Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

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Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

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Commitment to NATO: Restored
Russian military confidence: Destroyed
Russian military deaths: Greater than US/Coalition deaths in GWOT in less than 1 year
Russian material losses: 8000+ as of writing
US, NATO Deaths: 0

You're so Myopic you give Himler a run for his money.

NATO just got a whole lot more expensive to maintain and guess who foots the majority of the bill on it. That's right the US. Even if every single country in NATO paid 3% GPD (they don't) the US would still need to cover well over half of the cost of maintaining and running it. This includes bases, this includes trans-national training, this includes the big fancy exercises they do pretty much every year. This also includes money they spend on "modernization" and "equipment standardization" on eastern block countries and likely would have to spend on Sweden and Finland as chunk of their forces still use older platforms like G3s or older AK pattern rifles. They've successfully managed to increase the tension within NATO as well among existing members.

Not only that but they've been straining their relationship with the EU countries pretty much since the beginning of the war. This has been happening for awhile but now the EU portion of NATO has a reason to speed up their emancipation from the US. Don't get me wrong they'll take the money but now they know that the US portion of NATO is kinda retarded and doesn't have their interests in mind to say the least. The only people that are deep throating the US still are Poland and the UK which coincidentally also happen to be the biggest benefactors from NATO/US monetary aid when it comes to the military.
That's not even getting into the extra-costs in every day life your average Joe-Shmoe has had to swallow since week 3 of the war.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Hardly low-cost when you're talking close to a tens of billions of dollars. Hundreds of hospitals and staff, massive investment in infrastructure, huge amounts ploughed into research and the USA's own technology field. Or maybe just call it part of some fiscal responsibility given that the USA printed several trillion dollars in just the last few years devaluing people's savings drastically.

Your elites have their own goals, which are not the immediate welfare of the Amerifat kins. They do things long term, with geopolitical goals. Gutting an important traditional enemy at almost no cost to the US as a superpower is a deal that's impossible to refuse. America needs the stability to create new alliances and indulge in a new wave of R&D investment so it can realistically take on China, its main rival, and grind it down without a WW.
I assure you the people that take such decisions and have such long term goals give as much about you, an individual, as Putin gives about his mobiks.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Hardly low-cost when you're talking close to a tens of billions of dollars. Hundreds of hospitals and staff, massive investment in infrastructure, huge amounts ploughed into research and the USA's own technology field. Or maybe just call it part of some fiscal responsibility given that the USA printed several trillion dollars in just the last few years devaluing people's savings drastically.

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Pretty much take your pick. All things that benefit Americans far more than geopolitical advantage against a nation which, lets be frank here, is no threat to the USA nor the EU. US Neocons, arms industry are the primary beneficiaries here. Subsidised by the US taxpayers. If a hundred billion dollars in cash and military equipment is a "bargain" then maybe that's actually an indictment of US military spending. Only the very wealthy in the USA benefit from this bankrolling of the Ukraine. And it's trashing the economy of Europe who have been pressured and levered by the USA into cutting off their own energy supplies. As the Eurozone tips into recession joblessness will soar and with that comes predictable deaths and social breakdown that comes with it.

Of course I'm thinking in terms of your own mindset which is based around money. Most people would consider the tens of thousands of lives being lost as the real cost. Which is anything but low.

WE in the West told Zelensky not to negotiate. We in the West backed and pushed the policies that helped bring this about. Wars tend to spread and not fade away quietly. The "cost" of this war will be felt for generations and who knows how far this war will spread. There is no guarantee it wont spread to other countries. The USA is openly pushing for a Russian collapse. And they seem happy for Germany and other countries to be caught up in that as well.

Calling this war a bargain in any sense is disgusting to me. And I've no shame in saying so. Nor am I so simplistic in my understanding of politics that I don't think US foreign policy has a big hand in how we got here.

We need a new term to describe this war: pyrrhic just doesn’t cut it. A “victory” that costs hundred of billions to obtain and will likely cost trillions to maintain. We can’t call it a loss because the Coalition of the Retarded will start spergraging but there is no way this could ever be a victory.

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

You have to consider the currency of war (lives) at a macro level.

Yeah. That is kind of hard to do when it is your brother, sister, or grandparents paying the price; or, if you are an American, watching $40 billion go to a undefined war while watching your neighbors being outpriced of their homes and areas that their families have been in for generations.

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Based Russians taking out the plumbers and hohols, they cannot stop winning.

 

[Elbereth]

Yeah. That is kind of hard to do when it is your brother, sister, or grandparents paying the price; or, if you are an American, watching $40 billion go to a undefined war while watching your neighbors being outpriced of their homes and areas that their families have been in for generations.

Well, if only botox monkey would not come up with splendid idea of three days special military operation.

 

[mindlessobserver]

ALERT!

Wagner Forces and Mozart forces are now engaged in Bakhmut. No word on whether Beethoven and Tchaikovsky intend to engage as well.

https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1594429636209004544

 

[CoffeeJellyAndTea]

I love how the discussion shifted from:

"The US is throwing billions into a failing Ukraine"

to

"This is a pyrrhic victory"

I wonder what they will say next?

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

Well, if only botox monkey would not come up with splendid idea of three days special military operation.

Well, yeah, sorry to hear that, but this isn't the rest of the world's problems. I mean, has the USA learned nothing from Iraq. More importantly, I am not a big fan of how Zelensky derides other countries when he isn't given more money.

 

[Beak Thing]

Whatever, believe what you want to believe, it's your goy dollars he's grifting from you. A fool and his money are easily parted.

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ZeroHedge lol.

I've noticed a lot of bitching about duplicitous kikes....something bad must have happened to have even more Antisemitism popping up in the de-Nazification campaign.

 

[Beak Thing]

Yeah. That is kind of hard to do when it is your brother, sister, or grandparents paying the price; or, if you are an American, watching $40 billion go to a undefined war while watching your neighbors being outpriced of their homes and areas that their families have been in for generations.

$40 billion is a rounding error in the US federal budget that could be fully paid for with three weeks of QE.

This kind of bullshit bitching about "the poor", housing prices and how the money could be spent on them is pure propaganda and I've hear it before. Where were you in 2009?

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

$40 billion is a rounding error in the US federal budget that could be fully paid for with three weeks of QE.

This kind of bullshit bitching about "the poor" and how the money could be spent on them is pure propaganda.

So...You're saying Americans should not have concerns about how their, THEIR, taxpayer money is going to? That they should just "accept and consoom" that their money, no matter how small, is going to a foreign affair they have vague understanding and could be dragged into another costly proxy war without at least questioning how this will benefit American citizens? Even as many citizens are struggling with housing and a still ongoing opioid crisis?

Do I understand your statement and position correctly?

 

[Beak Thing]

So...You're saying Americans should not have concerns about how their, THEIR, taxpayer money is going to? That they should just "accept and consoom" that their money, no matter how small, is going to a foreign affair they have vague understanding and could be dragged into another costly proxy war without at least questioning how this will benefit American citizens? Even as many citizens are struggling with housing and a still ongoing opioid crisis?

Do I understand your statement and position correctly?

I'm completely fine with my taxpayer money being spent on this war. I suspect I pay far more in taxes than the average alt-right Russia simp, by orders of magnitude.

Do you really think the money spent on Ukraine could have any impact on a country with 330 million people? If so why didn't anyone think of this before?

I don't think you really understand just how large the US economy and federal budget actually are. It's just the same old tired Soviet cope.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I've noticed a lot of bitching about duplicitous kikes....something bad must have happened to have even more Antisemitism popping up in the de-Nazification campaign.

¿Por qué no los dos? Pato hipócrita asqueroso, en cualquier momento llorará sobre el Holocuento.

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

I'm completely fine with my taxpayer money being spent on this war. I suspect I pay far more in taxes than the average alt-right Russia simp, by orders of magnitude.

Do you really think the money spent on Ukraine could have any impact on a country with 330 million people? If so why didn't anyone think of this before?

I don't think you really understand just how large the US economy and federal budget actually are. It's just the same old tired Soviet cope.

Okay. 1) You are not the only American taxpayer, let us not develop self-importance. 2) People have, their concerned this going down the "Vietnam War" route - where what was once a contained, appropriately budgeted foreign commitment becomes Americans continuously sliding down to make more financial and, ultimately, American lives being sacrificed. 3) I actually kind of do, that doesn't mean we should put that money to a struggling, borderline third-world country. How does that benefit Americans?!

And enough about "Russian Simps", "alt-right" and other forms of name calling. Most Americans would still be raising question if were giving financial aid to Russia. Once again, this isn't our fight. The question still remains why we are making sacrifices for two very, very corrupt nations that have a myriad of social issues

 

[Beak Thing]

¿Por qué no los dos? Pato hipócrita asqueroso, en cualquier momento llorará sobre el Holocuento.

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I'm sorry, you flee like a bitch when I smoke you on Eastern European history so I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm sorry, you flee like a bitch when I smoke you on Eastern European history so I can't take you seriously anymore.

lmao you OK over there? They have treatments for that prolasped anus of yours, you know.

 

[Beak Thing]

Okay. 1) You are not the only American taxpayer, let us not develop self-importance. 2) People have, their concerned this going down the "Vietnam War" route - where what was once a contained, appropriately budgeted foreign commitment becomes Americans continuously sliding down to make more financial and, ultimately, American lives being sacrificed. 3) I actually kind of do, that doesn't mean we should put that money to a struggling, borderline third-world country. How does that benefit Americans?!

You addressed the poor American taxpayer with your plight so I don't think you can pull back from that one quite so easily...address my points and stop playing games.

And enough about "Russian Simps", "alt-right" and other forms of name calling. Most Americans would still be raising question if were giving financial aid to Russia. Once again, this isn't our fight. The question still remains why we are making sacrifices for two very, very corrupt nations that have a myriad of social issues

No, I think it is our fight, destroying the Wish version of the USSR for minimal cost just like my boy Reagan did to you fucks in the 1980s.

God, why do you people use this exact, same script? Every single time it sounds like it's been dragged out of some Soviet warehouse....it really scares you when somebody knows Russian and Soviet history better than you do and I know it. I'm coming for you and there's nowhere to hide.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Why does one minor incident make everyone shit out their collective brains?

Oocoms razor you tards: the simplest answer is usually it. I.e. Russia did an oopsie. If it was on purpose, they would have gone after a military base or a capital, not blow up 2 nobodies. Honestly that should show you how shit their weapons are. It took 2 strays to kill 2 people. It's a shame those innocent people died for sure, but nobody will go to war over 2 fucking people.

Eta: oh fun! It was actually verified as a Ukrainian missile! Still changes nothing of what I said.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Hardly low-cost when you're talking close to a tens of billions of dollars. Hundreds of hospitals and staff, massive investment in infrastructure, huge amounts ploughed into research and the USA's own technology field. Or maybe just call it part of some fiscal responsibility given that the USA printed several trillion dollars in just the last few years devaluing people's savings drastically.

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Pretty much take your pick. All things that benefit Americans far more than geopolitical advantage against a nation which, lets be frank here, is no threat to the USA nor the EU. US Neocons, arms industry are the primary beneficiaries here. Subsidised by the US taxpayers. If a hundred billion dollars in cash and military equipment is a "bargain" then maybe that's actually an indictment of US military spending. Only the very wealthy in the USA benefit from this bankrolling of the Ukraine. And it's trashing the economy of Europe who have been pressured and levered by the USA into cutting off their own energy supplies. As the Eurozone tips into recession joblessness will soar and with that comes predictable deaths and social breakdown that comes with it.

Of course I'm thinking in terms of your own mindset which is based around money. Most people would consider the tens of thousands of lives being lost as the real cost. Which is anything but low.

WE in the West told Zelensky not to negotiate. We in the West backed and pushed the policies that helped bring this about. Wars tend to spread and not fade away quietly. The "cost" of this war will be felt for generations and who knows how far this war will spread. There is no guarantee it wont spread to other countries. The USA is openly pushing for a Russian collapse. And they seem happy for Germany and other countries to be caught up in that as well.

Calling this war a bargain in any sense is disgusting to me. And I've no shame in saying so. Nor am I so simplistic in my understanding of politics that I don't think US foreign policy has a big hand in how we got here.

Sorry, i should have specified

Compared to acting directly in order to neuter Russian influnce, its very cheap. Russia decided to take the bait, Ukraine has defended itself valiently with the help of western material support
Also, alot of the military material sent is not exactly a cost, its mostly old surplus lying around ( built for a war against the Soviet Union ), so its great that its getting used against Russia
There is a humanitarian/infrastructural cost, absolutely. Part of this will be covered by seized Russian assets, fortunately

The human cost is indescribable, correct. Its sad, but a reality

NATO has gained new members and reviatlized itself, european commitment do defence and renewable energy has increased, the result of this will be more clear in the following years to come
The US can now focus on china and SE asia, where the main threat is. Geopolitically, this has been a big gain for the west, especially the US

Now, the question is whether the US have been masterminding all of this, i disagree. Russia took the bait or acted with subpar intelligence, resulting in a muddy disaster it cannot recover from, resulting in wrecking civilian infrastructure to deal a moral blow, further increasing the suffering of the civlian populace. Its awful and its all on the Russians