Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I will give Ruin Johnson some leniency here. TFA had a throwaway line that Han Solo said, explaining that Luke just wanted to leave it all and fuck off to an island. So, that foundation was Abrams's responsibility. Why Abrams did that specifically, who fucking knows? That doesn't change that Johnson could have at least tried to do something, and he just didn't. It was difficult to come up with something reasonable for a sequel, though.
I don't, because that argument never made sense. "there was no foundation" - so what? this means roundhead had literally carte blanche to actually make a GOOD movie, instead of crawling up his own ass. instead of "I came to this island to die" just have his motive for hiding actually make sense. he left a fucking map after all, he WANTED to be found. remember all we saw in TFA was luke turning around, that's it.

as shit as TFA is (tbh it's competently shot, it's just that he story is retarded and boring as fuck), nothing was keeping roundhead and jarjar afterwards from actually putting some effort in. except they didn't, I've seen cheap-ass movie tie-in videogames riding on the brandname with more soul than that shit.
 
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Then why did you watch Andor if you hate Disney?

Look man, you want to waste 10 hours and you say its alright; fine, I believe you think that.
But I just laid out the case why the rest of us would rather do anything other watch it: because there is no point. You like it, cool I guess, the rest of us see no reason to invest time a "deep" show when it'll be shit on by disney the next time they need to hire some trannies to boost their ESG.
Oh, and also it's gonna be cancelled or changed into more wolfaboo faggot fan fic. More Chronicles of Lara Su than anything you would like. Don't forget that part.

As for what kills TFA for me? It'd probably be when they just have Rey perfectly do a mind trick without any training whatsoever because Episode 4 did that. It was so bad that even in the theater I went "what the actual fuck is that". That and the ADHD pacing were stuff even back in 2014 I noticed.

Though in retrospect it had to also be how choppy the first act was to save Oscar Isaac from becoming this gen's Sean Bean and Finn whooping as he slaughters his friends. That realization came about after around Ragu One and TLJ. TFA is a film that rapidly gets worse each time you think back to it. It's like a hoopty car about to die that is given fresh cosmetic work.
 
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Oh, and also it's gonna be cancelled or changed into more wolfaboo faggot fan fic. More Chronicles of Lara Su than anything you would like. Don't forget that part.

As for what kills TFA for me? It'd probably be when they just have Rey perfectly do a mind trick without any training whatsoever because Episode 4 did that. It was so bad that even in the theater I went "what the actual fuck is that". That and the ADHD pacing were stuff even back in 2014 I noticed.

Though in retrospect it had to also be how choppy the first act was to save Oscar Isaac from becoming this gen's Sean Bean and Finn whooping as he slaughters his friends. That realization came about after around Ragu One and TLJ. TFA is a film that rapidly gets worse each time you think back to it. It's like a hoopty car about to die that is given fresh cosmetic work.
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I just thought of a way that you could have the Sith be introduced into post-Ruusan, High Republic setting; you don’t use the Rule of Two Sith.

How many Sith Empires were there? You have the original one which fell in the Great Hyperspace War. Then Exar Kun’s Empire, Rehab’s and his followers, Vitatie’s Empire, the New Sith Empire. That’s thousands of years of dark side practitioners all across the galaxy. Uncountable tombs on lost and dead worlds, containing the teachings of the Sith.

Something that I do not believe has been emphasized is how unnatural the Sith are. They are not bound by the will of the Force. They manipulate it, abuse it, rape it. Engineering biological horrors like the Rakghoul, Terentateks, Leviathans. Building weapons like the Dark Reaper or the Sun Razor. Transforming themselves into inhuman monsters like Sion and Nihilius. You could go Lovecraftian with the Sith.

Have explorers land on an unknown planet and discover an ancient temple. Strange symbols line the walls depicting a humanoid figure bound in chains, other figures kneeling before it. Eventually the explorers find a tomb, a tablet in aruebesh begging the reader to keep it shut. A foolish explorer opens the tomb and then is shredded by flashes of red light. A figure floats out of the tomb, a wounded being encased in a burning suit of metal, wielding a lightsaber.

A Sith that fed on his own suffering to keep himself alive, only to have over a thousand years of being entombed alive drive him mad. The explorers have to find a way to seal him in the tomb or kill him. Otherwise the thing that was once a Sith Lord would escape to cause untold suffering throughout the galaxy.
 
the biggest tragedy of Mouse Wars is that at any single point basically any random pile of online mongs that actually like Star Wars could come up with a better and more profitable set of ideas in less than a day for any basic concept they tried
The other problem is Star Wars fatigue. Every other minute we get new Star Wars announced. New shows, movies, cartoons. None of it quality. Meanwhile HBO cancels a show of its cash cow series Game of Thrones because of a poor pilot (that was supposedly the most expensive pilot they had ever done). Even hardcore Star Wars fans can barely keep up with the amount of content. Do Star Wars fans have lives beyond their franchise?

Star Wars is like a lifestyle brand at this point. You either make it your entire life or you ignore it. Even if everything Disney did with Star Wars was like Godfather 1&2 quality the sheer amount of content is still too much for most to consume. Who even has the time to be a Star Wars fan anymore except for people with no lives? Being a Star Wars fan is like a full time career.

Another problem with Star Wars fatigue is that Disney's online army of paid posters are infesting social media. Someone clearly has an administrative account on reddit to spam every single media related forum with posts about Andor. The television subreddits are literally spammed nonstop with Andor and Star Wars posts uncontested. So even trying to ignore Star Wars is impossible because Disney wants everyone to be aware of every Star Wars project no matter how disinterested in the franchise that they are.
 
The other problem is Star Wars fatigue. Every other minute we get new Star Wars announced. New shows, movies, cartoons. None of it quality. Meanwhile HBO cancels a show of its cash cow series Game of Thrones because of a poor pilot (that was supposedly the most expensive pilot they had ever done). Even hardcore Star Wars fans can barely keep up with the amount of content. Do Star Wars fans have lives beyond their franchise?

Star Wars is like a lifestyle brand at this point. You either make it your entire life or you ignore it. Even if everything Disney did with Star Wars was like Godfather 1&2 quality the sheer amount of content is still too much for most to consume. Who even has the time to be a Star Wars fan anymore except for people with no lives? Being a Star Wars fan is like a full time career.

Another problem with Star Wars fatigue is that Disney's online army of paid posters are infesting social media. Someone clearly has an administrative account on reddit to spam every single media related forum with posts about Andor. The television subreddits are literally spammed nonstop with Andor and Star Wars posts uncontested. So even trying to ignore Star Wars is impossible because Disney wants everyone to be aware of every Star Wars project no matter how disinterested in the franchise that they are.


Disney plundered, scorched, looted, raped and salted a healthy franchise. The Mongols took Baghdad in a way more collected, subdued, considerate and restricted manner.
 
I figure nine different pirate lords and ladies, with one eventually being proclaimed King as the threads resolve makes the best combination of creating several potential major characters, campaigns, and establishes the seeds of resentment from those in the Core. Also any Chiss privateer being the leader would've been too samey, which is too big of an issue.

Also I'll be honest I thought seven was too samey, since a lot of anime abuses seven bad asses as their standard.


Thrawn Blackbeard represents himself, but also makes the Chiss realize that as a race, they can start stepping out from their sector in the Unknown Regions as he serves as the Blackbeard of his people. More see his example and his methods as a viable way to leave their home planet Csilla, which during this time is at a slightly hobbled tech disadvantage (although they have mastered the rudiments of spaceflight, the introduction of the hyperdrive through trade thanks to Proto-Thrawn kicks everything into overdrive)

Haruun Kal- A nod to Mace Windu, but along the lines of Mr Glass personality-wise. He isn't an extremist like Mace Windu is; rather, if we're going by the pirate analogue based from history, he's Benjamin Hornigold. He's gentlemanly enough, sophisticated thanks to his years trading and being exposed to everything from the core worlds to the outer rim, but isn't afraid to throw down rough and fight dirty if the situation calls for it. He is looking to elevate his people in the power vacuum and is inspired by how the Mandalorians went from backwater farmers to a superpower in their own right during the Pre-Ruusan age.

Zeltron - I imagine a trio of from the royal families of Zeltron (twin girls and a bastard son) being three separate candidates among the Nine Lords. Since we're going to a midsection time so long removed, Zeltron still has a monarchy (as do multiple planets and species during this time) and different families in their monarchy are vying for their planet's throne.

--- The twin sisters are from one family who has dealings with Mace Windu Hornigold, a lucrative trade of narcotics, alcohol and pleasure-workers that he can supply offworld, and they have their sights to take it to the next level and try to monopolize when the time is right.

--- The bastard son is from another royal family with a claim to the throne after he's convinced by Thrawn Blackbeard to "take what's rightfully his" after his mother was shoved aside and he wasn't acknowledged until decades later, Killmonger-style. He has his sights on reforming Zeltron before wanting to take it starward-bound further, having been on the receiving end of injustice on the bottom tiers of his society.

Falleen - The beginning of their society's Mafia-style restructuring from the old ways of royalty starts here. If Romeo and Juliet eloped and went after both their families together, the Falleen have a new Magnate and Magnaria as the first of their line. They strike a deal with the Mon Calamari (Who during this time, take the role of the oppressors of the Quarren) to construct a fleet of ships for their nascent armed forces. Escalation will step up as Thrawn Blackbeard and Mace Hornigold take notice and move positions.

Oh that's perfectly fair. I still do like the concept of a flare up of bounty hunting as a profession. It'd also allow you to play with whatever mix of westerns or samurai style films you wish. Honestly I'd have included more of them as characters than Jedi, since every bounty hunter has a story. Honestly the protagonist for that half would likely be a young fuck up who went into bounty hunting to rebuild an identity and try to find redemption/security in life.

A Miraluka primary protagonist who has lost his connection to the force due to the Force Bomb at the battle of Ruusan. He becomes a Marshal along a backwater town after he's been wandering for some time, but the people realize he's a fallen Jedi, and his connection gets reestablished when the town (and other settlements) have the taint of the dark side among them that only he can see, and it's growing, embedded into the people from the Force Bomb before.

This is about where I'd go for Sith. At best you only ever deal with their apprentice, and the master at best in small snippets as the hidden dread. At worst, it's just plain paranoia that makes you think they're actually there, but honestly aren't.

Also a sect of Dark Jedi who essentially become inhuman and emotionless monsters would be a more interesting twist. No sith lightning BS, none of that in the open. Just their techniques used for ill.

Like a Dark Jedi with actual fucking Dim Mak style death touch kung fu.

I'm not getting any particular ideas at work right now (Since it's 3:47AM here and I can't be bothered at work but having fun here) but love @Imperial Citizen's take on a possible Sith!

I just thought of a way that you could have the Sith be introduced into post-Ruusan, High Republic setting; you don’t use the Rule of Two Sith.

How many Sith Empires were there? You have the original one which fell in the Great Hyperspace War. Then Exar Kun’s Empire, Rehab’s and his followers, Vitatie’s Empire, the New Sith Empire. That’s thousands of years of dark side practitioners all across the galaxy. Uncountable tombs on lost and dead worlds, containing the teachings of the Sith.

Something that I do not believe has been emphasized is how unnatural the Sith are. They are not bound by the will of the Force. They manipulate it, abuse it, rape it. Engineering biological horrors like the Rakghoul, Terentateks, Leviathans. Building weapons like the Dark Reaper or the Sun Razor. Transforming themselves into inhuman monsters like Sion and Nihilius. You could go Lovecraftian with the Sith.

Have explorers land on an unknown planet and discover an ancient temple. Strange symbols line the walls depicting a humanoid figure bound in chains, other figures kneeling before it. Eventually the explorers find a tomb, a tablet in aruebesh begging the reader to keep it shut. A foolish explorer opens the tomb and then is shredded by flashes of red light. A figure floats out of the tomb, a wounded being encased in a burning suit of metal, wielding a lightsaber.

A Sith that fed on his own suffering to keep himself alive, only to have over a thousand years of being entombed alive drive him mad. The explorers have to find a way to seal him in the tomb or kill him. Otherwise the thing that was once a Sith Lord would escape to cause untold suffering throughout the galaxy.

This is great stuff gentlemen. A Golden Age of Piracy in space and then we also have an eldritch, supernatural approach to the Sith. It's more akin to the adventures of Indiana Jones during the Hyborian Age. Hope we can do more of these because it's fun!
 
The other problem is Star Wars fatigue. Every other minute we get new Star Wars announced. New shows, movies, cartoons. None of it quality. Meanwhile HBO cancels a show of its cash cow series Game of Thrones because of a poor pilot (that was supposedly the most expensive pilot they had ever done). Even hardcore Star Wars fans can barely keep up with the amount of content. Do Star Wars fans have lives beyond their franchise?

Counter Point: We get how much MCU shit?

Its less Star Wars fatigue and more about the content being shit.
If Disney had kept the plan they'd given investors of Main-line release every other year and a "Story" film the others, it would have set in sure. But their assumption was "Star Wars = Bigger, more rabid market than marvel. Fags, Niggerlovers, Feminists = Zero standards. Ergo Star Wars + Niggers, Strong Females, Spics, Chinks, and Fags = Unlimited cash". They tried to apply the Marvel formula without understanding they were different beasts and they couldn't. And they keep forgetting that screaming death-cult eunuchs on twitter don't actually consume (much less payfor) the properties or products they scream and tantrum demanding changes.
Just because you remove the parts they hate doesn't mean they'll watch it, they just have the West Coast mindset of if I don't like it, you can't either.
 
Counter Point: We get how much MCU shit?

Its less Star Wars fatigue and more about the content being shit.
The difference is that I have almost no idea what is going on in comic book shows anymore because the marketing is not ubiquitous and omnipresent. Star Wars is marketed to everyone including people who hate Star Wars. It is like Disney has an agenda to bombard the entire social consciousness of America with Star Wars promotional material and the push is infinite and unrelenting. We get it. You own Star wars. I cannot name a single professional cricket team yet cricket is one of the most popular sports in the world and has far more fans than Star Wars.

And fatigue can happen with high quality media as well. People can get burnt out on their favorite shows and games. Sports do not last the entire year round. People need a break. There is no escape from Star Wars. Because the brand is no longer about movies and films. It is an unyielding cavalcade and procession of products day in and out that requires the Star Wars name to be branded on everything. Washing machines, refrigerators, soda, coffee creamer, waffle makers, soup. George Lucas had a hand in selling out the brand to these levels before Disney so he is partially to blame.

What do waffle makers and tape dispensers and aquariums have to do with intergalactic battles and Jedi powers? Yet Disney's entire concentration on Star Wars is literally nothing to do with characters and lore but all about stamping "STAR WARS" on as many kitchen appliances or soups cans as possible.
 
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The difference is that I have almost no idea what is going on in comic book shows anymore because the marketing is not ubiquitous and omnipresent. Star Wars is marketed to everyone including people who hate Star Wars. It is like Disney has an agenda to bombard the entire social consciousness of America with Star Wars promotional material and the push is infinite and unrelenting. We get it. You own Star wars. I cannot name a single professional cricket team yet cricket is one of the most popular sports in the world and has far more fans than Star Wars.

And fatigue can happen with high quality media as well. People can get burnt out on their favorite shows and games. Sports do not last the entire year round. People need a break. There is no escape from Star Wars. Because the brand is no longer about movies and films. It is an unyielding cavalcade and procession of products day in and out that requires the Star Wars name to be branded on everything. Washing machines, refrigerators, soda, coffee creamer, waffle makers, soup. George Lucas had a hand in selling out the brand to these levels before Disney so he is partially to blame.

What do waffle makers and tape dispensers and aquariums have to do with intergalactic battles and Jedi powers? Yet Disney's entire concentration on Star Wars is literally nothing to do with characters and lore but all about stamping "STAR WARS" on as many kitchen appliances or soups cans as possible.

That's why I said it'd have set in eventually, but it arrived quickly because it was shit.

MCU can do a higher saturatation because the stories are modular, and while there are the big "collaborative" events you don't need to watch the Thor movies to follow the Captain America movies, or get what's going on with Avengers. But even then, since Capeshit is the new Wrestling move, audiences are tiring. Its a completely decentralized narrative where you generally only have to care about the part you like (or the events are so major you can't help but hear about them) even as they encourage you engage in ancillary media.

This doesn't work with Star Wars. Star Wars is an extremely centralized strong-character & event driven narrative (a space opera) with more thought put into the world building in places than it deserves, which gives the option of side stories. You can write a shitty spiderman story line or have a She-Hulk story line where Skrulls invade L.A. and it doesn't really affect any of the other stories. You write a shitty central narrative story, and you have now poisoned the well and killed all the side stories.

Disney didn't get this.
 
Counter Point: We get how much MCU shit?

Its less Star Wars fatigue and more about the content being shit.
There is also one other aspect.

Movie Wise (lets ignore the Expanded Universe most people don't read those) Star wars was 1 Great movie, 2 Good movies, One passable and two crap movies. Phase 1 Marvel had a lot of good stuff in it. Shit I will watch Hulk and Thor over Phantom and Clones all day every day, I would even watch Thor over Return of the Sith. It's really hard to try and jam a bunch of shit down people's throats when your best stuff is from 1970s instead of the 2010s

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I'm not an abused wife, I still despise Disney and modern star wars. I'm just honestly telling yall I enjoy Andor and it is well made. Alot of my friends on here are bashing it but have not actually watched it for any length or at all.

Yeah, Andor is really good. I do find it annoying to see various YouTubers, articles, posters and other such things saying, "I have not and will not watch Andor because Disney Star Wars."

It really is where fandom does become retarded. Especially the ones that acknowledge it is meant to be good but still won't watch. So then shit like Obi-Wan will have had higher ratings. What will that result in for the quality of future Star Wars?

Onto the MCU discussion. It's going to all fall of a cliff hard. Too much. I am someone who has seen every MCU film in cinema, besides what was just Streaming. I didn't watch all the TV shows, but most. Thought they were mostly not good.

I saw and didn't like Wakanda Forever. The problem is that Elaine shows up, I know she was in the TV shows. I don't fucking remember who she was. The trailer for the new Ant-Man ends with some guy. Was he the guy from the end of the Loki series? I have no fucking clue if it's the same guy or someone entirely different. There's too much shit now and it's all disposable content.
 
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There is also one other aspect.

Movie Wise (lets ignore the Expanded Universe most people don't read those) Star wars was 1 Great movie, 2 Good movies, One passable and two crap movies. Phase 1 Marvel had a lot of good stuff in it. Shit I will watch Hulk and Thor over Phantom and Clones all day every day, I would even watch Thor over Return of the Sith. It's really hard to try and jam a bunch of shit down people's throats when your best stuff is from 1970s instead of the 2010s

Edit : In before some Nigger Faggot Rees about "MUH CAPESHIT"

MUH CAPESHIT

Also, while you aren't wrong about Phase 1 having generally good output- First Thor and any of the solo hulk movies were garbage and I'll take Phantom over them and Clones as long as I can fast forward/chapter skip.

Ironman was good, I liked watching it, but has almost no rewatch value; none of the MCU films do. I will say this for Lucas' spergery: he was film nerd so you can ignore the film and watch for all the things he was doing with setups and shots. Any capeshit is just CGI explosions.

The problem is that Elaine shows up, I know she was in the TV shows. I don't fucking remember who she was. The trailer for the new Ant-Man ends with some guy. Was he the guy from the end of the Loki series? I have no fucking clue if it's the same guy or someone entirely different. There's too much shit now and it's all disposable content.

And you are correct, just like in the comic books this is coming too. They narratives are getting less self-contained and are starting to rely on specialized knowledge. Though Marvel has been setting themselves up for a continuity wipe and generally being able to retroactively fixing continuity errors by introducing the Multiverse (Dr. Strange) and Time Travel (Loki series).

Also apologies for leaving you off the list of abused wives.
 
MUH CAPESHIT

Also, while you aren't wrong about Phase 1 having generally good output- First Thor and any of the solo hulk movies were garbage and I'll take Phantom over them and Clones as long as I can fast forward/chapter skip.

Ironman was good, I liked watching it, but has almost no rewatch value; none of the MCU films do. I will say this for Lucas' spergery: he was film nerd so you can ignore the film and watch for all the things he was doing with setups and shots. Any capeshit is just CGI explosions.



And you are correct, just like in the comic books this is coming too. They narratives are getting less self-contained and are starting to rely on specialized knowledge. Though Marvel has been setting themselves up for a continuity wipe and generally being able to retroactively fixing continuity errors by introducing the Multiverse (Dr. Strange) and Time Travel (Loki series).

Also apologies for leaving you off the list of abused wives.

In fact, this is something that has been pointed out I don't agree with: That Marvel's self contained stories within a shared universe preclude from them being ruined by a disastrous overall narrative.

Shared universes aren't but a business model and they can never be self-contained. It worked for years in the comics where they'd find a sweet spot between self containment and the need to read series you wouldn't otherwise read if you weren't forced to do so in this manner.

I'll save the comicsperg. TL;DR it worked, it doesn't anymore.

Disney was retarded with Marvel before they were with Star Wars and right after end-game they started fucking with the overall narrative to the point that nobody but marvel drones is really excited anymore about the MCU.

When they try to do this with Star Wars, it was a disaster for all the reasons you explained. But the core principle is that they were never competent. They somehow managed to alienate the big nerds behind Phase 1 who were the ones carrying its success and it shows.

I don't like capeshit, but it's a well known drama.
 
MUH CAPESHIT
It is interesting, I have little desire to go back and watch the MCU films. If I ever think back, it's only specific ones. Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, End game. No others.

And you are correct, just like in the comic books this is coming too. They narratives are getting less self-contained and are starting to rely on specialized knowledge. Though Marvel has been setting themselves up for a continuity wipe and generally being able to retroactively fixing continuity errors by introducing the Multiverse (Dr. Strange) and Time Travel (Loki series).

I also think there's an issue where things are getting too specific to comics. I didn't know who the fuck Nick Fury was at the end of Iron Man. I could quickly get up to speed. Now there's all these characters from more obscure things, where the knowledge is less widespread. I also don't think anyone cares to explain. We're meant to just watch. There's some cannon or source material.

You could understand Thanos is someone important, despite not knowing him.

Now it's just characters that aren't explained being in things. Where you understand they're "important" but they're not explained or set up and you don't give a shit. You're meant to just assume there's something from some comic books. At some point they will have importance.

It seems the well is running dry, but they're just adding stuff without context.

Also apologies for leaving you off the list of abused wives.

I will watch Willow and you can't stop me!
 
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The other problem is Star Wars fatigue. Every other minute we get new Star Wars announced. New shows, movies, cartoons. None of it quality. Meanwhile HBO cancels a show of its cash cow series Game of Thrones because of a poor pilot (that was supposedly the most expensive pilot they had ever done). Even hardcore Star Wars fans can barely keep up with the amount of content. Do Star Wars fans have lives beyond their franchise?
To be fair, back in the early 2000s, you also had a flood of Star Wars content. Loads of new games, novels, comics, action figures, the only thing missing was a TV presence, which TCW and the 2003 Clone Wars show shored up. And yes, people did get Star Wars fatigue back in the day. Even the hardcore fans who can tell the difference between Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders and Mandalorian Supercommandos. The KOTOR fans got fatigued by the time of SWTOR; the book fans quit during either the Vong saga or Legacy of the Force. LOTF got Mara Jade and Jacen Solo killed, two favorites from the books, while SWTOR and the Revan novel dragged Revan and the Jedi Exile through the mud, causing many fans to quit. Just as TLJ handling Luke poorly through the lens of SJW critical theory caused many normies to quit on the sequels, the fans of the books and games quit after their darling heroes were treated poorly in later installments.

Star Wars is like a lifestyle brand at this point. You either make it your entire life or you ignore it. Even if everything Disney did with Star Wars was like Godfather 1&2 quality the sheer amount of content is still too much for most to consume. Who even has the time to be a Star Wars fan anymore except for people with no lives? Being a Star Wars fan is like a full time career.
The Star Trek fans made their brand a lifestyle long before Star Wars even entered the picture. And before them, LOTR fans were also similarly obsessed, especially hippies who got along with its anti-industry message. And yes, Trek fans were basically full-time fanboys, to the point where they themselves lived as Trek characters. And the trend continues today. Capeshit fans, Warhammer 40K fans, the Star Wars fandom is rarely alone when it comes to being career geeks.

Another problem with Star Wars fatigue is that Disney's online army of paid posters are infesting social media. Someone clearly has an administrative account on reddit to spam every single media related forum with posts about Andor. The television subreddits are literally spammed nonstop with Andor and Star Wars posts uncontested. So even trying to ignore Star Wars is impossible because Disney wants everyone to be aware of every Star Wars project no matter how disinterested in the franchise that they are.
That's the new part, but it's the result of the rise of social media and corporations wanting to take advantage of it. As for Andor, again, a lot of the fervor for that show comes from lore nuts who like the fact that it's a show without space cowboys or laser swords, treating Star Wars from a practical standpoint. I've seen people who criticized the Sequels loving the shit out of Andor. Meanwhile, Disney's usual audience of normies who tune in to see shit blow up (the biggest consumer of things like the Mandalorian, TCW, and the MCU) are rather bored with Andor because they don't really give a shit about the politics or the social impact of the Empire's rule.
 
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MUH CAPESHIT

Also, while you aren't wrong about Phase 1 having generally good output- First Thor and any of the solo hulk movies were garbage and I'll take Phantom over them and Clones as long as I can fast forward/chapter skip.

Ironman was good, I liked watching it, but has almost no rewatch value; none of the MCU films do. I will say this for Lucas' spergery: he was film nerd so you can ignore the film and watch for all the things he was doing with setups and shots. Any capeshit is just CGI explosions.



And you are correct, just like in the comic books this is coming too. They narratives are getting less self-contained and are starting to rely on specialized knowledge. Though Marvel has been setting themselves up for a continuity wipe and generally being able to retroactively fixing continuity errors by introducing the Multiverse (Dr. Strange) and Time Travel (Loki series).

Also apologies for leaving you off the list of abused wives.
Iron Man 2 is kinda worth rewatching... any of the scenes Black Widow is in anyway, they dolled up Scarlett Johansson fine af for that movie
 
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In fact, this is something that has been pointed out I don't agree with: That Marvel's self contained stories within a shared universe preclude from them being ruined by a disastrous overall narrative.

Shared universes aren't but a business model and they can never be self-contained. It worked for years in the comics where they'd find a sweet spot between self containment and the need to read series you wouldn't otherwise read if you weren't forced to do so in this manner.

I'll save the comicsperg. TL;DR it worked, it doesn't anymore.

Disney was retarded with Marvel before they were with Star Wars and right after end-game they started fucking with the overall narrative to the point that nobody but marvel drones is really excited anymore about the MCU.

When they try to do this with Star Wars, it was a disaster for all the reasons you explained. But the core principle is that they were never competent. They somehow managed to alienate the big nerds behind Phase 1 who were the ones carrying its success and it shows.

I don't like capeshit, but it's a well known drama.

I checked all the way out on capeshit after Endgame. I might say its because they killed tony stark to promote a much of wahmen and niggers, but honestly I was pretty well done caring to that point, and the resolution was just outright dumb.

Its possible to have a larger narrative fuck up contained stories, you really have to try. And as you pointed out, Disney is trying really, super hard to do just that. I mainly meant that Star Wars is built on a strong central narrative an if you fuck with that central narrative trying for cheap shock value or memberberries, you fuck with everything attached.

Vs Marvel Disney, where especially with the multiverse and time travel thye can say "oh no that a different time line". Which only works so often, but gives you a Save vs. Writing Team going woke. Tony Stark dies in Endgame, but you can write a story in a multiverse where he doesnt, or time-traveling loki saves him or w/e.

Iron Man 2 is kinda worth rewatching... any of the scenes Black Widow is in anyway

Fair.
 
I checked all the way out on capeshit after Endgame. I might say its because they killed tony stark to promote a much of wahmen and niggers, but honestly I was pretty well done caring to that point, and the resolution was just outright dumb.
Basically, the whole MCU built itself up to fight Thanos as a final boss, and with him gone, there's nothing left. It's like SWTOR: when old man Valkorion/Vitiate finally kicked the bucket, there was nothing left that was substantial. Now you just have a war-weary Republic/Empire slapfighting over bullshit, when really, they should just have a second Treaty of Coruscant and call off the war for a couple decades or maybe even a few centuries.

Its possible to have a larger narrative fuck up contained stories, you really have to try. And as you pointed out, Disney is trying really, super hard to do just that. I mainly meant that Star Wars is built on a strong central narrative an if you fuck with that central narrative trying for cheap shock value or memberberries, you fuck with everything attached.

Vs Marvel Disney, where especially with the multiverse and time travel thye can say "oh no that a different time line". Which only works so often, but gives you a Save vs. Writing Team going woke. Tony Stark dies in Endgame, but you can write a story in a multiverse where he doesnt, or time-traveling loki saves him or w/e.
Didn't they already introduce multiverse and time travel fuckery with Rebels? That would actually be good if some SWEU fan bought Disney in the future. At this point, if I got control of Disney, I'd just use that and have Din Djarin go through a time portal and stab Palpatine on Exogol, and have that cause a butterfly effect that leads to the events of the Thrawn Trilogy, the Dark Empire comics, the Crimson Empire comics, and the Jedi Knight games happening.
 
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