Aug 9 2022 - Continuance on Grand Jury, defense filed motion for autism disorder deferred disposition

[Ass Johnson]

That only says that you can request a case be sealed if you were found not guilty. It says nothing about a judge's authority to seal ongoing cases.

The gold standard is to watch VINE for custody changes if the docket stops updating.

 

[themarchivist2]

That only says that you can request a case be sealed if you were found not guilty. It says nothing about a judge's authority to seal ongoing cases.

Looking into info on this right now. I'll update with the details.

 

[McNuttzInYoFace]

In Virginia until July 1, 2025, cases can only be expunged or sealed after a case has been dismissed, dropped, or found not guilty. Until then, the law is not in effect.
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This can only mean one thing - Chris is OUT.

Wouldn't this mean he's not out yet because that law isn't in effect until July 1st, 2025?

Or am I just retarded?

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

In Virginia until July 1, 2025, cases can only be expunged or sealed after a case has been dismissed, dropped, or found not guilty. Until then, the law is not in effect.
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This can only mean one thing - Chris is OUT.

It's standard procedure for cases in Juvenile & Domestic Relations court to be sealed. They are almost never accessible to the public for obvious safety reasons similar to other cases like this in regular court.

We will likely never see any of the documents in this case, at least as long as Barbara is still alive. I don't know how it works if the victim is deceased. However JD&R may be in perpetuity.

 

[themarchivist2]

Wouldn't this mean he's not out yet because that law isn't in effect until July 1st, 2025?

Or am I just retarded?

I'm looking for info on whether a judge can expunge cases without request. If a judge can't do this, then that means the case could only be sealed/expunged if Chris is out and the case is closed. The law that goes into effect in 2025 will allow for more opportunities for expungement, but right now there are none as far as I can tell.

 

[Kenyer]

In Virginia until July 1, 2025, cases can only be expunged or sealed after a case has been dismissed, dropped, or found not guilty. Until then, the law is not in effect.
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This can only mean one thing - Chris is OUT.

Why would a continuance have happened today if the case was over and Chris was free? Am I misunderstanding something?

 

[themarchivist2]

According to VALegalAid.org, these are the ONLY circumstances in which a case can be expunged, prematurely or otherwise, regardless of judge's orders, until the new law goes into effect:

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There is no exception that would allow Chris's case to be expunged after it's made public. While J&DR cases are typically sealed to begin with, once they're unsealed and the maximum sentence for a misdemeanor is surpassed, they typically can't be resealed.

There is no legal difference between sealing and expungement in Virginia. Articles I'm finding are pretty universally using them interchangeably, and some specify there's effectively no difference.

As far as I can tell, there is no other explanation other than Chris being out.

Why would a continuance have happened today if the case was over and Chris was free? Am I misunderstanding something?

Continuance was yesterday, for the Grand Jury, because Heilberg motioned for the disposition and it couldn't be heard until today.

 

[King Kiwi]

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Is this a shirt I can actually buy?

 

[Black Yoshi]

I wish it was.

Cope harder

 

[A-№1]

Oh noes! Another continuance!!!??!!

I'm not sure what else people expected from a pre-trial hearing.

I'm a little surprised the court bothered with the grand jury when they were planning on a deferred disposition. Then again, maybe Consolvo pushed for the grand jury and Heilberg is requesting the deferment.

They don't get to go to deliberation, but up until that point they're just like any other juror.

That's my point. Alternates have to sit there and pay attention to all the proceedings just like any other juror, but when it's finally time to deliberate and get shit done, it's all "thank you for your service" and you're dismissed. There's no closure. It's like being a designated driver fifth wheel on a double date: you have to listen to all the stupid banter and flirting all night, pay for a meal you don't actually want, and in the end you go home alone

Looks like the prosecution simply didn't present to the grand jury while they dealt with Heilberg's request, though it's possible the grand jury did something unusual and asked for more information.

It could also be that they didn't bother because Chris is going to waive indictment.

Chris was at the end of the schedule, and it looked like there were some heavy cases ahead of him. It's possible the grand jury simply didn't get to him yesterday, and with this motion for deferral today, there's no point.

In other words, it's a last minute tard card plea deal, with Chris getting probation subject to the terms set by the court. Those terms are what matter now. Assuming the court agrees¹ and doesn't just say, "fuck this guy anyways," and kick him back to the grand jury.

If the court does agree to a deferred disposition, then it will all come down to whether or not they're willing to enforce the terms of the probation once Chris inevitably fucks it up.

So could heilberg make this argument like 8 months ago or immediately after the mental hospital?

Maybe he's spent that time trying to get Chris to agree to it the terms of probation. Or maybe they've had no luck finding a tard home willing to take on Chris as part of the court's terms of probation. From Chris' letters he was assuming he'll be back at his sonichu temple as recently as August 2nd.

My bet is Chris is going to a group home and they're holding him in jail/mental home until that happens.

A tard home, not a group home. There is a difference.

IF the motion is successful, Chris won't be 'convicted'

Until he fucks up the terms of his probation, at which point he will be 'convicted' (assuming the court bothers to enforce the terms).

Hopefully he gets an ankle monitor so it doesn't come to that.

Unless it has a shock function all it will do is let the police know he's there. The neighbors will already be doing that.

Checked Twitter and they’ve all decided he’s going to be let free bc of the ‘tism

Don't they realize that "set free" means "sent to a homeless shelter"?

if he gets autism probation, the first thing he’s going to do is return to the hoard, violate the order, and get sent to prison.

And Heilberg will be able to say he did his best, successfully defended Chris, and it's not his fault the sperg fucked things up after.

I think it would be more likely Cole gets prison time for smothering Barb with a pillow.

Why would he? All Cole has to do is wait.

Do you law talkin kiwis see any concern about this setting any damaging legal precedence should this strategy somehow work?

What do you mean by "work"? A deferred disposition isn't the court letting Chris get off scot free. It's the court saying: "We don't want to deal with your tard ass in prison, so we're going to make you someone else's problem instead. At least until you fuck that up."

"Someone else" in this case could well be far worse than prison.

It feels like a more distant, innocent time where you once joked about Chris becoming homeless

Who was joking?

Rocky simped for chris too didnt matter what shit he did , plemty of retards like her

But what has she done for Chris lately?

Eventually Chris burns all his bridges. The problem is weens keep building him shitty new bridges.

So, what you're sayin' is that if autism were an abyss, Chris would closer to the bottom than the top.

That abyss has no bottom.

Nah, the law in VA prevents them from just releasing Chris into homelessness.

Not immediately. At the bare minimum they can release him into a homeless shelter and give him the number of a social worker to call. And they only have to attempt that for 30 days.

Considering His letters, is it possible that He will go to murder Barb as soon as He gets out?

If she's with Tom and Harriet, it would be a hell of a long waddle getting there. I wonder how many repetitions of The American Rabbit it would take?

I would think that autism would be mentioned as a mitigation at the penalty phase,

Deferred disposition is like skipping ahead to the penalty phase.

According to a comment on Twitter with audio calling the court, the judge has sealed the files related to this case.

I wouldn't be surprised. If it's a deferred disposition based on a medical diagnosis of 'tism, then it could all be protected by HIPAA anyways.

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¹ It probably will. Anything to stop dealing with Chris.

 

[Black Yoshi]

there is no other explanation other than Chris being out.

This is you

 

[King Kiwi]

Unfortunately it appears you're reading it just fine. The tard literally might fucking skate.

GOD DAMNIT I WANT MY TARD TRIAL. FUCK THIS GAY EARTH.

It's almost like I called it or something.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

That's my point. Alternates have to sit there and pay attention to all the proceedings just like any other juror, but when it's finally time to deliberate and get shit done, it's all "thank you for your service" and you're dismissed. There's no closure. It's like being a designated driver fifth wheel on a double date: you have to listen to all the stupid banter and flirting all night, pay for a meal you don't actually want, and in the end you go home alone

I can't speak to all jurisdictions, but at least in my case where I was an alternate I received a phone call from the court notifying me when the case ran to its exciting conclusion of a hung jury. So there was "closure" in that sense, but not in the sense of being able to go into the deliberation room and scream "HANG THAT NIGGA NOW".

 

[A Grey Cat]

The worker sounds so depressed kinda feel bad for them

she had a bit of a laugh when the guy asked how many calls about this case they're receiving.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

So the 1:30 PM motion today was to have everything sealed? Smart move by the Defense.

 

[Count Olaf]

In Virginia until July 1, 2025, cases can only be expunged or sealed after a case has been dismissed, dropped, or found not guilty. Until then, the law is not in effect.
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This can only mean one thing - Chris is OUT.

If he was out wouldn't he already be bragging about it on twitter or facebook or whatever he uses? I'm sure it would be his first inclination upon getting out, after all you know his ego wouldn't let him stay quiet. Unless of course he doesn't have a phone on him. But I haven't seen anything from him on any of his old social media haunts so...I don't know.

 

[A New Kiwi]

I can't quote A-No1's's post for some reason, but I think Sperg means that an ankle monitor would possibly deter Chris from returning home. He might be dumb and push his luck constantly, but I think even he might avoid returning home if he knows that he's being tracked and that there would be a zero percent chance of getting away with violating his probation.

 

[A Grey Cat]

If he was out wouldn't he already be bragging about it on twitter or facebook or whatever he uses? I'm sure it would be his first inclination upon getting out, after all you know his ego wouldn't let him stay quiet. Unless of course he doesn't have a phone on him. But I haven't seen anything from him on any of his old social media haunts so...I don't know.

If his phone was given back to him upon release it would most likely be dead without any service. Chris would have to find the nearest starbucks or mcdonalds and plug in and use their wifi to let us know he's out. This is the most likely scenario once he eventually does get out.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Autism - Is there anything it can’t get Chris out of?

Perishing in a global thermonuclear war?

To be fair, I think an autistic character would be an interesting RP choice for a post-apocalyptic game.

Unfortunately it appears you're reading it just fine. The tard literally might fucking skate.

GOD DAMNIT I WANT MY TARD TRIAL. FUCK THIS GAY EARTH.

Well it turns out he might just end up dodging more bullets than Neo after all.

It varies state-by-state of course. In Virginia, there are multiple "strike" statutes. The normal three strikes one covers violent felonies (with a mandatory life sentence). There's a two strikes one for lower-level sex felonies (with the punishment being the max sentence, but not life), and another one for major sex felonies (with the punishment being life).

All of them are for felonies.

Some three strikes laws have been far less discerning. California used to have one of the stupidest ones in the country. After two violent felonies, your third strike could be something stupid like shoplifting. They have since fixed it but for a while there were people who were sent away for life for stealing DVDs.

EDIT: Incidentally, felony incest is not a strike in Virginia unless it's with your child or grandchild, so Chris doesn't get a strike. (Oddly, felony oral/anal with your mother IS a strike, but Chris isn't charged with that.)

While it's stupid to send people away for 20 to life over theft it's pretty apparent by that point that the persons in question simply cannot follow the fucking rules.

Probably Kamala Harris's handiwork though, considering how much she loves to jail people for minor or nonexistent crimes.

 

[SquirtingYawn]

Chris will totally fuck a black woman. He just won't bear children with one. His attraction sign requirements were always for family/marriage, not getting his dick wet.

Also at this point Chris has shown that he's willing to fuck pretty much any woman.

"The one in the middle is half-n-half!"