Furry Fandom and Drama General

For anyone who follows Bubbles/KnottyVix And Chai. If you don't follow con drama all that much, they were involved in a lot of the Treble/CorgiEventsLLC drama and are just in general very unpleasant people.
If it isn't obvious, they aren't together anymore

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ScatmansWorld said:
Furaffinity recently banned AI generated art from their website.

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Sept 5, 2022 - Autumn Preview + Upload Policy Update -- Fender's Journal

We're finalizing our autumn site update!. . Here’s a small preview of some of the zesty changes rolling out:. . - UI improvements . ...
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This does bring up an interesting discussion as to how AI will affect the furry community. 90% of furry art is just made for the purpose of getting someone off, and once an AI can create its own art faster and cheaper than all other artists, we might see a crash in that market.
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Its a reasonable policy if the website wants to be solely devoted to user created art. However as you pointed out, it does bring that subject up. I fail to see how anyone with a solid backbone is going to be affected by an AI art floodgate. If someone is proud of their own work, for the work solely in and of itself, why would they even care what happens with AI art? It's just another sub-genre. With that in mind, if someone is going to get pissy about randomly generated pixels on a computer, doesn't that speak to their own interpretation of their art?
 
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Dalmatian Enthusiast said:
I don't know much about the back end of the AI generated stuff, but I do know that there has already sprung up a dedicated community of coomers who spend their free time generating new furry porn using other people's porn as a basis. There are "Stable Diffusion" threads on /trash/ where people are doing this around the clock, and with surprising accuracy. I expect that there will be a sharp falloff in interest in AI generation among the masses after this last bout - it will eventually just be seen as a novelty of the times, a flavor of the month (like NFTs were last year), but there will still be hardcore deviants with oddly specific fetishes who will turn to it out of necessity. Likely people in that camp will commission here and there to get stuff that they can plug into the bot and then from there they'll select the best generated pictures and feed them back into the machine - like some strange, deranged, and sexually deviant form of Darwinism.
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Cough wheeze cough, well these guidelines are for open ai's site at least https://archive.ph/N4jU0
 

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The Eighth Tsar said:
Cough wheeze cough, well these guidelines are for open ai's site at least https://archive.ph/N4jU0
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The stable diffusion porn generator is not based on DALL-E or anything OpenAI produces. SD is relatively lightweight and if you want to see what it's capable of producing (without spending a dollar), you've probably got hardware in your computer powerful enough to generate a small image. A basic web UI with easy instructions can be found here: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui

The issue for the coomers is the only big model (I'm aware of) that is publicly available is CompVis/stable-diffusion-v-1-4-original and it isn't trained on a mountain of porn. It can make suggestive images for sure but if it manages to generate a dick, it'll look like some horrific malformed creation as it basically has no clue what a dick even is.

SD has been around for at least a month or two but the big change has been NovelAI launching their anime and furry models. They're only trained on SFW images but it has the MS Paint furfags freaking out at the thought nobody will commission Discord avatars from them I guess.

Here's what I got for "dog drooling on a computer keyboard" with NAI's furry model after a few re-rolls. (I was looking for something like the slobbermutt but I'm not creative enough to make a decent prompt)
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It's alright but obviously a little weird and the AI clearly didn't understand "drooling". A prompt that defines a background and loads in a few tags would have a far better result.

Here's an attempt to generate a generic furfag Discord avatar using the prompt "anthro wolf, masterpiece, cyberpunk, close-up, smirk, helmet,". "masterpiece" is just a generic term NovelAI put into their training material that nudges the AI into generating a detailed image.
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It looks unironically retarded but you can retry this as much as you want and shrunk down to a little Discord avatar, would anyone be able to tell the difference?

Some genius-level researchers spent thousands of hours to create these algorithms, only for it to lead to this
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Feel free to send along any prompts you want me to try and I'll post the horrifying results.
 
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The Eighth Tsar said:
Cough wheeze cough, well these guidelines are for open ai's site at least https://archive.ph/N4jU0
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lol yeah the folks behind Stable Diffusion integrated a ridiculous "NSFW filter" that causes it to output a solid black PNG instead of the generated image if it decides the prompt you provide it is "naughty." I call it "ridiculous" for two reasons -- first is that they attempted it in the first place (dumb prudes) and second is because of how god damned easy it is to turn it off despite the deliberate omission of any user-exposed option to do so.

They went to all the trouble of training up a separate AI model to run the prompt through to look for naughty concepts, then wired it into the Python-based open-source software that runs the whole mess. Real shame you can just change "contains_nsfw_shit = piss_away_energy_to_check(prompt, data)" to "contains_nsfw_shit = false" and carry on.

Smart people are really dumb sometimes. The AI community in general really seems to be thoroughly detached from reality.
 
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moocow said:
Smart people are really dumb sometimes. The AI community in general really seems to be thoroughly detached from reality.
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No doubt about that though I think the attempt to curb NSFW is due to nobody wanting their AI to be known as a CP generator. AI Dungeon was forced by OpenAI to add in some half-ass CP detection and they ultimately got dumped from GPT-3 anyway.

Services like NovelAI try to distance themselves from that risk by holding as little data as possible on their end but I wouldn't be surprised if the SD guys were told to add that NSFW-detection garbage in as a business decision to minimize that risk as much as humanly possible.
 
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Activelo said:
An animation on e621 was downvoted to hell and the guy who made it flipped out in the comments. (A)
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The animation in question if you're curious
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"Animation"

I find it amusing to see how liberally the term gets applied to subpar attempts by lazy ignorant hacks such as this guy.

Cutting a character into disjointed pieces and applying movement through rotation and stretch transformations is the digital equivalent of paper marionettes. This is puppeteering at best.

Then it is the attitude when this is pointed out to him... Holy shit, the hubris of this guy! It is this perfect combination of stupid and arrogant that it is so easy to make fun off. I doesn't even look like most of the art he is using is his own.
 
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Belvedere said:
"Animation"

I find it amusing to see how liberally the term gets applied to subpar attempts by lazy ignorant hacks such as this guy.

Cutting a character into disjointed pieces and applying movement through rotation and stretch transformations is the digital equivalent of paper marionettes. This is puppeteering at best.

Then it is the attitude when this is pointed out to him... Holy shit, the hubris of this guy! It is this perfect combination of stupid and arrogant that it is so easy to make fun off. I doesn't even look like most of the art he is using is his own.
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He's a faggot. Do you really need any further explanation?
 
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Roxanne Wolf said:
Frens and Furniggers alike, while we weather the storm here I have a campfire story of sorts to tell from times past.

I call this a campfire story as I have only found archives and two screenshots that paint a rather absurd late-2019 story that I have been meaning to share. I hope you enjoy this tale of..:
Fag Destruction, Political Play & Toxic Masculinity!

I would forgive you if you thought that this was a story about some snowflake ranting about the above buzzwords, but this is furries we're talking about here - those buzzwords serve the purpose of fulfilling a fetish! Allow me to share a few screencaps from SharkyPadded:
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You're probably thinking; how the fuck can anyone turn this bullshit into masturbation fodder?
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Interesting enough, someone had the mind to archive this, though sadly the original images appear to be lost:
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He was so hyped for this niche source of fantasy he created an FA, though it shows no traces of existing on any archives: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/redbeatsblue/

After reviewing the above exhibits, tell me - how do you think this ended?

If you guessed "Eating Crow" you are right!

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Archives of this exist as well before he went locked:
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This was not of course without warning though, but with like-minded degenerates, it was inevitable he would feel empowered to share his polarizing fetish with the world only for it to backfire spectacularly: https://archive.ph/xIrCz

He was even ridiculed in group chats for nearly a month after the incident: https://archive.ph/ex4u8

So to recap: White gay liberal furry has fantasies of conservatives fucking him just because they are the "evil" political ideology, orbiting furfags overreact as if this is perpetuating some sort of violence against them, coomer eats words but since he is a porn artist this is forgotten not a month later.

I hope this has brought you some chuckles in this time of hardship - but we will persevere and come out on top! We are Kiwis, goddamnit!
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One picture and escription is archived:

By the by, the opossum characte reminds me of Daire301.
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The Ultimate Ramotith said:
I am bringing back this post because I wanted to bring up a couple of related Twitter threads:


Really thinking abou the above threads, I feel nasty. The furry fandom i supposed to be around cartoon animals at its core. This thread already brought up how furries push a narrative, ev entire documentaries, on how furries are not all perverts or are more than just perverts.
However, Daire301 insists that denying the perverted parts of the fandom is 'insulting' to everyone involved and internalising 'Puritanical' norms... which I think actually means 'hurts the feelings of perverts'. They do not mind all of the scandals that happen because of how children are being eroticised... and all of the scandals that do not happen because they either are complicit in these scandals or emphasise being 'self-true' and 'accepting'. If anything, the fandom would be a lot better if they internalise thi shame.
ScalySluts (fittingly) also emphasises how erotic-friendly, kink-friendly, and BGLT+friendly is the furry fandom while fearing companies taking over the furry fandom (however that would work) and 'whitewashing' the fandom. Ignoring how the things that are in mainstrea media today would shock those even from a decade ago, if companies did push a 'family-friendly furry fandom', then the following possibilities exist:
  • ScalySluts would be right: the community would be sanitised, sucke dry, and then discarded. That would not deter anyone truly interested in cartoon animals; the ones who are going to leave are trenders, 'hipsters', Marxists, and perverts. There might not be much of a fandom left, bu what is left would be a lot healthier due to the sanitation and practical requirement of loyalty.
  • 'Normies' would get interested in the fandom, see how nasty the perverted side of the fandom is, and run off. Protests may happen, bu the furry fandom would either go wi the desentisation of our culture, be dumped (and therefore go back to before companies touched the fandom), or become the new Conservative Outrage of the Now.
  • 'Normies' would get interested in the fandom and, due to their mainstream numbers, push off the perverts, either by accident of their large numbers with corporate sponsorship (and normal mentalities) or on purpose of wanting to get rid of the nastiness. Either of the above two situations are possible (especially because the furry fandom likes to play the 'minority card'), but I find more likely tha the perverts, Marxists, and s on are going to whine about bein 'gentrified' away from their fandom and leave, resulting in the first scenario.
ScalySluts ays that, if companies noticed and promoted the furry fandom, they would 'have tons of merchandise devoid of all the things that make our community special.' However, if you define your 'specialness' not by a genuine interest in cartoon animals, but in being 'accepting' and promoting o fetishes and other perversions, then, in the words of @Lou’s Biggest Fan , 'you're not special, just exceptional.'

That is the reason why this thread reached 1.000 posts.
That is the reason why the furry fandom has its own board here in The Farms.
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The Big O said:
Hah. That Daire301 guy hasn't posted on his Twitter for almost 2 years now, but I kinda know why: he's now sticking to his AD account where he unabashedly posts about his ABDL fetish and polyamory.

And he still finds time inbetween bragging about being a baby to rail against capitalism, belittle antivaxxers, and go on really long tangents about "ableism" and woe-is-me ADHD talk. I'm more surprised he doesn't have a thread by now given this guy has a huge fetish art presence going back several years and posts his own face on his Twitter constantly.
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