Aug 11 2022 - Case updated with "Waive right to indictment" and "transportation order" - Review scheduled for next year

[Cherenkovblue]

Is Chris getting better

Worse: He's getting Chris-er.

 

[King Metalia]

Bob deserves the same amount of blame barb does he barely tried to help chris in his youth and only tried to help when it was to late he barely talked to his other kids and they wanted nothing to do with him and he claimed he has ties to the KKK

Your not wrong. I guess most people view Bob as the lesser of two evils. If you believe in that kind of thing.

 

[TayandYou]

I do find it funny though how his ideal sweetheart no matter how old he gets is still stipulated as 18 .

FYI I'm pretty sure he raised the minimum age to 23 or something like that a few years back when he was still seeking a sweetheart, before the polyamorous marriage.

Found it: https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Attraction_Sign#OkCupid_and_the_Sign_in_2014

 

[King Kiwi]

Is Chris getting better

No, but weens aren't getting wetter.

 

[Funeral for a Furry]

I would imagine that Chris if he is in a managed environment is in more danger now than when he was in prison as other inmates have to interact with him.
How long do any of you think you could share a room with him?

 

[Lancelot]

No, but weens aren't getting wetter.

and chris is getting laaaaargerrrr

 

[GwynLordOfDrip]

Could they use the austism defense to keep Chris in jail instead of sending him to prison? Say he pleads to 2 years. One year served. Instead of moving his ass to prison just keep him in jail where they dont have to worry about him getting raped/shanked/beaten up etc.

Jail is a temporary holding facility until you get sentenced or released. If they sentence him to 2 years, he would have one year served and he would have to finish the remainder year in prison, probation, etc.

Also jails still have violence, sometimes even more severe because you have inmates angry due to court not going their way or waiting too long for their trial. He isn't safe in either of the facilities unless you constantly kept in protective custody.

 

[A-№1]

Is Chris getting better

We aren't even close to Peak Chris.

 

[TayandYou]

We aren't even close to Peak Chris.

That's what I've been saying. I don't know why people are convinced that this is the final saga or some bullshit. If anything, this is the start of a whole new chapter of Christory. Now that he's fully rejected by mainstream society, if he ever goes online again he has no choice but to go full tooter and spend his days arguing with weens and a-logs as they are the only people that will bother to talk to him. In fact, a homeless/prison saga would actually mean less milk in the future and be quite boring in comparison.

 

[Hassa_Bussa]

That's what I've been saying. I don't know why people are convinced that this is the final saga or some bullshit. If anything, this is the start of a whole new chapter of Christory. Now that he's fully rejected by mainstream society, if he ever goes online again he has no choice but to go full tooter and spend his days arguing with weens and a-logs as they are the only people that will bother to talk to him. In fact, a homeless/prison saga would actually mean less milk in the future and be quite boring in comparison.

Because he's a lolcow he's probably gonna outlive fucking all of us.

 

[King Kiwi]

Because he's a lolcow he's probably gonna outlive fucking all of us.

Oh damn it you know he's immortal.

That fat ass will live forever.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

It's an important detail that Chris is still in custody with the transportation order in effect. That leads me to believe that wherever he is going, they are waiting for a bed to become available.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Your not wrong. I guess most people view Bob as the lesser of two evils. If you believe in that kind of thing.

Bob also comes off as much more sympathetic in the sense he tried the most to be a parent to Chris. While most of it just ended up making things worse (fighting the school to keep him out of Tarducation, instilling “old timey values” in Chris etc) he did do things like the Dreaming Studio and the letters he wrote to Chris. He chaperoned Chris on a couple of dates etc.

Bob truly hoped to redeem himself for his shitty past relationships by being a good father to Chris until he just grew too fucking old to keep up with it. Meanwhile, what the fuck has Barb ever done to parent Chris other than the creepy emotional incest stuff?

 

[RodgerDodger]

It's an important detail that Chris is still in custody with the transportation order in effect. That leads me to believe that wherever he is going, they are waiting for a bed to become available.

It may have simply been that they took him to the courthouse and back. There has been no indication of "Transferred" in th esystem. Which is what we saw last time he went to the Nut Hut. And they aren't going to simply cut an open order to transport in the system with no destination. He's still in custody. he has not transferred facilities. Heck the Transport order may have simply been something like a Medical or Psyche follow up done off site.

 

[Ophelia]

Bob also comes off as much more sympathetic in the sense he tried the most to be a parent to Chris.

Another factor is he’s dead. There will be people looking at Barb through rose(chu)-colored glasses once she goes off to the big hoard in the sky as well.

 

[Your Favorite New Friend]

On a related note Chris burns through YOUR tax dollar in or out of jail, during a recession. Chris is on some sort of lifeline to the day he
And I see Americans who can barely pay their rent.

Someone who produces nothing will always essentially steal their entire income from someone else. It's just a question of who they're taking from. Chris is incapable of producing anything of value (except perhaps novelty value and even then only sporadically) and his parents no longer provide for him, so it has to come from society at large.

I guess I don't mind the very tiny fraction of my taxes that pay for the tugboat since his antics can be entertaining, but if he died in a really horrific way that would be entertaining, too.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Another factor is he’s dead. There will be people looking at Barb through rose(chu)-colored glasses once she goes off to the big hoard in the sky as well.

Especially with how fucked the circumstances of his death were. What a way to go, truly…!

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I assumed differed disposition would keep him out of jail, but not take away the registration requirement. Circumventing the registry seems wrong, especially considering they are differing his prison sentence, I'm not a huge fan of the registry in concept, but not actually sending someone away and letting them skate off the list is the opposite of what the registry is for.

It's not circumventing the registry. Either you're convicted of something that requires registration, or you aren't.

The idea of the deferral is that the crime was at least partially a result of unmanaged mental illness. The likely remedy is to put him in a tard home to show that, if managed, he will not repeat such a crime. Should he succeed, then they will drop the charges on the grounds that, despite the facts showing guilt, he should not be convicted because the crime would not have happened if he had not been a tard. There will be no conviction.

And I think that's not an unfair assessment. Would non-retarded Chris have had sex with Barb? I'd wager almost certainly not. Would you not agree that you'd pretty much *have* to be mentally ill to do what Chris did? There are many, many people with poor moral compasses who commit many, many crimes, and they still don't fuck their 80 year old mothers.

In fact it's so rare that *almost all* searches for people sexually assaulting/raping their elderly mothers only returns Chris Chan. When you explicitly exclude "Chris" or "Chandler" or "Sonichu" from the search terms, the results magically melt away. The only other case I could find in North America was a man in Peterborough, Ontario in 1992, who claimed that the spirit of his dead father wanted him to do it.

There was one case in Malaysia, and a few in retards in (surprise) Africa (like in Kenya and South Africa. The one in South Africa explicitly points out that the man was retarded, with an IQ of 51).

I know a lot of people think Chris is a run-of-the-mill tard. "Oh, there's many people that retarded." This is not true. Chris is an incredibly rare specimen. A perfect storm of autism and mental disability that leaves him functional enough to accomplish some things, but to also do things that not even other tards would do. He's also the only one I could find that was so retarded that he bragged about it.

Chris seems to be unique -- the ONLY person on the entire planet -- in possessing these four characteristics together:

1) Willing to fuck the elderly, without being elderly themselves (rare)
2) Wiling to fuck the mentally handicapped (also rare, and while not everyone agrees that Barb was senile to the point of being incapacitated, she was definitely not all there either)
3) Willing to fuck their mother (*very* rare)
4) Feeling compelled to brag about it.

Even without the bragging, it still puts Chris in an elite club of people, all of whom seem to be retards, that you can count on one hand. While there are probably some more cases that are just never discovered, it can't be too many.

With the bragging, that person is guaranteed to be arrested, and I can't find a single one other than Chris who was arrested because they bragged about it.

It takes a very particular sort of retard to do this, so yeah, I'm okay saying that Chris being a retard was a major component in what happened, in that if he were not a retard, it would never have occurred. Nobody's saying that being a retard *compelled* him to do it, but the law allowing the deferral also states that simply being a major component is enough.

By Sonichu defense I didn't mean insanity plea, sorry for that, I meant "my client is autistic and can't be put into prison". Thanks for other insights though.

No, no, I understand what you meant. I meant that this tard defense could henceforth be called the "Sonichu Defense", as opposed to an insanity defense.

The question i have, as someone who's been on deferment once, is his completion in exchange for a lighter sentence, or will all charges be dropped upon completion? We wont know until he does, but there is the possibility that he technically walks away, completely off the hook, by just doing what he's told.

Yes, deferred disposition allows for all charges to be dropped, or the original charge to be replaced with a lesser charge (provided that the evidence required overlaps). For instance, if he completes his probation, they might still convict him, but lower it to a misdemeanor on subsection (B), or change the charge to subsection (A) (a misdemeanor that applies to having sex with anyone you're forbidden to marry).

I can't find any other charges that could be proven with the same evidence, so that's probably it. They can't amend the charges to something that requires different evidence, as we're already past the determination of guilt stage, so it's either one of those two, or charges entirely dropped.

I suppose Chris in his plea could have explicitly agreed to some extra evidence that would allow another charge, or they could start up an entirely new charge that Chris could plead guilty to at his review, but I don't know if there's any quirk in Virginia that would make it possible. Prosecutors and judges have lots of latitude in amending the charges *before* determination of guilt, but deferred disposition is a special case.

If it's SOR how long do y'all think until he violates it?

If he's a Tier 1 offender, it will actually be difficult for him to violate it. When I initially wrote the FAQ, I made a huge inexcusable mistake and didn't read into the subsections requiring registration well enough to notice that most of the Tier 1 restrictions only apply if the victim is a minor. This was pointed out to me by @3-2-1836 . I have since corrected the FAQ.

It's unlikely that he'll be on the SOR though. The condition to be a Tier 1 offender for incest is that Barb would have to have been incapacitated. This condition would ALSO be grounds for a rape charge (which would be Tier 3), and that has not happened.

If he does wind up a Tier 1 offender, though, he's fine as long as he makes his yearly report and does not try to work as an Uber/Lyft driver. The latter requires Chris wanting to work, so the only risk is him being a tard and forgetting to go register.

If he does get a rape conviction, then there's a lot more Tier 3 restrictions. He's not going to try to be a licensed taxi driver. As long as he doesn't try to go into schools or talk to children on public property he's okay, but he could fuck up by going to someplace that a school has exclusive use of for an event, since that's effectively a school.

So for instance if he goes to a Chuck E. Cheese and a school class walks in, he's fine, but if the class rents out a party room at the Chuck E. Cheese, and he goes in that room, he gets in trouble.

tl;dr Tier 1 registration if you didn't touch kids has almost no restrictions other than staying registered.

Tier 3 w/rape by incapacitation, if you didn't touch kids, has a bunch of restrictions, but they're not too bad if you don't try to talk to kids at the park or go into school-related events/places.

Of course while Chris is on probation there's probably a ton of extra restrictions, but since he didn't touch kids (quite the opposite) they might not bother putting many kid-related ones in them.

This is very relevant and while Farmers are free to igore this, the courts can't: Could he have made up the Barbcest full cloth? Yes, by all means yes! The only indication - but that is just a hunch, and only really apparent to farmers, CWCwikians, EDiots and 4chan oldfags, not the courts - is that the Barbcest narrative was to a conspicuously larger extent than his usual flights of fancy tied to the world as people unlike Chris perceive it.

It goes even further than that. Whether or not a confession is credible is still not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime. Even a confession from a completely sane, mentally stable person is not enough.

The credibility of a confession only comes into play in assigning guilt to a crime that has been proven. For instance, if I confessed to shooting JFK, that would not be credible as I wasn't even alive then, even though the fact that the crime happened has definitely been proven.

Chris' case is the opposite situation. If the crime is proven to have happened, then the confession is absolutely credible, given the dubious possibility of there being another culprit.

That we're still talking about this a year later indicates that they have credible evidence of the crime. A confession alone is enough for an arrest, and tenuous, shoddy evidence combined with a confession is enough for a charge (depending on the judge), but if the prosecution could not find decent evidence quickly, any half competent defense attorney would have forced the charges dropped, dismissed, or taken to trial long ago.

So: The whole trial being so obfuscated seems to me - correct me, @Pointless Sperg, if I am mistaken - mostly, almost exclusively even, to be due to the question of Chis' legal sanity refusing to be resolved in a fashion that satifies the word of the law.

Heilberg's motion is not about Chris' legal sanity. Chris knows what he did, and he knows that it was illegal/wrong. In the eyes of the law, he is sane.

Legal insanity would result in an acquittal, but also at the same time be evidence of incapacitation and thus commitment to a mental facility.

Chris' defense in this case revolves instead around whether his mental illness was the cause or had a direct and substantial relationship to it.

His illness did not compel him to commit the crime, so it was not the cause, but if the crime was committed in relationship to his condition (i.e. would the crime have happened if he were not mentally ill?), he is eligible for less harsh treatment.

Unlike insanity this is *not* an acquittal, there is no verdict of "not guilty", rather the charges are modified or dropped. If the charges were dropped, Chris would not be guilty, but he would NOT be not guilty.

But it cannot, with the evidence at hand, reliably determine if Chris, at the time when he (she?) could have raped Barb, was more High-Functioning (and did it), or more Autist (and merely made it into the most notoriously depraved piece of fanfic outside Japanese pedo slasher snuff).

There's no distinction between "high-functioning" and "low-functioning" autism in the statute. It merely asks if his documented autism (or other mental illnesses) were substantially related to the crime.

The statute is actually meant more for high(ish)-functioning autists. Low-functioning autists would instead pursue an insanity defense, because a complete mute, drooling retard does not understand what they are doing or that it is illegal/wrong. Low-functioning autists would probably not be charged in the first place.

So they give him a year in which they'll observe his habits, assigning some trained professional (tard-wrangler/life-assistant) to Chris to make sure that this experiment is terminated at the first indication that what happened was not SHE CAME FOR CWC version 2.0.

Again, if all they had was a confession, Heilberg would have already ripped the prosecution a new butthole. This is nothing like shecameforcwc.jpg

Fiona is an attention whore with fucked up kinks that wanted to fuck Chris Chan, became an internet laughingstock, and came back to do an AMA.

I wouldn't call her Chris Chan levels of retarded, but I wouldn't call her self aware or cool either and I really hope you aren't saying this out of thirst.

There will always be thirst for people like Fiona. She gives hope to spergs everywhere that there is someone who will like them for themselves rather than the carefully crafted performance they put on to hide their autism.

Normally even autist girls like Fiona don't find autists attractive.

I'm not a virgin with rage because I learned how to behave more like a normie, something Chris couldn't do, but I can see the appeal of someone like Fiona, where you can just be yourself instead of having to constantly police your own presentation.

Unless being yourself means fucking your mom, even the Fionas of the world have limits.

That he is housebroken should not distract

Chris regularly shits himself. He is not housebroken.

Not to mention Bob's central role in fomenting the Greene County Conspiracy, a delusional belief which trickled down to Chris with negative results.

I've always felt that the Greene County Conspiracy was something blown out of proportion by Chris because of something Bob or Barb said, or possibly it could be one of Barb's delusions.

Bob's major problem was that the school district wanted to send Chris to sped school, and refused to mainstream Chris, and that was 100% true. The part about them wanting to not have Chris in mainstream school to the point of wanting the Chandlers to leave Ruckersville is quite possibly also true.

The part about paying a realtor $9000 to somehow prevent the Chandlers from selling their house? Maybe I'm a retard and I just haven't seen it, but where is the proof that Bob genuinely believed this?

Chris' account of the Greene County Conspiracy, where they wanted to run the Chandlers out of town while simultaneously forcing them to stay in their house by preventing its sale is way too batshit for Bob to believe, at least not in the way Chris understands it.

More likely it was two entirely separate issues that Chris not only did not understand, but somehow conflated into the conspiracy.

If he felt he could get away with it Chris absolutely would do someone underage. I dont think he is obsessed about such things or camped outside highschools.

I don't think that Chris would do anything with someone who couldn't pass for a young-looking person over the age of majority.

His behavior with the Teen Troon Squad was evidence enough about the reports from the under aged people that Chris was "rapey"and handsy with those folks.

The one doxxed TTS member who made those claims was definitely not underage. The others might have been, but if so, only by a matter of days.

Bolded is not true. The deferral statute says a plea must be entered but it can be guilty OR not guilty. Again bolded by me:

upon a plea of guilty, or after a plea of not guilty, and the facts found by the court would justify a finding of guilt, the court may, if the defendant has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist with (i) an autism spectrum disorder as defined in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders published by the American Psychiatric Association or (ii) an intellectual disability as defined in § 37.2-100 and the court finds by clear and convincing evidence that the criminal conduct was caused by or had a direct and substantial relationship to the person's disorder or disability, without entering a judgment of guilt and with the consent of the accused, after giving due consideration to the position of the attorney for the Commonwealth and the views of the victim, defer further proceedings and place the accused on probation subject to terms and conditions set by the court.

The way I read this is that, if Chris pleads not guilty, they conduct what amounts to a bench trial, and can still do the deferred disposition. The only way to justify a finding of guilt is a trial. It makes me wonder if they did this after a not guilty plea, and Chris messed up his probation, that Chris could demand a de novo trial.

This is just my retarded musings.

Will Chris get to keep his phone if he’s in a group home? (Sorry if it’s already been answered) I have no idea what some group homes are like, other than stuff like shared computers, but for some, they might have a phone to keep in touch with relatives if there’s things such as restricted visiting due to covid

Again, it depends entirely on the rules of the home. There is no set standard, each home is different.

As long as he doesn’t get the insane idea of using his tugboat to rent a small office space to play with his toys and games during the day before returning to the group home at night

His tugboat will likely go toward paying for his care, and there won't be much, if any, left over.

I agree on the first point.
That's part of my reasoning for not caring about most of this shit. I don't see Chris being at especially high risk of sexual reoffence. He'll be a public menace for probably his entire life, but in terms of felony-level behavior I doubt it. He's too much of a coward and his behavior is mostly reactionary.

Chris isn't as much of a public menace as people think he is. He's just a unique menace. There are many, many rednecks and basketball americans in Greene County and its surroundings with far more frequent and more violent violations. Chris' rap sheet, even counting the dropped charges in some cases, is pretty short.

He's not even the worst Christine Chandler in Virginia. There's a couple more with far, far more offenses.

He's just the *weirdest* Christine Chandler, and as far as Greene County was concerned he was just the village idiot until he fucked his mom.

He's always been pretty unique, but not to a non-online observer.

until the cops shoot him down for threatening them with an Optimus Prime.

Megatron. Although now that I think about it, I could see the cops magically mistaking a semi truck for a gun.

Chris is incapable of producing anything of value (except perhaps novelty value and even then only sporadically)

He definitely produces entertainment value. Value that people are willing to pay for. He could actually make a fair amount of money on it if he knew how to market it. Mostly though he just produces it for free. The minute people try to pay him to do something, it turns into work and he doesn't want to do it.

If he cut down on the free content, then just did what he normally does for paying people, he wouldn't be wealthy but he could have a decent income.

The problem is that even if he were smart enough to figure this out, the tugboat is far more reliable than weens, so I can't really fault him for keeping the tugboat.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Caveat: what Chris thinks "to think something is hot" is, and what almost everyone else thinks it is, are not the same thing.
It's a bit horny inceldom but probably more that addled concept of "True Love" mixed with autistic hate of injustice. Chris knows incest is NOT OK on a rational, book-knowledge level, but emotionally, True Love conquers all.

Barb's spooning thing prevented Chris from ever figuring that he was doing this very "incest" thing which he knew to be verboten. It felt good. If it feels good, and is consensual, why is it not OK?
If more complicated moral philosophy or scientific argument are beyond one's grasp, it is a foregone conclusion that one will, to themselves, be able to justify their own incest should it occur. It would, at that basic level of thinking, not be logical to not do it.

If Chris is selective enough to not fuck fatties or blacks, he’s got enough knowledge to know his mom is not a good gf choice


Edit to not double post
Not law fag, afaik whether one is mentally capable of assisting in once own défense is the criterion for whether one is capable to stand trial at this step, not the insanity plea/diminished responsibility at trial where the jury will decide if you’re too retarded or crazy to realize what you were doing was wrong. The first standard is way easier to meet than the second one, and if they think you are unable to stand trial they’ll send you to a tard home until you are able to stand trial. You don’t really want to be deemed unable to stand trial because you’ll stay in the tard house indefinitely and then you’ll still need to face trial when they think you are well eenough. (I think depends on the maximum possible sentence for you crime) For example a psychotic guy bashed someone’s head in when he’s psychotic, they’ll have to hold him until his competency is restored to try him. If he’s actually too psychotic to be cured that’ll be a life sentence. Then if his competency is restored, during the trial his lawyer can tell the jury how when he did it he was psychotic and they’ll decide based on evidence.

 

[Ophelia]

Someone who produces nothing will always essentially steal their entire income from someone else. It's just a question of who they're taking from. Chris is incapable of producing anything of value

He could clean toilets or sort glass. There are things he could be made to do that aren’t exactly productive.