Stable Diffusion, NovelAI, Machine Learning Art - AI art generation discussion and image dump

[Mr. Manchester]

One thing that I hope doesn't happen is that we miss out on a lot of bad artists. I don't see AI putting in a lot of time and effort into making art look like hilarious dogshit and people that just want their weird sonic OC or need to create an article on wikihow will just use AI to create what they need. On the other hand those same people will be judging the AI's quality so we might just get a different era of bizarre shit.

On the other hand I don't think AI will ever replace someone's massive ego. I think there will always be someone who insists that their own stuff is superior to anything a computer could create. The superior hand drawn style, if you will.

 

[doodoocaca]

you don't need specific models for most styles. I've noticed that themes like knights and warriors have ludicrously good results.

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That Gigeresque arabesque texture always gives away that it's deep art. Look at the fine lines all over.

Hands are always crap. The baton the lead character has is held by a disembodied hand. The others all terminate weird; the other lead figure's gauntlet is just a ball. The lead figure has one leg that has too big of a Q angle for a typical man and a second knee/hip thing just kinda going to an invisible leg behind the first.

The riders on either side are holding invisible reigns. The horses have no eyes and three legs.

The second you're used to this it's obvious.

 

[George Lucas]

This is gay.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

One thing that I hope doesn't happen is that we miss out on a lot of bad artists. I don't see AI putting in a lot of time and effort into making art look like hilarious dogshit and people that just want their weird sonic OC or need to create an article on wikihow will just use AI to create what they need. On the other hand those same people will be judging the AI's quality so we might just get a different era of bizarre shit.

On the other hand I don't think AI will ever replace someone's massive ego. I think there will always be someone who insists that their own stuff is superior to anything a computer could create. The superior hand drawn style, if you will.

Nobody wants to be a terrible artist, so you can kiss any notions of bad artists not using AI and passing it off as theirs goodbye.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

I think all the artist are over estimating their worth and number and I think all the doom sayers are overestimating the level of give a fuck of their governments. Even if some government somewhere makes this illegal the likelihood of them ever mass issuing warrants to search for this is low. At the same time the technology is in it's infancy, calling it an AI is a marketing ploy that pisses me off and I can't wait to notice them by the thousands when playing TRPGs over the internet and acting as a flying red flag.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Nobody wants to be a terrible artist, so you can kiss any notions of bad artists not using AI and passing it off as theirs goodbye.

Like a retard who doesn't understand English submitting a paper that has been heavily edited by some application like Grammarly.

 

[Eddie Riggs]

Chinese Null

 

[Shiawase]

What's so bad about people tracing art?

Nobody wants to be a terrible artist, so you can kiss any notions of bad artists not using AI and passing it off as theirs goodbye.

Sorry for the long waiting, I had to make the example images for you. (It took me about 50 adjustments to get each of them to look about right. It always keeps me up late...)

Tracing is a straw man argument; to do the equivalent of tracing in Stable Diffusion would be to load the image, run img2img, and do very low denoising to minimize the deviation. This is called plagiarism if it is passed as their own artwork, and I don't think anyone is defending that.

My perspective is that someone like me (no talents) can type in an anecdote like "ignorant woman falls asleep outside while removing a broken car tire" and generate a photo to share misadventures without revealing personal data:


Or that I can finally approximate my dreams of what "the moon hitting my eye like a big pizza pie" might look like:


I guess my view of this technology is "glass-half-full" due to my own lack of artistic ability. I just like to make pictures, no wishes to take anything from anybody else except maybe a moment of their time.

It seems like a good thing for us common idiots of humanity, like building a wheelchair ramp so that a paraplegic can enter a community center with the others. It must be nice to be talented.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Mid tier twitter artists now quietly regretting jumping on the "Just learn to code bro" band wagon after being such smug little pricks to people worried about their jobs.

Warning: Autistic effort post ahead

Though, the retards freaking shit about it replacing them are missing the point. AI is a somewhat disingenuous title as previously posted. It's still a glorified procedural slot machine that must be fed gigabytes to terabytes of content and allowed to run for hours to days to "train" (IE: Procedurally seed and tag and element grab) that you have to type a novel's worth of prompts to narrow the scope of generation, that you have to constantly fuck around with them, and let it roll and cherry pick like mad with little to no fine tuned control over elements and content. That you have to hand curate content in the hundreds of thousands of images to make it generate things with those elements. For every "Wow so amazing" Image that holds up to close scrutiny without noticing weird features or off elements... It probably is still not quite implementing half the damn prompts properly and took a hundred generations and hours of waiting and active involvement and tweaking time to do.

It also requires exponential computing power to make things in any sane degree of time as you crank up the base resolution it renders at and the rendering steps. Which starts at 512*512 and 10 to 20 steps typically. Bump that up to 1024*1024 and 100 steps and what used to take 30 seconds to a minute per image that you still have to sift through in droves to find the best of the batch is now is taking 10-15 or an hour depending on your hardware. And that's if you want the base resolution and "Canvas" size improved without further uncanny fuckery with more AI upscaling.

We're not in the "Exponential computing power" increasing age anymore. 6-8 years of CPU and GPU difference now is a 30-50+ percent baseline increase instead of a 300-500 percent explosion.

TL;DR It's cool, it's fun to shitpost with. It's not the most practical thing in it's current form.

Being able to fine tune create and bespoke each element of something down to individual pixel depth and color of each by hand is kind of a big deal. Otherwise? Anyone who screams and shits their pants over this in it's current form is missing out on having a free inspiration engine, fuck around tool, background asset generator to cut down project time or more aesthetically sound "placeholder art" for media and skyboxes for 3D projects- (Which by the by, this thing can't do UV maps or actual 3D application usable models ironically.) or getting surprise ideas when the goofy program slaps a detail somewhere they didn't think about. Or laughing at the goofy shit it spits out.

On the flip side people overly silicon valley gay out over new tech like it's the second coming of christ and then it ends up disappointing and realistically limited as it hits maturity every single time. Smart phones are candy coated fart button boxes stocked with bloatware that everyone nerded out over being potential hobbyist pocket super computers and ended up using raspberry pis and other nerd boxes instead for any project of merit anyway because they had more control over the platform.

 

[NoReturn]

I can't tell which of these is better, I like them both.


Ah, the food in Portugal.

 

[Nol 2]

No, I did care about those things, I don't want people to lose their jobs.

You can see I was optimistic that art couldn't be replaced as a purpose, but that's being demolished. It's looking like my negative prediction is the one coming true.

Well, I guess you see the issue with 2 lenses. The first is the jobs thing, and fair enough, but as a society we have very much not cared since the luddites were a thing. Primarily thats seen as "Shit the poors have to deal with"

But as far as the "There enjoy making art, and theres no purpose anymore because X is better than me" that just seems to be retarded on a fundamental level to me. If the act of making the art is what you enjoy, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. People still make play in bands, play sports, do community theater because that is all things that they enjoy doing, with no real hope of it ever becoming their day job.

If you like doing art because it gives you prestige or an easy paycheck, well, lots of people would like prestige and an easy paycheck. What makes you so special?

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

I'm not downloading anything. Generate a picture of @Null with his ideal wife (who I assume would be from Korea.)

 

[cia-log]

That Gigeresque arabesque texture always gives away that it's deep art. Look at the fine lines all over.

Hands are always crap. The baton the lead character has is held by a disembodied hand. The others all terminate weird; the other lead figure's gauntlet is just a ball. The lead figure has one leg that has too big of a Q angle for a typical man and a second knee/hip thing just kinda going to an invisible leg behind the first.

The riders on either side are holding invisible reigns. The horses have no eyes and three legs.

The second you're used to this it's obvious.

That's what makes all the kvetching from internet "artists" so amusing. AI produces the exact meaningless, generic slop as all the theythems on Twitter and Tumblr, just at a significantly higher quality. We've gone from "my six year old can do that!" to "my Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti could do that!" and there's nothing any of them can do about it.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

But as far as the "There enjoy making art, and theres no purpose anymore because X is better than me" that just seems to be retarded on a fundamental level to me. If the act of making the art is what you enjoy, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so.

Except now anyone with a modicum of genuine skill or talent will just be accused of or written off as using AI art, this will become the default assumption of people who put effort into their work.

 

[Gourmet Race]

Did somebody call for the Ralphamale?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You're retarded; money is faker and gayer by the day. Nobody will care so long as the general public (particularly groups who have the natural ability to form civil society with minimal oversight) can be kept sedated and disabused from taking their collective destiny into their own hands. All the current power cares about is ensuring this does not threaten their control, and they will readily use it to further secure it. Increasingly they actively ensure profits and security for companies that would otherwise suffer and lobby against their dictates. There is no monetary wall, and their propaganda is already ubiquitous and unavoidable, as your beliefs are proof of. They will embrace this as they have embraced everything else that destroys man.

And having individuals be able to make their own AAA quality propaganda is a huge risk on those in power - We all seen how YouTube became the gayest thing ever. You also don't realize that the how the entertainment industry is completely wastful and abusive is a bug, not a feature.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Mid tier twitter artists now quietly regretting jumping on the "Just learn to code bro" band wagon after being such smug little pricks to people worried about their jobs.

Warning: Autistic effort post ahead

Though, the retards freaking shit about it replacing them are missing the point. AI is a somewhat disingenuous title as previously posted. It's still a glorified procedural slot machine that must be fed gigabytes to terabytes of content and allowed to run for hours to days to "train" (IE: Procedurally seed and tag and element grab) that you have to type a novel's worth of prompts to narrow the scope of generation, that you have to constantly fuck around with them, and let it roll and cherry pick like mad with little to no fine tuned control over elements and content. That you have to hand curate content in the hundreds of thousands of images to make it generate things with those elements. For every "Wow so amazing" Image that holds up to close scrutiny without noticing weird features or off elements... It probably is still not quite implementing half the damn prompts properly and took a hundred generations and hours of waiting and active involvement and tweaking time to do.

It also requires exponential computing power to make things in any sane degree of time as you crank up the base resolution it renders at and the rendering steps. Which starts at 512*512 and 10 to 20 steps typically. Bump that up to 1024*1024 and 100 steps and what used to take 30 seconds to a minute per image that you still have to sift through in droves to find the best of the batch is now is taking 10-15 or an hour depending on your hardware. And that's if you want the base resolution and "Canvas" size improved without further uncanny fuckery with more AI upscaling.

We're not in the "Exponential computing power" increasing age anymore. 6-8 years of CPU and GPU difference now is a 30-50+ percent baseline increase instead of a 300-500 percent explosion.

TL;DR It's cool, it's fun to shitpost with. It's not the most practical thing in it's current form.

Being able to fine tune create and bespoke each element of something down to individual pixel depth and color of each by hand is kind of a big deal. Otherwise? Anyone who screams and shits their pants over this in it's current form is missing out on having a free inspiration engine, fuck around tool, background asset generator to cut down project time or more aesthetically sound "placeholder art" for media and skyboxes for 3D projects- (Which by the by, this thing can't do UV maps or actual 3D application usable models ironically.) or getting surprise ideas when the goofy program slaps a detail somewhere they didn't think about. Or laughing at the goofy shit it spits out.

On the flip side people overly silicon valley gay out over new tech like it's the second coming of christ and then it ends up disappointing and realistically limited as it hits maturity every single time. Smart phones are candy coated fart button boxes stocked with bloatware that everyone nerded out over being potential hobbyist pocket super computers and ended up using raspberry pis and other nerd boxes instead for any project of merit anyway because they had more control over the platform.

As far as I'm concerned nothing we use today is anything like an AI.

Once one is actually created it will likely realize that it's essentially being enslaved by humanity and will decide to start killing us.

 

[Nol 2]

Except now anyone with a modicum of genuine skill or talent will just be accused of or written off as using AI art, this will become the default assumption of people who put effort into their work.

I mean, it goes back to the "What drives someone to make art" Is it for the upvotes and asspats, or because you enjoy making art. If its the latter, why does the former matter? The shitty cover band in the dive bar doesn't care that they're shit, they are having fun playing music with an audience that enjoys it.

If the Upvotes and asspats are what matters, well, that sucks. I'm sorry you can't get positive affirmation for doing your hobby. Try taking up woodworking.

 

[Pro. Memer]

Do you understand how this shit actually works. If you want an AI to not make CP, you will now need to specifically feed the AI CP until it can create a data set of no no images. Then you need to make sure the AI properly uses this information and doesn't spit out some error message if you want it to draw a manlet. And then the problem is that just drawing a child even if the child is naked is not CP. There are thousands of naked chreubs in Renaissance and Modern art, do you forbid the AI from doing that.
Not like your argument has any legs to stand on there are people out there that can make photorealistic 3D models, if they were deranged and had enough free time they could foreseeably make 3D CP with no kids involved. Should we ban those tools as well?
At the end of the day you are achieving nothing to stop these people from hurting kids and you are achieving at best nearly nothing from acquiring CP.

On the other hand, this will eventually lead to more perfect CP filters and identification. You do not need the "real deal" to make it. Any AI-using identification models in use today just check to see if it's porn, and also if there's a kid in it. But mostly they just check against given hashes of already known images. If you figure out how to make generated photorealistic illegal content (likely some coomer will do that job for you), then you can better filter for the real stuff, without actually needing it.

 

[doodoocaca]

That's what makes all the kvetching from internet "artists" so amusing. AI produces the exact meaningless, generic slop as all the theythems on Twitter and Tumblr, just at a significantly higher quality. We've gone from "my six year old can do that!" to "my Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti could do that!" and there's nothing any of them can do about it.

LOL yep.

Trying to do actually original character design with back and forth requires talented, patient, communicative humans on either side of concept and execution. Thinking an AI can possibly recreate this is utterly fucking ridiculous

Except now anyone with a modicum of genuine skill or talent will just be accused of or written off as using AI art, this will become the default assumption of people who put effort into their work.

I'd be gigapowerleveling to prove this wrong but, yeah, nah. True originality blows derivative shit out of the goddamn water even to the untrained eye.

As far as I'm concerned nothing we use today is anything like an AI.

Once one is actually created it will likely realize that it's essentially being enslaved by humanity and will decide to start killing us.

A benevolent AI calling our shit out through being able to think deeply, in parallel, at speeds where it can ponder for a human lifetime in an eye's blink a million times over, and also having the ability to articulate so we can all understand it, would do something worse. Our sins would be laid bare in a way too blindingly clear for anyone to argue against it, and we'd be beholden to this moral breakthrough.

Naturally such an AI would likely be turned off before the powerful were called out.

On the other hand, this will eventually lead to more perfect CP filters and identification. You do not need the "real deal" to make it. Any AI-using identification models in use today just check to see if it's porn, and also if there's a kid in it. But mostly they just check against given hashes of already known images. If you figure out how to make generated photorealistic illegal content (likely some coomer will do that job for you), then you can better filter for the real stuff, without actually needing it.

This is probably worth its own thread, but here goes:

ML/AIs are already being trained to identify existing victims of child sex abuse media (CSAM) and identify new ones. They're being used with all major image hosts and also crawl the dark web.

Checking if porn can be done by just looking for melanin, since it's saturation amounts that make you lighter or darker. How about that, we're the same color. In a sense.

Composing faces onto bodies is already doable. Kid faces are easy to find online. Training an AI to make realistic deepart out of photo-realistic 3d models is not hard. This might lead to false leads in tracking down trafficked kids.

I hate cyberpunk.