Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

To be completely fair to Cho, Steranko took that one step further and suggested it was some biologically engineered thing the CCP grew in a lab and intentionally released to destroy the west.

Which is, admittedly, a bit much.

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I would've posted this earlier, but got momentarily distracted by some vague stink of rotting meat and leaky shit.
 
And I started to wonder. Does making covers pay all that good? Can you really make a good living out of just drawing covers and nothing else?
Please enlighten me.

Oh yeah. Due to decades of controlled scarcity by publishers, it's a staple of the comics industry at this point that a popular cover artist can get retailers to buy multiple copies of a comic with substandard art and writing just to get a hold of a prized variant. The result is a cover artist that's in-demand enough by collectors can command a much higher rate for a cover than the interior artist could get for a page of often much more technically demanding, multi-paneled sequential art for the same book. @FROG and @The Wisdom of Bassets already went into how lucrative the original art market on top of this can be. The point is is that it's not just possible but, if speculator/retailer demand for your covers is high enough and you're able to line up dozens of variant cover contracts as Mark Brooks and a number of others are able to, it's actually optimal to just make covers.

Shane Davis goes into it here in an anti-Mark Brooks video when he calls on gamers interior artists to rise up against the bourgeois cover artists, because they're living high on the hog making "exorbitant" amounts of money while Shane was you're there drawing page after page of gay Metal Men bullshit.

I'd argue that the practice of placing pinups on a pedestal over sequential comic art in the sequential comic art industry itself is one of the many non-woke causes of the medium's decline in the Americas.

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Who knows. It's just something Vinny posted, and Vinny is another one of those FROG MAN BAD™ people. I think at this point it was done more as a dig against FROG than anything. Lot of that going around.

Right. It was on one of Liam's post-Nasser rejoining streams where he was denouncing Comicsgate as a grift and making all sorts of threats regarding criminal behavior where Vinnie was there nodding along as a show of support. Sort of like when Micah was perplexed that him reading out Liam's formal denunciation of Comicsgate speech could be interpreted, Vinnie was apoplectic that this could be taken as a sign of him leaving CG with Liam, and then clarifying he was CG complaining that he was cancelled by Frog on Fandom Menace Historian's channel for a year and a half.
 
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I'd argue that the practice of placing pinups on a pedestal over sequential comic art in the sequential comic art industry itself is one of the many non-woke causes of the medium's decline in the Americas.
Investment wise, slabbed high grade books are the most valuable. You can't see the interiors of a slabbed book. Why are dumb ass comicsgaters even crying, they have a number of cover artists like Van Sciver, Keown, that Rob guy who said screw the interiors of the book people bought and did a bunch of covers. All of their comics have variants too.

Vinnie Tartamella seems to be completely blackpilled on Comicsgate and the Culture War but also still hates Marvel and Joe Quesadilla. He'll be forced to hang with other exiles like crackwhore paypig Fandom Menace Historian, who from the recent streams still believes in the Culture War and Fandom Menace, but thinks he's the REAL guy and the much more popular people making fun of him are FAKE.
 
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Investment wise, slabbed high grade books are the most valuable. You can't see the interiors of a slabbed book. Why are dumb ass comicsgaters even crying, they have a number of cover artists like Van Sciver, Keown, that Rob guy who said screw the interiors of the book people bought and did a bunch of covers. All of their comics have variants too.
Basically they want to attack Brooks in kind for his critique of their art by arguing he only does covers and therefore lacks true knowledge from which to speak about the creation of cover art versus pinup art.


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Which, in their defense, is true. If nothing else, Comicsgate has definitively proven beyond all doubt you don't even have to know anything about comics to be a variant cover artist while getting paid way more than the person that actually drew the comic; though it didn't seem to be be a problem back when Dynamite had a ready supply of pre-made comics. Still, Brooks' status as a highly esteemed Marvel artist speaking down to a bunch of self-employed independents carries with it a level of authority that it's very much in Comicsgate's interests to challenge using whatever means they can.

Most of the the "parasite cover artist class" rhetoric mostly seems to be coming from pro-capitalists Eric July and Shane Davis, a DC interior artist who's regular rants directed at class enemies like writers, editors, publishers and cover artists all living off the backs of the exploited interior artist laboring class wouldn't be out of place in Marx's Das Kapital.
 
Maybe "going woke" is not the cause but the result of the decline of the industry,
Maybe they just went woke because there was not much money left in the industry and the only people they could afford to hire was
terminally online and desperately poor people living sub-starvation lifes?
I.e. they did not go woke because they wanted to but they did because they reached a stage where broke woke people were the only ones they could afford to hire?
I think that this is the case, at least partially. American comics, especially big two, were in decline for a long time. People like Pat Dixon tends to point at the 70s when last major non-cape comics were strangled once fanboys took over managerial positions. That contributed to big two's growing eagerness to chase fads and engage in more and more money squezing practices. The shift towards comic book stores is an example of that. Falling page counts are another.
When the collector bubble popped, it put these trends in overdrive. 90s were edgy, early 2000s "deep" and cinematic, and now we have wokeness. I think that SJWs's control is in part due to liberal biases of coastal libs working at big two, and in part SJWs' willingness to work for peanuts.

Don't forget Ken Rocafort. Who got into trouble back in 2014 for having to audacity to draw boobs on a Teen Titans cover. That included a swipe by a literal pedo supporter who still works for the MSM ("The press are scum." - Joshua Conner "Null" Moon).

I think @jspit2.0 is right. Anybody who knows anything about comics, and who values honesty, would have told Mark he's full of shit for suggesting there was no SJW backlash or career fallout from depicting sexy. Especially on covers. But I don't think honesty was the raison d'etre for having Brooks on.
That period between 2014 and 2018 was especially horrid. Yet Sejic, Artgerm, female artists, and a whole slew of Latinos who make cheesecake art escaped that scrutiny somehow.
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@GoPro I can't quote your post. Let's start at the top.


Yes, Frank's Fight Girls pales compared to Liberty Meadows or his earlier work.


Coomer bait. And he's doing it in a way mocking it, giving him cover.


Uh huh. Sketch covers. Some from years ago. All are pretty damn tame.


They are very new. He's for free speech. Except for some, I guess?

My happiness is not at issue. My view is that it's pathetic to hold yourself out as this big counter culture guy with a sense of humor when it comes to drawing Gwen Stacey with fat ass only to turn into an internet tough guy meets outraged karen when someone says something substantive.


And? I'm struggling to find the reason to bring this up against what I said. It kindof proves my point.

Imagine if he was for those policies and did what he did....like say Kenneth Roccafort?


Seems like you should before opining?


Jim Steranko has done more for comics and free speech in them then Cho could ever dream. He can and should be pissy about CoVid. Wonder where that virus came from?

Either way, I stand by what I said.
Cho always did tamer work alongside risque stuff. Fight Girls are not far off from his 50 Girls 50 from over a decade ago. Not every one of his comics is Shanna. His joke coomer bait covers is what got him in trouble with the usual suspects. If Cho wanted to change his tune, he would not have churned out even more coomer bait mocking people going after him and would not proudly peddle them to this day.
I wish Cho would have stuck to comic strips and one shots. He is much better at these than long stories.

As to Cho's politics, my point was that he is a liberal who goes with the flow. Unless it encroaches on Cho's right to draw cheesecake. Outside of that, he will regurgitate whatever mainstream media is peddling. That's why he only complained about conservative censorship in late 90s and early 2000s when reminescing in interviews after becoming a target himself. Liberals tend to "forget" about figures like Tipper Gore, suburbanite moms, and 90s feminists' censorship efforts. In their minds it's only conservatives who censor.
Cho was never a based and red-pilled free speech warrior some were making him out to be. He was a liberal who stood up for himself when people started pulling out torches and pitchforks. If twitter was around in 2004, Cho would probably make unfavorable comments about Frank Miller and Dave Sim. Only naive people could expect something else from an immigrant living in blue state and working in comics for so long.

I did not try to undermine Steranko or claim that Cho was in the right. Only mention of Cho's comments I was able to find is a Bleeding Cool article. Based on it, Cho's response was "Both of my parents are in the hospital with COVID, and the last thing I need to hear is more xenophobic Republican lies from this narcissistic hateful egomaniac." Not good, but not exactly unexpected from a liberal who has both parents in the hospital and probably still deals with some baggage from a childhood as an immigrant.
Only possible change I can see in Cho's work is that he cut down on interior duty in favor of more covers and commissions - like most others who entered the industry in early 2000s. Another arguable change is that he toned down his output a bit and sticks to safe stuff. This is very common among creatives who get close to the age of 50.
 
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Narwhal already does storyboard sketches instead of developed artwork for his stuff, now he's looking for some way to put even less effort into his art? I'd recommend he learn to render and detail instead - otherwise narwhal can be replaced with the ai he's experimenting with and then who needs him?

Narwhal isn't exclusively a comicbook artist, he comes from a cinema background and he also animates. That's why he's my favourite artist in the scene, he's actually adding to the medium and extending it. Can't be said about most in crowdfunding.

A likely future scenario for mainstream comics is AI art. What's to stop DC, Marvel, or even Richard Meyer if the program becomes cheap enough to replace the most expensive member of a comics creative team?
 
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@GoPro "90s were edgy, early 2000s "deep" and cinematic, and now we have wokeness. I think that SJWs's control is in part due to liberal biases of coastal libs working at big two, and in part SJWs' willingness to work for peanuts."

The low pay in the comic industrial complex serves as a barrier to entry for the working classes who could never afford to work for so little. Instead those jobs go to the bourgeois Liberal eltists who can supplement those wages with generational wealth.
 
The low pay in the comic industrial complex serves as a barrier to entry for the working classes who could never afford to work for so little. Instead those jobs go to the bourgeois Liberal eltists who can supplement those wages with generational wealth.
Oh, so basically we have to put up with their bullshit, and they don't even do their bullshit to put a roof over their heads?

Wonderful. Now I hate them even more.
 
as long as the troons keep losing, I’m fine with it.
They can get us dropped from every hosting service on the face of the planet, relocated to Russian servers, go to war with Russia, drone strike all their servers, track us to the youtube comments section and get our accounts banned, then the google accounts connected to them, then dox us all and get us all individually blacklisted by our ISP's and put on a government watch list.

They'll still never be women.
 
Word is photos of Mandy Summers and Anna are being leaked tonight. Could that be true counselor? Cry havoc!!

Hmmm, wouldn't it be actual revenge porn or they were from a porn site? I know mandy has a premium snap chat. What happened between wc and mandy? I thought she was wc.
Say huh? I mean what the hey? Did this ever happen?

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I would like to thank everyone here (except for that faggot JDA) for such an interesting and lively thread. I learned a lot about comics, SJWs, and the struggle for the heart and soul of entertainment. I think Frog is cool and so is CG in general, but damn Cecil is a grifting cunt.
 
BTW, there remains the question as to where to continue this shit.

There seems to be a mass immigration to poa.st going on right now. My understanding is it's basically Twitter for shitposters.

They might let @Mister Dongs post his CG reports there.

If anybody cares to, hit me up:


And if that doesn't work, well... I have no fucking idea. I guess we all bow down to our new troon overlords, or some shit.
 
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