When you began to see the world differently ? (I mean politically, ideologically and morally wise)

[PipTheAlchemist]

Back in the day, George H. W. Bush was the worst thing since Adolf Hitler for.... what exactly? To this day, I still don't know what he did that merited the comparison (besides starting a generational war in the Middle East, but that would be more comparable to the Soviets than Germany.)

George Bush was a terrible president, and an even worse pilot. He did 9/11 AND Hurricane Katrina

 

[Ewan McGregor]

George Bush was a terrible president, and an even worse pilot. He did 9/11 AND Hurricane Katrina

In all seriousness, the Bushes are an immensely creepy family.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

It reminds a bit of the classic line "In their final moments people show you who they really are.", while it wasnt the literal case of that, a lot of these people legit believed their lives were threatened and they were quick to drop their morals and ideals, or rather, the illusion of those, in favor for daddy government to save them.

They dropped their mental faculties first. The vaccine (or any vaccine) will not give one 100% immunity against the infection, so why the insistence on vaccine passports? Everybody can be a carrier, vaccinated or not. It's embarrassing to watch adult people getting played as if they were sped kids. The police, the government, that venue attendant checking passes... WeRe OnLy FoLlOwInG OrDeRs.

Now I’m alienated from everything and I basically think there is a uniparty that controls the people via propaganda and media brainwashing.

Congrats. It might have taken you some time, but you're finally there. Have a cookie.

 

[The handsome tard]

They dropped their mental faculties first. The vaccine (or any vaccine) will not give one 100% immunity against the infection, so why the insistence on vaccine passports? Everybody can be a carrier, vaccinated or not. It's embarrassing to watch adult people getting played as if they were sped kids. The police, the government, that venue attendant checking passes... WeRe OnLy FoLlOwInG OrDeRs.

You will be surprised how much people cant stand being wrong. Tribalism sets in fast with them. At this point, they cant entertain the possibility that they have been duped the whole time, or else it will mean not only they have been wrong but every horrible thing they did to the "correct targets" was all for nothing. You think the average joe can stand that sort of guilt?

That is assuming they care. There is a legit chance a good number of them do not.

Trump was an MRI upon this country. He revealed how many amoral, malicious psychopaths are in our midst. All by being one of the first to openly defy them.

Thats the thing that even those like us that dont like Trump need to admit, he was a rogue element that forced them into exposing themselves and we just havent seen something of that magnitude happening before. He felt unexpected and uncontrolled.
It also reminds me of another timeless quote from Joker during the Interrogation scene (honesly nearly everything he says in that scene alone is timeless, for better and worse)

"The mobs wanted you gone so they could go back to the way things were. But I know the truth, there is no going back. You have changed things, forever."

They may have gotten rid of Trump but it doesnt change what has been done and what has been exposed. They dropped the mask and now we see what they really look like underneath it.

For that alone should make Trump worth of some respect even to his critics

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I used to be a socialist/communist and thought everything would be great if only we had socialism, and the reason we don't is because the megacorporations ruling us and using their propaganda to trick the people. Then in 2015 there was a string of terrorist attacks in France and the socialist response was "well they shouldn't have provoked the poor refugees of imperialist wars" which immediately made me go WTF since that's absolutely insane. Like I used to defend cultural relativism (which was like the one woke belief I had, everything else like feminism or gay rights I just wanted equality) because all these immigrants could be footsoldiers for communism one day but that helped me realize how fucking stupid that belief is. The BLM riots (where the socialist view was that it wasn't about race but because they were poor) really hammered that home for me.

Then I read up on how modern Western democracy and society evolved and learned that we already live under socialism and this is totally condoned by the megacorporations. I read some Tsarist absolutist literature (ironically for a college class) and realized they had a point with the criticisms of democracy and how global capitalism causes moral rot. Mussolini even better enunciated those claims. It's mindblowing to learn that things you take for granted like democracy and socialism and equality being unqualified "good" are false. I hadn't read any NRx stuff at the time because I'd read excerpts years ago and thought it was stupid back when I was a commie, but looking back I'd say I independently came to many of the same realizations Moldbug, Land, etc. did about what they call "the Cathedral." Trump's election just proved everything I had determined--most people are brainless sheep led around by what the elite tell them.

The 2020 scamdemic was definitely an awakening in itself since I learned the people in charge aren't stupid but actively hateful. It also taught me that even science, which I used to trust in and thought would bring about a utopia, was nothing but another tool for them and indeed was just as much a religion as Christianity. See, my parents brought me to church as a kid, and even though I don't believe in Christianity, it was very good for me since it vaccinated me against irrational bullshit like believing the world is 6,000 years old or that God hates men having long hair. The "pandemic" tripped those exact single bullshit detectors with all the bullshit about lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccine nonsense. It also proved to me that most people don't reject Christianity because they find it false, they reject it because they associate it with their parents/bullies/whoever.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Then in 2015 there was a string of terrorist attacks in France and the socialist response was "well they shouldn't have provoked the poor refugees of imperialist wars"

The bleeding Pope sided with the terrorists

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

See, my parents brought me to church as a kid, and even though I don't believe in Christianity, it was very good for me since it vaccinated me against irrational bullshit like believing the world is 6,000 years old or that God hates men having long hair.

I could never understand the latter belief of Christianity that many Christians had. Not to sound like a cringy-as-fuck 2000's-era atheist, but Jesus Christ is always depicted as having long hair. To my understanding, Christians aim to be more "Christ-like". While a superficial trait, having long hair would probably make you more like Jesus Christ. So if anything, men having short hair should probably be considered to be going against God in Christianity

I know a lot of the especially fundamentalist sects of Christanity emphasize men and women looking and presenting themselves as very different from one-another, but it wasn't like Jesus would've been confused for being a woman/troon. He still had a beard and shit

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

You will be surprised how much people cant stand being wrong. Tribalism sets in fast with them. At this point, they cant entertain the possibility that they have been duped the whole time, or else it will mean not only they have been wrong but every horrible thing they did to the "correct targets" was all for nothing. You think the average joe can stand that sort of guilt?

That's right! The guilt-tripping has to continue until morale critical thinking improves!

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

I stopped caring about any and all politics when I learned how the US government actually works. It doesn't matter if you go left or right, you're going to end up with tyranny. Our system is set up so that it's in a constant tug-of-war which forces things to be somewhere near the middle. Public opinion is just going to keep swaying back and forth. Democrats are in charge and do stupid shit. Republicans talk about how they'll save everyone. They get put in charge and do stupid shit. Democrats talk about how they'll save everyone. It just goes on forever.
Then the other thing is that the government is supposed to be a giant mess. In order to keep stupid crap from going through and becoming legal, the system has to be slow and inefficient. It's pretty demoralizing. At the end of the day very few people what what's best for everyone, they just want what's best for them. So when I see people campaigning for anything, it all just seems like a waste of time.

 

[Ser Prize]

COVID truly was an eye opener, but not for the reasons they claim it was.

We saw how these people are really like and how open arm-ed they are with big government having the type of control it shouldnt ever have, even those that once claimed "big gov bad".

It reminds a bit of the classic line "In their final moments people show you who they really are.", while it wasnt the literal case of that, a lot of these people legit believed their lives were threatened and they were quick to drop their morals and ideals, or rather, the illusion of those, in favor for daddy government to save them. Its just so surreal to see liberals and dems demand for more government intervention when they always built their identities on government control being a bad thing. It really shows that these people cannot be believed nor trusted, ever, especially in a tough situation that requires integrity, loyalty and courage.

But I guess its the classic situation of them not hating the whip, simply that they are not the ones wielding it.


The people following those did lose their minds, assuming they ever did.

The people in charge tho, didnt, because they are 100% aware of what they are doing.

I always remind people that dem leaders arent as stupid as their voters. They know how to play the politics game and cheat whenever necessary. There is no "losing fairly" for them.


The fucked up thing is that bailing out companies is what probably started, or at least aided, into the neo-feudalism that we are heading towards to today. Made these companies feel like they are unstoppable...and I guess by that point they were.

Part of me wonders if that was intentional or not


Commies are petty backstabbing power hungry assholes by nature. Most "union" fuckheads are.

A lot of these "workers first" types tend to be the pigs from Animal Farm. What they want is to be the ones ontop instead of actually helping workers.


Like the classic line says

"When we win, dont forget these people wanted you dead and replaced, your children raped and brainwashed and they find it hilarious"

They will ask for mercy and understanding when they would grant us none if the roles were reversed

If you want a classier version of that quote

"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert"​

 

[whogoesthere]

It wasn't a particular moment, a particular story or a particular incident. It was a slow deconstruction I was subjected to by people that I had otherwise supported, where each of my beliefs was smashed, each of my cherished memories were corrupted, each of my friends was turned into a raving lunatic, each of my hobbies were demolished, every identity I had subscribed to was turned moot and my heart was broken and my soul was murdered.

This started around 2014 and has been going on ever since, though I've grown used to it to an extent.

Learn to truly accept it. Once that happens, start freeing yourself from its shackles. The one things those in power need for you to stay a slave is fear. Fear of personal attack, or verbal attacks, or career or money attacks. All these vectors of attack are kept poised so as to strike at any time. How many people do you see brought down by some old tweet? its about reminding people that everything you love and are addicted to can be taken away at a moment's notice, for things most of us have done at some point. The rules are not the ideal, its the rule itself that matters. Trannies are in now, but they will be out one day, and something else will replace it. But the fear will never stop, it only changes when the current thing is somewhat normalised (not the act, but people just getting fatigue with the specific fear. IE From 2000 to now it was terrorists, bankers, terrorists part 2 (ISIS) and so on).

So in order to actually be happy and free, you have to just let that shit go. Take now for example, the kids turned into trannies. That's scary, and also cruel. You want to help because as a human, you tend to want to protect the young. Won't somebody think of the children?!. Just let it go. Kids were being drowned in the Nile 4000 years ago, and I am sure some Gypos were pedos as well. It never stops, its always going to be part of life. And really, if you concentrated every thought, every fibre of your being to stopping this, what could you actually achive. Nothing. You cannot fight such a massive system, and to do so is to play into their hands anyway. The true victory is freeing yourself from the doom and fear, because that's what they really want. If you somehow, through a fucking magic spell was able to stop kids getting trooned out, it would just move onto to the next big thing. Tide pods or some English slapper pretending her soon died from a tik tok challenge. It only stops when you stop being afraid.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Well I used to lean more left, then after seeing mainstream left-wingers go insane this decade I thought maybe right-wingers might be getting portrayed unfairly by the left. Then I observed right-wingers and realized they are even dumber than how the left portrays them. I guess humans are just a really dumb species.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Learn to truly accept it. Once that happens, start freeing yourself from its shackles. The one things those in power need for you to stay a slave is fear. Fear of personal attack, or verbal attacks, or career or money attacks. All these vectors of attack are kept poised so as to strike at any time. How many people do you see brought down by some old tweet? its about reminding people that everything you love and are addicted to can be taken away at a moment's notice, for things most of us have done at some point. The rules are not the ideal, its the rule itself that matters. Trannies are in now, but they will be out one day, and something else will replace it. But the fear will never stop, it only changes when the current thing is somewhat normalised (not the act, but people just getting fatigue with the specific fear. IE From 2000 to now it was terrorists, bankers, terrorists part 2 (ISIS) and so on).

So in order to actually be happy and free, you have to just let that shit go. Take now for example, the kids turned into trannies. That's scary, and also cruel. You want to help because as a human, you tend to want to protect the young. Won't somebody think of the children?!. Just let it go. Kids were being drowned in the Nile 4000 years ago, and I am sure some Gypos were pedos as well. It never stops, its always going to be part of life. And really, if you concentrated every thought, every fibre of your being to stopping this, what could you actually achive. Nothing. You cannot fight such a massive system, and to do so is to play into their hands anyway. The true victory is freeing yourself from the doom and fear, because that's what they really want. If you somehow, through a fucking magic spell was able to stop kids getting trooned out, it would just move onto to the next big thing. Tide pods or some English slapper pretending her soon died from a tik tok challenge. It only stops when you stop being afraid.

Laugh at the circus, for you can never truly burn down the tents.

I went through a full blown blackpilling and it took years to really straighten out afterwards, your words ring true for those who have gone through the meltdown of having your whole world view destroyed.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Pardon me, this is going to be bit of a rant. I've always been bit of a contrarian, occasionally pushing against the popular narrative yet I used to contradict that.

Spoiler: Long

In regard to the LGBT. I started out being in full support of them and vehemently defended trannies. Until around early last year, I think. Nowadays, I'm more indifferent to it because I don't care that fags fag up their bedroom or whatever. I also don't care that trannies are mutilating themselves. It's their bodies, it's their fuckups. Not my problem.

What helped change this however was the fact that online trannies and fags tend to be the most annoying fucking people in the world. Always talking about how uwu queer they are and how being on hormones is like 7th heaven. It's retarded and annoying. Trannies taking everything as transphobic also made me hate them a little.

You could talk about women's vaginas and they'd be like "Uhm transphobic. Not all women have vaginas"
I tend to not like people who make everything about them or something as mundane as gender identity. I also tend to dislike idiots who want the world to bow and suck their girl dick or bussy or whatever.

I have always been resistant towards BLM but with the news slowly waking up, I feel more comfortable about that.

And as for the news itself, I don't fucking trust them at all.
That started two years ago when blatant lies and misrepresentation for an agenda became known. It's crazy that no one believes that in my country. That opinion only continued to solidify when the news began fully supporting Kamala Harris and Biden plus Ukraine and painted Russia as Nazi Germany 2.0.

Politicians in general are also germs I've never trusted.
History and by extension, the school system was something I began distrusting after I graduated high school. It might be because a lot of the material used was outdated since schools are somewhat underfunded here.

I recall being taught Geography using maps that still had Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union on them and teachers had to pretend that the Soviet Union still existed by just calling it "a name change" when more astute kids would point out that it's called Russia and that there was a reason behind said name change.

Most of what I learned about history, I researched myself because the school curriculum cannot be trusted.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I see it differently every year, but here are some things I realized years ago, that I still think hold true.

People want to feel meaning in their life. When they don't have enough meaning, the easiest way to supplement it is to give themselves over to something that they feel is greater than themselves. This can be god and religion, a glorious political cause, even family to a degree. I think that the difference between the three is that family is something that has a very low chance to go toxic. Most people who are ultra into politics or religion (especially suddenly) I think are trying to find purpose by thrusting themselves into something greater than the sum of what they feel that they currently are- their own crusade, if you will.

The other is, if you can't even fix your own interpersonal issues, what chance do you have to fix society's?

Focus on yourself, your own life, your own problems. Try to be a better person personally, before you try to dictate how other people act. A lot of the time, society is going to fuck you and its not your fault, the people who blame society aren't wrong to blame society for all its problems-

its just, you need to control what you do have power over, and this is your own life frankly. People who refuse to control what they can actually change (their own life, outlook, etc) and seek external changes first are making a huge mistake.

"I'm fat, and this is your problem"

Honestly, it kind of is because I don't want fat people clogging up my hospitals, but I am not the prime driver of the solution. You, yourself, are.

Most proposals arent things that "help people help themselves" but are instead just trying to either throw money at a problem or ban things. I think that people today honestly lack discipline for most things, which is why they dont see themselves as the prime solvers of their own problems, but instead want to rely on money for a therapist, gastric bypass surgery, the state banning sugar because they can't control themselves, etc (if we're going with the fatty example).

Black people have it rough in America? That's true. Honestly, Im pretty blackpilled on "solutions" but the most basic thing that needs to happen is that people need to change their own lives personally first, get good habits, etc.

I think that for politics, most politicians aren't going to have solutions that benefit you personally, and often can just make things worse.

Learn to be independent of all that, and to minimize the way by which politicians can affect your life directly. I don't mean "go and find a homestead", but I mean- learn to make your skillset more valuable, to be more flexible in your work situations, to actually have savings, and to keep your options open. Power levelling a little, but during covid, I moved to a nation that was much more friendly during lockdown (and kept businesses largely open).
Its something that does make me roll my eyes a bit. I don't blame people for wanting to not take the jab, etc. Its just, "the game, is the game". If you want comfort, don't want to leave your 9-5 job at the google headquarters, and then they demand you get the vax, a part of me does think "you should have planned for this in advance, we all make choices in life, had a backup plan, or found a way to get by within or without the system. Maybe moving to California half a decade ago as a 'redpilled individual' was a dumb move? The game, is the game".

Not saying that anyone could have seen covid coming, but at least learn to play the game a little better. Theres a cost-benefit to most things we do and you shouldn't be surprised at that. The Canadian government froze people's bank accounts for protesting? Despicable, but honestly with the way rhetoric was going up there and bugman mentality, predictable. Kudos to the people there who choose to protest regardless, but to those who didn't expect that and had alternative sources of finance, step up your game.

Make sure that the power that government has on you is minimized, because it also lessens the amount of control that you have over your own life, which means you have much less of a choice in how you live it if you are beholden to some far off bureaucrat.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

It was the antiwhite shit. I used to be pretty far on the left but can’t abide by racial self loathing. The break happened when Saint Baby TrayTray got mercilessly slaughtered by the extremely white George Zimmerman. I knew the antiwhite racism would ramp up because all the usual “checks” that I expected would step in actually just inflamed racial tensions even further. The time I became woke on the JQ was the Million Muslim March in Europe in 2015.

I can’t go back, knowing how deep and wide the rot really is and who is responsible for it. I can’t go back to thinking the problem only resides with one political party and if I just vote harder for the other political party that everything would be okay. Can’t be done.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Largely never, I was always very suspicious of degeneracy and social progressivism, and always hated that gaynigs tried to bind tech progress to various minority liberation spergeries.

 

[La Salpêtrière]

My frist wake up call was seeing TPTB completely destroying the place where i live in less than 3 years. That alone made me dich lefty politics as a whole, not because some retarded sophism debate but because i understood that commies lost and any tiny improvement in quality of life of us proles was temporary, because it's not a war between two equailsh power forces as Marx said, but a terribly disproportionate battle where the only escape is death. Everything what we do can be destroyed by the elites in literal seconds. We can't even think our next move. Large groups of people bring a lot of attention and if you were too noisy they wouldnt doubt to destroy you. So any hopes of seeing an improvement in the quality of life in general were destroyed and the only thing that was left for me is to try that my own life doesn't become so horrible.
And once you see TPTB in action you can't unsee them. Realized that even if people can have individual values that are genuine, all political moments are hopelessly astroturfed. That a lot of people that I thought were weird or idiotic are actually COINTELPRO agents and nothing it's a coincidence. The actual free thinkers were killed years ago. The most you can hope for is crying over the state of everything in a controlled opposition space. Life it's a beautiful thing but the world is being controlled by anti human parasites.

 

[BasedCentrist]

I used to be a socialist/communist and thought everything would be great if only we had socialism, and the reason we don't is because the megacorporations ruling us and using their propaganda to trick the people. Then in 2015 there was a string of terrorist attacks in ngle bullshit detectors with all the bullshit about lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccine nonsense. It also proved to me that most people don't reject Christianity because they find it false, they reject it because they associate it with their parents/bullies/whoever.

Did you think that gommunism means free lolis for neckbeards? Not to fault you, communists have always been cozy with pedos and other weirdos, until they realize it's horrible optics.
Interestingly many leftists are surprised that communism is anti-white, after all it was founded by jews to topple the old elites and take their place. The few white communists were the self-hating cucks of their day. Or at best dumb cattle.

 

[56 others]

I read the wikipedia articles for babby's first political theory and realized nobody I know has a coherent political philosophy. It's really just red vs blue and the marching orders come from TV.