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The suspicion was that as editorial work is labor intensive, the least amount of work increases the profit margin, and this book by an author with a built in audience was going to make bank out of the gate, why throw another $2-5K of billable work at it?
Wasn't there some talk around this phenomenon with the Harry Potter novels? I remember hearing that they basically pulled editorial staff off of the project after the 3rd book because there was no reason to say no to any of JK Rowling's decisions as long as she kept writing books. In that case though it was an organic phenomenon, and people did and do keep buying and reading the novels, so they were arguably right to do it even if it may have made the books less concise and polished.
 
Wasn't there some talk around this phenomenon with the Harry Potter novels? I remember hearing that they basically pulled editorial staff off of the project after the 3rd book because there was no reason to say no to any of JK Rowling's decisions as long as she kept writing books. In that case though it was an organic phenomenon, and people did and do keep buying and reading the novels, so they were arguably right to do it even if it may have made the books less concise and polished.
I thought it was the opposite, that Rowling had issues with some of the later books and was being slow to produce them, so they went more hands on with multiple editors?
 
There was a similar case with the Axiom’s End /Lindsay Ellis books which were so shit quality (even me in my optimism expected better from her) that it really highlighted how the publisher saw them as being a money printing machine regardless if they were shit or not.

The suspicion was that as editorial work is labor intensive, the least amount of work increases the profit margin, and this book by an author with a built in audience was going to make bank out of the gate, why throw another $2-5K of billable work at it?

Lightlark is following that mode of thinking closely I think. Apparently there’s been work done it already, but there’s a only so much polish one can put on a turd.
How could I forget the words of the greatest Ferengi to ever live?

The quality of the prose isn't nearly as important as short term quarterly gains.
 
I love Lithub its my own personal lolcow news site, almost all the articles are written by failed mfas who dont get that they fail because their books are like every other book by a mfa out on the market, its really quite sad. its all the rigid formalism of 19th century serious literature but thr bars of their prison are invisible so they dont know why they cant go certain places, so they just assume those places arent real.
 
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Anyhoo what's the "spicy" section I noticed at B&N (shelves were still empty from the reorganizing)? Is that just another term for smut? And if it is, why the fuck is it now situated directly across from the kids' book section? :story:
Spicy is right next to the kids so that mom can throw them in their section and browse for her escapist smut while the kids are busy with their own stuff. They are close enough that mom feels she's keeping an eye on them, with just enough separation that B&N aren't technically selling porn to kids.
 
I love Lithub its my own personal lolcow news site, almost all the articles are written by failed mfas who dont get it that they fail because their books are like every other book by a mfa out on the market, its really quite sad. its all the rigid formalism of 19th century serious literature but bars of their prison are invisible so they dont know why they cant go certain places so they just assume those places arent real.
Genuine question, what is MFA?
 
I love Lithub its my own personal lolcow news site, almost all the articles are written by failed mfas who dont get it that they fail because their books are like every other book by a mfa out on the market, its really quite sad. its all the rigid formalism of 19th century serious literature but bars of their prison are invisible so they dont know why they cant go certain places so they just assume those places arent real.
I'm 100% convinced you're either born with the talent or you aren't. I really feel for people who go out to get MFAs in creative writing because there's nothing you'd learn in college that you can't get from a healthy reading hobby and a vivid and sensory imagination. And (at least in my personal opinion) schools really won't be giving you the industry connections you need in order to succeed. They barely do for other humanities degrees, and those tend to put you in contact with your professional peers more directly via publishing.
Genuine question, what is MFA?
Master of Fine Arts.
 
I'm 100% convinced you're either born with the talent or you aren't. I really feel for people who go out to get MFAs in creative writing because there's nothing you'd learn in college that you can't get from a healthy reading hobby and a vivid and sensory imagination. And (at least in my personal opinion) schools really won't be giving you the industry connections you need in order to succeed. They barely do for other humanities degrees, and those tend to put you in contact with your professional peers more directly via publishing.
Getting an MFA helps a lot in learning how to actually write but no more than wring 50k words a year would do with consistant feed back.
 
Failed MFA writer works in a used books store and has a sad:


Also i dont read nobel prize winning books because they're boring not because the writers are awful people.
Christ what a faggot. Says he lives in Vermont but I half expected him to be from Portland. Dude has the most basic bitch taste in books ever. You can practically feel him sneering when he says "box of civil war histories."
I listen to “It’ll All Work Out” by Phoebe Bridgers 31 times in a row.
When acquiring for the store, I eliminate the shoddily self-published, the waterlogged, the violently bigoted
 
Failed MFA writer works in a used books store and has a sad:


Also i dont read nobel prize winning books because they're boring not because the writers are awful people.
I went ahead and looked up his Twitter. Another writer from his MFA program has published a novel (American Fever by Dur e Aziz Amna, in case anyone cares) and he actually read some of her manuscript in a workshop. I personally can’t read any seething resentment or jealousy in his congratulatory tweet to her, but I imagine it has to sting a bit. I’m not sure if this used bookstore gig is the best match for him based on that essay. It’d be like being in an MFA program for playwrights and getting a job at the box office at an off-Broadway playhouse.
 
I took a peak of some Lightlark sample chapters, haven't successfully pirated it. What jumps out at me is yeah the prose is bad which disrupts the sentence flow and the author keeps bouncing around with what information she's chosen to dump. The writing has a disorganized, unedited feel. I don't think an editor lookat at this book hard, if at all.

And the story is incredibly derivative, even for a YA novel. Four chapters and I can barely make any sense of how the world works and it would have been very helpful to have a fish out of water character to direct explanations to, but there isn't. The story so far feels like shitty Dragon Prince mixed with some Hunger Games bullshit. There is some magic island where six groups of people lived but then this curse happened and each group was cursed differently and every 100 years they meet on the island again (because normally a barrier prevents them from reaching the island, but also there are people who still stay on the island...) to do some competition to try to break the curse. They don't know where the curse came from but also each group has a gimmick and basically one of the groups is called The Curse Inventors so hmm what's up with that. Also a Curse Inventor dude basically named Grimdark McEvil arrives and smirks a lot and hmm what's up with that. Glancing at Twitter, people are complaining how Grimdark was the villain all along because it was so painfully obvious people were expecting a twist but nope.

The protagonist's name is Isla Crown and I had to read the book's first paragraph a few times to understand it was talking about a person and not some sort of tourist gift shop.
 
What's "urban romance?" Stories about bland women getting to romance Jamal from the Crips and take him away from his life of drug dealing and pimping?
"Urban romance" sounds like a nicer way of saying "Ghetto Lit" so I'm going to guess it's all stuff like this:
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The whole thing is gross and weird, but not unheard of in marketing circles.

Yes, the calls for cancellation are sub-zero, its just a Bad Book. But given the amount of marketing its getting, it's not getting six-figure marketing but SEVEN figure marketing, and it turns out the author's sister has strong connections to a major marketing firm.

The whole Booktok persona is based on the fairytale of getting a book deal, but the reality is a rich girl with two books published in 2020 and 2021 getting a third book out for a great but not wholly stellar deal. Twilight was a 700K deal 15 years ago, and the base figure is in the million-range now.

The Tik Toks are also promoted (ie: paid for) out of her volumous pockets.



Or -- to make things really fucked up -- a responsible one, it looks like she is being published by Abram's Books, which are almost purely kids books in their fiction section.

The author has been telling all her tick tok crowd how Lightlark is "hot n spicy" with the associated tropes - and it most certainly is not. But Abrams can't go crazy selling sexy books, because little kid books and board books make up their bread and butter.



It reminds me of the Lindsay Ellis situation, she was similarly famous on YouTube, and with stronger ties to her fans, so her manuscript was bought for six-figures of stupidity by St Martin's a few years ago. Needless to say they bombed out.

There were a lot of brain-dead people who pre-purchased Lightlark for the hype - to be fair there is a certain pleasure of reading a new book and being able to squee about it with thousands of fans like you could do in a GoT episode recap, but the advanced reading reviews have been dismal. It will go to #1 on the NYT, but this will kill the YA-For-Adults trope.

The processes for creating hype in the book community are so glaringly obvious, from the special ARC editions that no reader had access to and to the paid book bloggers, that there's now a deep vein of suspicion against anything being pushed TOO hard.

I took a peak of some Lightlark sample chapters, haven't successfully pirated it. What jumps out at me is yeah the prose is bad which disrupts the sentence flow and the author keeps bouncing around with what information she's chosen to dump. The writing has a disorganized, unedited feel. I don't think an editor lookat at this book hard, if at all.

And the story is incredibly derivative, even for a YA novel. Four chapters and I can barely make any sense of how the world works and it would have been very helpful to have a fish out of water character to direct explanations to, but there isn't. The story so far feels like shitty Dragon Prince mixed with some Hunger Games bullshit. There is some magic island where six groups of people lived but then this curse happened and each group was cursed differently and every 100 years they meet on the island again (because normally a barrier prevents them from reaching the island, but also there are people who still stay on the island...) to do some competition to try to break the curse. They don't know where the curse came from but also each group has a gimmick and basically one of the groups is called The Curse Inventors so hmm what's up with that. Also a Curse Inventor dude basically named Grimdark McEvil arrives and smirks a lot and hmm what's up with that. Glancing at Twitter, people are complaining how Grimdark was the villain all along because it was so painfully obvious people were expecting a twist but nope.

The protagonist's name is Isla Crown and I had to read the book's first paragraph a few times to understand it was talking about a person and not some sort of tourist gift shop.
Reading through Lastlark reviews has been a riot.
 
LOL, this is great. Possibly the greatest Twitter thread of all time. 👍🤘👍 John Green and Sarah J. Maas are secretly alt-right racist hatey mchaters. I never knew.

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Spoiler, the list:

edit: muh autism forced me to correctly order the list.
Tolkien, Howard and Lovecraft didn't make the list? Maybe they only read YA and the stuff schools make you read, or maybe these authors are such strident enemies that they dare not mention them. May have partly worked for Kipling, his entry stops at "racist", probably because nobody in this clique read him and just has the vague impression of "that British imperialist guy" .
 
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