Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[LeChampion1992]

you gotta be a retard to believe those "interceptions" are real

I mean there are certain things like background noises, voice cadence, and etc... People when they're in an extremely stressful situation they're one extreme or the other. They're extremely calm and collected often cold in their explanations. Otherwise it's Fuck this, Fuck that, fucking kolkols, fucking this.
This is something if you're able to observe and read people you can understand when someone's faking it vs real.
((Ukraine fakes everything because Intel Slavia Z said so, Russian information is always good. ZIGGERS and Reddit KolKols, annoy me so much!!))

LMAOOOOOO. Right. Totally legit nothing to see here.

I'm not even saying Russia's numbers are accurate. It's war. Each side is going to put a huge spin on numbers to push an agenda. To fully believe one side is dishonest at best.

I don't think one side is honest and the other side is dishonest. Both sides are lying I would love to find,compare, and contrast Ukraine army casualties so I can figure out attrition rates. Because I don't trust Russian sources and I'm only trusting Ukraine army sources more but still with a grain of salt. Most of their kills are confirmed.

((There are third party actors verifying information.))

 

[Feline Supremacist]

How hard is it to believe both sides are pumping their numbers? If its no then may I interest you in a timeshare at a great price?

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Because I don't trust Russian sources and I'm only trusting Ukraine army sources more but still with a grain of salt. Most of their kills are confirmed.

Lol whatever helps you sleep at night. Super biased though.

 

[LtSosnooley]

"Yeah guys i know both sides are lying but how about we trust the side I like and completely disregard the side I dislike?"

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

"Yeah guys i know both sides are lying but how about we trust the side I like and completely disregard the side I dislike?"

"Oh and btw (((3rd parties))) that also just happen to like that same side have also confirmed it. Therefore totes legit guys!"

 

[LeChampion1992]

How hard is it to believe both sides are pumping their numbers? If its so then may I interest you in a timeshare at at great price?

I think both sides are lying I just think the Ukrainians are lying less right now.

Lol whatever helps you sleep at night. Super biased though.

I mean both sides are biased.

"Oh and btw (((3rd parties))) that also just happen to like that same side have also confirmed it. Therefore totes legit guys!"

I mean we can see destroyed tanks and destroyed vehicles. Does this mean that there isn't fuckery and propaganda going on agreed.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I think both sides are lying I just think the Ukrainians are lying less right now.

Why? If anything they have the bigger incentive since they can justify even more funds and materiel from their sponsors; Russia doesn't have that consideration.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Lol, this "I think both sides are lying, but I trust one a teeny tiny bit more, here's some stats from their defense ministry!" shtick is really something.

 

[Elbereth]

Absolutely - by far Ukraine's biggest problem may be that certain things simply cannot be made or supplied to them in the necessary numbers, realistically speaking. Nobody but Russia and Russia's allies really has enough factories for SAM rockets (a growing concern with the appearance of the Iranian family of drones),

That's why Ukrainians are getting NASAMS - a system that uses retired air-to-air rockets, which every NATO country has a shitton of ammunition.

Smerch and Alder rockets,

Why would Ukraine need those?

152mm artillery ammunition

Ukraine has some capacity, former warsaw pact countries has some, and they are not realying solely on 152, but also on 155.

(for all the foreign stuff supplied to them, the BMP and the BTR are still among the more commonly seen pieces of equipment for Ukraine).

Probably because, a lot of supplied weapons are kept confidential. I told you that already like 3-4 months ago, before fall of Sievierodonetsk, when you insisted that Ukraine used up all of their supplied weaponry and russia has air superiority, alitlery supperiority, drone superiority, morale superiority and it will only go into russia favor.

 

[Elbereth]

The Russians will probably have parity in numbers in a couple of months and I think more waves of mobilization will happen as the conflict gets a lot more heated.

70,000 dead?! You must be out of your mind if you think that number has any validity. For this calculus to be right, the overall number of casualties required to reach that huge number of dead must be more than 250,000. Which makes no sense, since that would mean that all the entire Russian army in Ukraine became casualties. I think an estimate of more than 10,000 killed for Russian and separatist forces is more appropiate.

I'd say 10,000 killed for russia while trying to ram head first into Bakhmut alone for like 4 moths straight is appropriate number.

 

[Kreitani]

Hey hey, do you remember these 800 T-62's russia wanted to modernize?You can forget about them, they're sent straight to front lines.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

Hey hey, do you remember these 800 T-62's russia wanted to modernize?You can forget about them, they're sent straight to front lines.
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Without any biases I suppose the question to ask is how do you know where they're headed? It's just tanks being transported. Maybe they're being transported to facilities equipped to upgrade them or maybe they really are being transported straight to the front, how do you know?

 

[Kreitani]

Without any biases I suppose the question to ask is how do you know where they're headed? It's just tanks being transported. Maybe they're being transported to facilities equipped to upgrade them or maybe they really are being transported straight to the front, how do you know?

How do I know?I judged(lol no) from destroyed and captured photos of T62's,
and the amount of tanks were transported ( I counted 27-28 ), that's almost enough to replace losses in tank battalion(that's 31 tanks).
Or they're just sent for cannibalisation or modernization.Thats my thoughts.

 

[Elbereth]

Without any biases I suppose the question to ask is how do you know where they're headed? It's just tanks being transported. Maybe they're being transported to facilities equipped to upgrade them or maybe they really are being transported straight to the front, how do you know?

Video was posted on tiktok by pro-russia account, and in descritpition it says those tanks are doing to a front lines.

Not very smart, if you ask me.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Great, a TikTok video. Super informative. God this slapfight is so fake and gay. Glad I stopped going "oh wow look at that" after day...3 I think it was.

 

[Elbereth]

Great, a TikTok video. Super informative. God this slapfight is so fake and gay. Glad I stopped going "oh wow look at that" after day...3 I think it was.

Well, we know you don't look at war footage, beacause cant believe that russia could lost 2,5k tanks whereas Oryx has photos of 1,4k lost russian tanks

Remember that actual losses are always greater than documented, because not every tank is photographed, some are lost in alitelary fires and explosions far from observers.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

How do I know?I judged(lol no) from destroyed and captured photos of T62's,
and the amount of tanks were transported ( I counted 27-28 ), that's almost enough to replace losses in tank battalion(that's 31 tanks).
Or they're just sent for cannibalisation or modernization.Thats my thoughts.

That's fair, not saying you're wrong but I'm just skeptical about anything online regarding this war.

Video was posted on tiktok by pro-russia account, and in descritpition it says those tanks are doing to a front lines.

Not very smart, if you ask me.

Pro-Russia are just as full of shit as pro-Ukraine but if they're telling the truth and they know what they're talking about I'll agree, it's a bad move haha.

 

[352Div]

I don't think Russia is as strong as people make them out to be. The biggest concern I have is the demographic crisis they're facing. There is a real shortage of fighting age ment that want to fight in Ukraine.

Initially I expected a war to be 2-6 weeks long in their favor but if anything Russian propaganda and Russian realities aren't the same thing. The only country in a worse demographic crisis is Ukraine and last I checked.

The problem with Russia is its size and corruption when going at war. First it wanted to reform its army to a more western approach, aiming to abolish conscription since the fears of NATO attacking their land just like in '41 was practically gone. In paper it started in 2000 but on 2016 it was still on-going and reduced the active servicemen to about 800.000 if I'm not mistaken. You can see why Russia had some trouble mobilizing people now because of that.

There is a bigger problem that I haven't seen anyone mention about Russia's sheer size. It obviously can't directly control each one of it's Krais and Republics, so some degree of autonomy is given to the territories. The problem with that, however, is that these territories are already poor in general, and in order not to strain russian bureaucracy too much, they have to finance things themselves - including all military equipment.

The ont thing I would like to get is accurate casualty reports from the uktaninan side. Because I want to see which side has a higher casualty rate. So far one can say with confidence that 70,000+ Russians are probably dead. With tens of thousands more wounded, captured or missing in action.

What's the civilian and Ukraine army. Because Russian sources love to say we "killed 170,000" troops "Ukraine army is destroyed" even though there are no proper stats.

Pro-ukie accounts put the number as high as 66.000 dead Russians, but the number could be as low as 40.000. I don't remember who said it, but in this war in specific, there's a 3:1 ratio to wounded and dead.

Also, something I noticed a lot is that when Ukraine suffers a setback of some sorts, pro-ukie accounts seethe extremely hard and immediately try to portray stuff like that as fake news until there's actual video proof (like the recent case with the azov neo-nazi) and also say stuff like "No, but that was a temporary loss, we will win it soon!1!!111 Russia will lose soon because of NAFO!!1!1!1 Slava ukraine!!!!! Heroiem slava!!111111" Who the fuck takes these accounts seriously? If they're not fighting in the war, they have the same effect as a kid with down syndrome in the SS.

 

[LeChampion1992]

The problem with Russia is its size and corruption when going at war. First it wanted to reform its army to a more western approach, aiming to abolish conscription since the fears of NATO attacking their land just like in '41 was practically gone. In paper it started in 2000 but on 2016 it was still on-going and reduced the active servicemen to about 800.000 if I'm not mistaken. You can see why Russia had some trouble mobilizing people now because of that.

There is a bigger problem that I haven't seen anyone mention about Russia's sheer size. It obviously can't directly control each one of it's Krais and Republics, so some degree of autonomy is given to the territories. The problem with that, however, is that these territories are already poor in general, and in order not to strain russian bureaucracy too much, they have to finance things themselves - including all military equipment.


Pro-ukie accounts put the number as high as 66.000 dead Russians, but the number could be as low as 40.000. I don't remember who said it, but in this war in specific, there's a 3:1 ratio to wounded and dead.

Also, something I noticed a lot is that when Ukraine suffers a setback of some sorts, pro-ukie accounts seethe extremely hard and immediately try to portray stuff like that as fake news until there's actual video proof (like the recent case with the azov neo-nazi) and also say stuff like "No, but that was a temporary loss, we will win it soon!1!!111 Russia will lose soon because of NAFO!!1!1!1 Slava ukraine!!!!! Heroiem slava!!111111" Who the fuck takes these accounts seriously? If they're not fighting in the war, they have the same effect as a kid with down syndrome in the SS.

I mean so far if the Ukies are quiet the Russians are winning. If the ruskies are coming up with some fake offensive and they totally destroyed thousands of Ukies usually with older evidence posted.

My biggest concern is the corruption with Russia. Unlike the US where corruption means the arms industry sold guns to cartels or the US military mules drugs. You don't have the local set of the bloods or the organized criminal organization outside US military bases trying to demand extortion. Base security is very trigger happy and too many criminal gangs can recruit hitman from the military instead.

 

[Wy4M]

The Minsk Agreement was about as useful as the piece of paper it was signed on, because  both the separatists and Ukraine made no actual effort to actually implement them.

It didn't just call for a ceasefire, it called for things like moving artillery and heavy weaponry back dozens of kilometers from where they once were, and both sides made no actual effort to implement it.

Minsk wasn't a failure just because Ukraine ignored it, it because it was a farce of a treaty that was completely ignored by everyone.

fyi Minsk 1:

https://www.peaceagreements.org/viewmasterdocument/1363

Minsk 2 agreement:

https://www.peaceagreements.org/viewmasterdocument/1364