too little. I didn't go with anything stronger or newer since I doubt my ITX could handle the thermals and I'm also really not interested in spending more money for something I might not be using much after all. I guess the price was ok, I doubt it's gonna get much cheaper than this. Hope I won't regret it.
 
Yeah, that sounds like static build up. Plugging in the printer probably makes it zap something somewhere and that's why you lose display. Sucks to be you, this shit can be a pain in the ass. If you figure out what causes it please post an update, it could help people in the future.
Checked grounding, it's fine everywhere. I doubt it could be the PSU, I changed it 1-2 years ago and it works fine under load. The solution to my startup problem is literally flipping the PSU power switch off when I turn the machine off, and flipping it on when I need to turn the machine on. I do have the old PSU somewhere around but I don't think I can spare the time to try with that one.
 
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Yeah, at this point I'm not really surprised that they're broken, if they're still shit when Arc launches in the west they're in deep trouble. It would create a nasty reputation that would take years to get rid of even if they sort everything out in a month or two.

Intel is in trouble for the simple reason that their 10nm process flat out cannot put enough transistors on a die to be competitive. This isn't a huge deal in consumer-grade CPUs, which have been outpacing consumer demands for years, but GPUs, server CPUs, and workstation CPUs are still being pushed to their limits.
 
All my parts finally arrived today. Is it normal to want to commit suicide during a PC build? Everything is going wrong :mad:
Depends, are you building it on the living room floor while doing the Gollum squat like you are supposed to?
Intel is in trouble for the simple reason that their 10nm process flat out cannot put enough transistors on a die to be competitive. This isn't a huge deal in consumer-grade CPUs, which have been outpacing consumer demands for years, but GPUs, server CPUs, and workstation CPUs are still being pushed to their limits.
TSMC is making their GPUs as far as I know. Even Intel knows their limits.
 
Depends, are you building it on the living room floor while doing the Gollum squat like you are supposed to?
No, I have a big office desk which helped. By some miracle I managed to put it all together and so far it has not exploded.
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It took a lot out of me though.
> Opening back panel of the case it swung open, looked like it was on a hinge so I let it go. It wasn't, it fell and left a massive mark on my monitor. Luckily it was just paint from the metal door which wiped off. Those Benq monitors are made of tough stuff I tell you what.
> Mobo refused to line up with the standoffs in the case, nothing like a bit of shitty manufacturing QC to ruin your day. At one point I took it off and thought one of the standoffs was missing...it wasn't, as I was unscrewing the screw it actually unscrewed the standoff underneath
> Case was way too cramped (you wouldn't think so because its actually massive) and getting the cables hooked in was a nightmare, had to take out case fans
> Finally get everything hooked up and then my nightmare began...it refused to post
> Skip ahead 2 hours of unplugging and re-plugging every component and cable
> At one point I took off the CPU fan and the CPU yanked out with it with the lever thing still clamped down. Guess AMD use super glue instead of thermal compound because I had to pry the CPU off with a screwdriver and it went flying across my desk. Luckily none of the pins got bent.
> I almost gave up and then realised I didn't try to take out the M.2 drive. The fucking thing posted. Nothing wrong with the drive either, the mobo just needed to boot once without a drive attached because...reasons?
> Almost done, dropped the fucking glass panel on my desk and left a dent in it. FFS.

Now trying to decide what to do with my old PC, thought about cannibalising the parts for a HTPC but everything is super expensive and I can get one of those SFF Dell Optiplex machines with an 1150 socket for like £40 and slap my 4790 in it and a small GPU. I think I'll do that. My little Ryzen 2200 machine is a pretty capable living room PC but it will be nice to have something with a bit more power for gaming.
 
No, I have a big office desk which helped. By some miracle I managed to put it all together and so far it has not exploded.
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It took a lot out of me though.
> Opening back panel of the case it swung open, looked like it was on a hinge so I let it go. It wasn't, it fell and left a massive mark on my monitor. Luckily it was just paint from the metal door which wiped off. Those Benq monitors are made of tough stuff I tell you what.
> Mobo refused to line up with the standoffs in the case, nothing like a bit of shitty manufacturing QC to ruin your day. At one point I took it off and thought one of the standoffs was missing...it wasn't, as I was unscrewing the screw it actually unscrewed the standoff underneath
> Case was way too cramped (you wouldn't think so because its actually massive) and getting the cables hooked in was a nightmare, had to take out case fans
> Finally get everything hooked up and then my nightmare began...it refused to post
> Skip ahead 2 hours of unplugging and re-plugging every component and cable
> At one point I took off the CPU fan and the CPU yanked out with it with the lever thing still clamped down. Guess AMD use super glue instead of thermal compound because I had to pry the CPU off with a screwdriver and it went flying across my desk. Luckily none of the pins got bent.
> I almost gave up and then realised I didn't try to take out the M.2 drive. The fucking thing posted. Nothing wrong with the drive either, the mobo just needed to boot once without a drive attached because...reasons?
> Almost done, dropped the fucking glass panel on my desk and left a dent in it. FFS.

Now trying to decide what to do with my old PC, thought about cannibalising the parts for a HTPC but everything is super expensive and I can get one of those SFF Dell Optiplex machines with an 1150 socket for like £40 and slap my 4790 in it and a small GPU. I think I'll do that. My little Ryzen 2200 machine is a pretty capable living room PC but it will be nice to have something with a bit more power for gaming.
what software are you using to get info on your cpu and gpu?
 
No, I have a big office desk which helped. By some miracle I managed to put it all together and so far it has not exploded.
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It took a lot out of me though.
> Opening back panel of the case it swung open, looked like it was on a hinge so I let it go. It wasn't, it fell and left a massive mark on my monitor. Luckily it was just paint from the metal door which wiped off. Those Benq monitors are made of tough stuff I tell you what.
> Mobo refused to line up with the standoffs in the case, nothing like a bit of shitty manufacturing QC to ruin your day. At one point I took it off and thought one of the standoffs was missing...it wasn't, as I was unscrewing the screw it actually unscrewed the standoff underneath
> Case was way too cramped (you wouldn't think so because its actually massive) and getting the cables hooked in was a nightmare, had to take out case fans
> Finally get everything hooked up and then my nightmare began...it refused to post
> Skip ahead 2 hours of unplugging and re-plugging every component and cable
> At one point I took off the CPU fan and the CPU yanked out with it with the lever thing still clamped down. Guess AMD use super glue instead of thermal compound because I had to pry the CPU off with a screwdriver and it went flying across my desk. Luckily none of the pins got bent.
> I almost gave up and then realised I didn't try to take out the M.2 drive. The fucking thing posted. Nothing wrong with the drive either, the mobo just needed to boot once without a drive attached because...reasons?
> Almost done, dropped the fucking glass panel on my desk and left a dent in it. FFS.

Now trying to decide what to do with my old PC, thought about cannibalising the parts for a HTPC but everything is super expensive and I can get one of those SFF Dell Optiplex machines with an 1150 socket for like £40 and slap my 4790 in it and a small GPU. I think I'll do that. My little Ryzen 2200 machine is a pretty capable living room PC but it will be nice to have something with a bit more power for gaming.
You selected an XMP profile in the BIOS right? It looks like you're running at DDR4-2400 right now and not 3200.

It's really weird that it wouldn't boot with NVME in, probably just a conflict. My(and probably many others) rule of thumb is to just boot with one drive(intended system drive) the first time.

Cursed comment: What Benq did you get? I know Benq used a lot of MVA panels and for gaming... Don't let it keep you up at night.
 
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You selected an XMP profile in the BIOS right? It looks like you're running at DDR4-2400 right now and not 3200.

It's really weird that it wouldn't boot with NVME in, probably just a conflict. My(and probably many others) rule of thumb is to just boot with one drive(intended system drive) the first time.

Cursed comment: What Benq did you get? I know Benq used a lot of MVA panels and for gaming... Don't let it keep you up at night.
I haven't messed around in BIOS yet, I'll need to do that.

The monitor is a GL2250, its a very old 1080p, I'm not even sure what kind of panel it has, probably trash by modern standards.
 
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I haven't messed around in BIOS yet, I'll need to do that.

The monitor is a GL2250, its a very old 1080p, I'm not even sure what kind of panel it has, probably trash by modern standards.
Ah, I was just teasing with the monitor bit. If you get it into someones head that if they look closely at their new monitor they will see... Drives people nuts.

The XMP thing is super easy to do, there's pre-configured memory profiles on the sticks, so just choose "XMP1"(probably called that) in the BIOS and now the RAM is running at the advertised speed with the advertised timings. You want the 3200 profile because that's what you bought.
 
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https://www.hwinfo.com/

I used to use speccy but people started shouting at me on the internet about speccy being bad or whatever.
Speccy got brought out by norton or something, it also had a history of completely fucking up reading AMD temps at times.
EDIT: Yeah as smaug said go to bios and set XMP, modern CPUs love their ram running at good speeds and you can lose a lot of performance from not having your ram running at it's max.
 
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