Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Elbereth]

And enough about "Russian Simps", "alt-right" and other forms of name calling. Most Americans would still be raising question if were giving financial aid to Russia. Once again, this isn't our fight. The question still remains why we are making sacrifices for two very, very corrupt nations that have a myriad of social issues

Well, there are many reasons. First of all there was something called "Budapest Memorandum", during which Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear arsenal for guarantees of safety from US, UK and russia. Guess which countries kept their promise.

Another reason is that US is biggest guarantee of safety around the world. Around hundred of countries have some sort of agreement with US regarding safety. Imagine what other allies would think, when US first invest into Ukraine and then give up on it. That would not be reassuring.

And lastly, because I can see you saying something like "Uh, the people outside US are not really human, we should not care if they go to war and kill one each other. Only America matters!". Well, the world is benefiting tremendously from being at peace, including You personally. The computer you write this post has semiconductors made in Taiwan. If China would take over Taiwan, do you think those computer would be cheaper? Gas you tank your car is from Saudi Arabia. Clothes are sewed in Bangladesh. US is importing even food. In 2021 US imported 166 billions of dollars worth of food, from all around the world, including even Europe and Ukraine.

US could make their own food, oil, maybe even semiconductors. But you know why it is importing such large quantities? Because it's cheaper. You are spending less on computers, on energy, on food, and on clothes because world is at peace and economies can trade with each other.

Well, yeah, sorry to hear that, but this isn't the rest of the world's problems. I mean, has the USA learned nothing from Iraq. More importantly, I am not a big fan of how Zelensky derides other countries when he isn't given more money.

Well, russian state TV regularly broadcast threats to Poland and Baltic States and Germany and United Kingdom and Nordic Counties. Personally my favourite was when they threated to sink Great Britain with nuclear launch. And I remind you that all of this is broadcasted on state TV.

Looks like russia won't fight NATO not because the they don't want to, but because they are too weak to do so.

 

[MG-34]

You need to understand. He just wants to fantasize about putins midget cock from the comfort of his 200 sqft apartment in Jew York and strangely won't just up and move to the paradise of Russia. Probably for the same reason he was against the summer of love, "My fleabags might get hurt".

What happened to the guy who posted how many days it's been since the 3 day Extra Special Military 300, Filtered Vodka Operation by the way? His reminders were always a good chuckle.

I also like the spergout about the 13 KIA from the Kabul shitshow while he rubs shoulders with vatnik retards that constantly sperg on about "American/NATO Zogbots". If those fallen servicemen and women meant so much to someone why would you keep the company of those who absolutely despise the American military and cheer the likes of the Taliban and ISIS when they managed to kill them? At least I'm consistent. I absolutely love seeing the Ukies trash Russian rapist monkey soilders into worm food. First time I can say I support paying taxes in a long time.

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

Well, there are many reasons. First of all there was something called "Budapest Memorandum", during which Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear arsenal for guarantees of safety from US, UK and russia. Guess which countries kept their promise.

Another reason is that US is biggest guarantee of safety around the world. Around hundred of countries have some sort of agreement with US regarding safety. Imagine what other allies would think, when US first invest into Ukraine and then give up on it. That would not be reassuring.

And lastly, because I can see you saying something like "Uh, the people outside US are not really human, we should not care if they go to war and kill one each other. Only America matters!". Well, the world is benefiting tremendously from being at peace, including You personally. The computer you write this post has semiconductors made in Taiwan. If China would take over Taiwan, do you think those computer would be cheaper? Gas you tank your car is from Saudi Arabia. Clothes are sewed in Bangladesh. US is importing even food. In 2021 US imported 166 billions of dollars worth of food, from all around the world, including even Europe and Ukraine.

US could make their own food, oil, maybe even semiconductors. But you know why it is importing such large quantities? Because it's cheaper. You are spending less on computers, on energy, on food, and on clothes because world is at peace and economies can trade with each other.


Well, russian state TV regularly broadcast threats to Poland and Baltic States and Germany and United Kingdom and Nordic Counties. Personally my favourite was when they threated to sink Great Britain with nuclear launch. And I remind you that all of this is broadcasted on state TV.

Looks like russia won't fight NATO not because the they don't want to, but because they are too weak to do so.

Okay. In regards to the Budapest Memorandum we, the USA and other countries, gave our assurance we would not militarily or economically coerce Ukraine. We never made the commitment to swoop in and save the day if Ukraine was invaded by another nation.

WE WERE NEVER INVESTED IN UKRAINE. It is a merely an extension to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for Kazakhstan, Belarus, and Ukraine, specific to that given region. Furthermore, it an assurance, not a legal provision - IT PROVIDES NO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS TO AID MILITARILY OR FINANCIALLY TO ANY OF THE PARTIES, E.G. UKRAINE.

Furthermore, Ukraine couldn't even use those nukes anyway as the Russians had all the knowledge and codes to properly launch them. They were just sitting there with Ukrainians not knowing jack shit on how to operate them - Not good for them or the rest of the world.

Of course I care about people from other countries. However, you GUYS need to sort this out! You are a sovereign nation, yet seem to think the whole world now has to drop everything and make sacrifices that in no way benefit those nations! Furthermore, Putin may not be a good man, until Zelensky is willing to stop outlawing certain political parties, silence certain media outlets, and make a commitment to combating the rampant corruption and crime in Ukraine in the near future; I don't see the point in going all out there. Taiwan is one of the least corrupt government in the world according to global index, they have also vocally stated their commitment to continue to preserve their citizen's civil liberties and the rule of law - comparing Ukraine to Taiwan is like comparing apples to oranges.

Ukraine is a breadbasket, but that there are other options. Point blank, I would rather our money goes in helping provide more aid in our backyard; specifically South American countries that are right now struggling post-Covid. That seems far worthier than a country that seems to deride me when I don't give them all the money, and eventually, American bodies as sacrifice for a proxy.

Per your point about Russia: Okay, and? If Russia is making threats to Germany, Poland, and the UK, maybe those COUNTRIES SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND TELL RUSSIA TO KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF. However, it is like you said, Russia is a paper tiger with limited military capability, it poses little threat outside their region.

The USA can't waste its time and resource on two corrupt, failing nations in Eastern Europe when we have to focus on China and our own suffering citizens.

 

[Elbereth]

Okay. In regards to the Budapest Memorandum we, the USA and other countries, gave our word we would not militarily or economically coerce Ukraine. We never made the commitment to swoop in and save the day if Ukraine was invaded by another nation.

WE WERE NEVER INVESTED IN UKRAINE. It is a merely an extension to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for Kazakhstan, Belarus, and Ukraine, specific to that given region. Furthermore, it an assurance, not a legal provision - IT PROVIDES NO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS TO AID MILITARILY OR FINANCIALLY TO ANY OF THE PARTIES, E.G. UKRAINE.

Furthermore, Ukraine couldn't even use those nukes anyway as the Russians had all the knowledge and codes to properly launch them. They were just sitting there with Ukrainians not knowing jack shit on how to operate them - Not good for them or the rest of the world.

Of course I care about people from other countries. However, you GUYS need to sort this out! You are a sovereign nation, yet seem to think the whole world now has to drop everything and make sacrifices that in no way benefit those nations! Furthermore, Putin may not be a good man, until Zelensky is willing to stop outlawing certain political parties, silence certain media outlets, and make a commitment to combating the rampant corruption and crime in Ukraine in the near future; I don't see the point in going all out there. Taiwan is one of the least corrupt government in the world according to global index, they have also vocally stated their commitment to continue to preserve their citizen's civil liberties and the rule of law - comparing Ukraine to Taiwan is like comparing apples to oranges.

Ukraine is a breadbasket, but that there are other options. Point blank, I would rather our money goes in helping provide more aid in our backyard; specifically South American countries that are right now struggling post-Covid. That seems far worthier than a country that seems to deride me when I don't give them all the money, and eventually, American bodies as sacrifice for a proxy.

Per your point about Russia: Okay, and? If Russia is making threats to Germany, Poland, and the UK, maybe those COUNTRIES SHOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND TELL RUSSIA TO KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF. However, it is like you said, they are paper tiger with limited military capability, they pose little threat outside their region.

The USA can't waste its time and resource on two corrupt, failing nations in Eastern Europe when we have to focus on China and our own suffering citizens.

Okay, let's assume that US was not involved with Ukraine even before the war and it didn't supply it with instructors and intel in anticipation of russian strike.

Let's imagine for a moment that 3 days special operation succeed. Zelensky dies in Kiev, russia puts up puppet goverment and absorbs ukrainian military. All those tanks, planes, howitzers and most importantly people. With combined forces, they threaten war with NATO. What can US do now?

1. They increase their presence in Poland and Baltic states. Maybe even they their citizens to kill and die in NATO-russia war.
2. They leave their allies and let know everybody that agreement with US is worth nothing. Imagine now what Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan will do.

You kinda convincingly missed part of my post stating how US is benefiting from international trade. From global stability. Yeah, EU countries should spend more on their army. Yeah, it cost money to send weapons to Ukraine. But imagine that: not sending weapons to Ukraine cost even more.

 

[AgendaPoster]

One hot one cold.
Technicalities should not prevail over the need for transparency and maintaining cohesion within this alliance, and not allowing Ukrainians to examine the remains increases suspicion that this might indeed be a Russia rocket that NATO wants to sweep under the rug. Just invent that international investigative commission and set things straight. It doesn't matter if it's a Russian missile, for the 10th time, Article 5 does not mean you launch WW3 for 2 civilian deaths.

 

[Male Idiot]

One hot one cold.
Technicalities should not prevail over the need for transparency and maintaining cohesion within this alliance, and not allowing Ukrainians to examine the remains increases suspicion that this might indeed be a Russia rocket that NATO wants to sweep under the rug. Just invent that international investigative commission and set things straight. It doesn't matter if it's a Russian missile, for the 10th time, Article 5 does not mean you launch WW3 for 2 civilian deaths.
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If it was Russian, Poland's autistic screeching would have travelled around the world 6 gorillion times already.

In fact it propably had 5 big ukranian flags painted on it, and a big old gay ass ukraine trident etched in the metal so the toilet cleaners couldn't just repaint it.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

Who wouldn't.
- fossil
- lolbert meme ideology
- failed campaigns to become relevant
- failed to stop the Fed
- failed to stop the MilInt complex

He has a great podcast.

 

[1dris]

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The financially illiterate shills of this thread are arguing over the impact of a rounding error in the US military budget. $40 billion is barely $100 per American, and not even 1% of the yearly budget for the US government. Aint nobody gonna be lifted out of poverty for $40 billion, and that's ignoring that most of the aid is in already existing weapons or American jobs. It literally doesn't matter at all, the war probably would be going the same way regardless of any US intervention, because it just doesn't matter.

The US lost 7,000 troops in Afghanistan, over the 20 years that war went on. Russia has lost...over 10 times that many, in a single year. With half the population. If this war goes on any longer, Russia's gonna run out of able-bodied 18-30 year-old men. The Ukrainian casualties, meanwhile, are...who cares? They're fighting a war of survival anyway, they're not gonna give up. When all of this is over, Eastern Europe is gonna be a wasteland just begging for a strong country to impose their will over it.

Why can't the isolationist cucks just appreciate the war for what it is? Two foreign annoyances killing each other for our amusement. With Russia rendered irrelevant, now we don't have to worry about gas prices shifting due to Putin's moods, or Russian micspammers in CS:GO, all for the amount of money we could scrounge from between the couch cushions.

this war tanked every country's economy at once mr "finically literate" and its costing way more than these aid packages.
and its easy for you to say that if you don't pay taxes. this might get your welfare taken away at one point though
7k in afghanistan lmao. count contractors and you're gonna see why they lost and tried their best to sugar coat their numbers
5 veteran suicides per 1 taliban to the point this data became classified in 2020 (its winning syndrome)
a K/D of 1 to 2 per taliban.
and a whooping 120 million to kill EACH taliban. and this is all according to US
and now you are china's bitch with these new chink police stations made aboard

 

[IKOL]

The question still remains why we are making sacrifices for two very, very corrupt nations that have a myriad of social issues

1. Ukraine is a money laundry, child sex trafficing and organ harvesting hub. Was. Probably still is because I do believe that you don't need the consent of a dead person for his intestines to be removed while there's still a possibility to salvage and repurpose them for a new host, ask any hohol for consent to take their child away (you just need to promise a better life for their kid(s)) and... well Kiev is still intact, along with the West part of Ukraine, they might happen to have some serious fuckery with electricity but since when it had to stop the laundry from running? Right, never.

2. Because or warmongering warchickenshits in Pentagon, Congress and President Administration, along with certain elite circles and characters want to reduce the population of once the most notorious adversary.

Basically that. It's not about Putin, really. It's mainly about hegemony, resource control and obedience of the "subjects" that are supposed to kneel and be forced into submission to modern day monarchy, something that WEF is trying to build up in Europe and US simultaneously and quite succeeding in this regard. Look at Canada and New Zealand, look at Britain...

I don't think you really understand just how large the US economy and federal budget actually are. It's just the same old tired Soviet cope.

Neither do you, and that's not about "soviet cope" you utterly retarded faggot, it's about the fact that these economy and federal budget are keep being sabotaged, both from within and inside the system by the very people you see as yours true and honest good guys and opposition to The Orange Man.

No, I think it is our fight, destroying the Wish version of the USSR for minimal cost just like my boy Reagan did to you fucks in the 1980s.

Because the warchicken faggots like and traggots in politics we have the current crisis of... well, of everythiing really.
You're also delusional as fuck.
USSR died. 30 years ago. But it seems US are reviving its own old enemy inside of itself so... eh, your boy Reagan did a shitty job then.

Please consider the following below:

Not my dog, not my fight. Both sides are being extraordinarily foolish, and no one wins in a fool's errand.

THE FUCKING EXACT THING THAT WAS THE WHOLE FUCKING MOTTO OF ALL THE ADEQUATE PEOPLE THERE?! SAID OUT LOUD???!!! OH MY!!!!

Okay, seriously, thanks for voicing this thought out because some people keep missing this point.

 

[Foltest]

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Dumb bitch do you know how to read a history book? A military hasn't been this humiliated since France in WW2.

That is Unfair!.... to France.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

So have the Russians run out of ammo yet? Or is that next week? I can't keep track.

 

[1dris]

So have the Russians run out of ammo yet? Or is that next week? I can't keep track.

chyna will declare war on russia according to schizo faggots on twatter in 3 days

 

[Hell on Earth]

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The financially illiterate shills of this thread are arguing over the impact of a rounding error in the US military budget. $40 billion is barely $100 per American, and not even 1% of the yearly budget for the US government. Aint nobody gonna be lifted out of poverty for $40 billion, and that's ignoring that most of the aid is in already existing weapons or American jobs. It literally doesn't matter at all, the war probably would be going the same way regardless of any US intervention, because it just doesn't matter.

The US lost 7,000 troops in Afghanistan, over the 20 years that war went on. Russia has lost...over 10 times that many, in a single year. With half the population. If this war goes on any longer, Russia's gonna run out of able-bodied 18-30 year-old men. The Ukrainian casualties, meanwhile, are...who cares? They're fighting a war of survival anyway, they're not gonna give up. When all of this is over, Eastern Europe is gonna be a wasteland just begging for a strong country to impose their will over it.

Why can't the isolationist cucks just appreciate the war for what it is? Two foreign annoyances killing each other for our amusement. With Russia rendered irrelevant, now we don't have to worry about gas prices shifting due to Putin's moods, or Russian micspammers in CS:GO, all for the amount of money we could scrounge from between the couch cushions.

Yes, ignore the fact that 67,000 Afghan goverment forces were killed in that same war and the fact that there were 30,000 American troops in Afghanistan for most of the war and 9,800-5,500 after 2013, very shallow numbers compared to this war. I count the Afghan deaths because they were being paid/equipped/trained with American tax payer dollars. Anyways, the war (counter-insurgency) in Afghanistan is peanuts compared to this conflict.

Russia also dealt more than a 100,000 casualties on the Ukrainians in this year alone, acording to Gen. Mark Milley and there are more than 13,000 Russian dead with names and reported by the DPR/LPR but I would guess the real number would be more than 20,000 which would give us a total of more than 100,000 casualties but who knows how many are irreparably crippled.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

yea booooooi I'm back! So what did I miss? Pages of informative news and analysis? No, pages of faggots arguing...
Looks like the Ukries decided to start bombing a Nuclear power plant again! Great!

 

[borsabil]

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The financially illiterate shills of this thread are arguing over the impact of a rounding error in the US military budget. $40 billion is barely $100 per American, and not even 1% of the yearly budget for the US government. Aint nobody gonna be lifted out of poverty for $40 billion, and that's ignoring that most of the aid is in already existing weapons or American jobs. It literally doesn't matter at all, the war probably would be going the same way regardless of any US intervention, because it just doesn't matter.

The US lost 7,000 troops in Afghanistan, over the 20 years that war went on. Russia has lost...over 10 times that many, in a single year. With half the population. If this war goes on any longer, Russia's gonna run out of able-bodied 18-30 year-old men. The Ukrainian casualties, meanwhile, are...who cares? They're fighting a war of survival anyway, they're not gonna give up. When all of this is over, Eastern Europe is gonna be a wasteland just begging for a strong country to impose their will over it.

Why can't the isolationist cucks just appreciate the war for what it is? Two foreign annoyances killing each other for our amusement. With Russia rendered irrelevant, now we don't have to worry about gas prices shifting due to Putin's moods, or Russian micspammers in CS:GO, all for the amount of money we could scrounge from between the couch cushions.

The Biden administration has just requested another 40 billion for the Hohols, which will see them through to the New Year.

Current burn rate for replacement munitions alone is 8 billion per month

Then there's the Ukraine itself which is an economic basket case. Anything from 9-15 billion per month to keep the place afloat. Every single soldier, civil servant and pensioner is being paid via western aid.

Throw in various grants and relief programs and we're looking at something in the region of 25-30 billion per month on the war

Overall commitment for this year from the US is something in the region of 100 billion. Unlike the spend in Afghanistan and Iraq, which was mostly re-circulated back into the US economy, all of the Ukraine funding is a straight outgoing, which will hurt bad over time.

Ukraine has also 'borrowed' around 90 billion, World Bank IMF etc. The rest has come from the EU and the UK which is drying up rapidly and the US is having to step in to make up the shortfall. Assuming the sending remains stable the US will have to find around 300 billion per year to fund the war on an ongoing basis. How long are they going to keep that up given they're about to enter a vicious recession? I give it 2 years max.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

The Biden administration has just requested another 40 billion for the Hohols, which will see them through to the New Year.

Current burn rate for replacement munitions alone is 8 billion per month

Then there's the Ukraine itself which is an economic basket case. Anything from 9-15 billion per month to keep the place afloat. Every single soldier, civil servant and pensioner is being paid via western aid.

Throw in various grants and relief programs and we're looking at something in the region of 25-30 billion per month on the war

Overall commitment for this year from the US is something in the region of 100 billion. Unlike the spend in Afghanistan and Iraq, which was mostly re-circulated back into the US economy, all of the Ukraine funding is a straight outgoing, which will hurt bad over time.

Ukraine has also 'borrowed' around 90 billion, World Bank IMF etc. The rest has come from the EU and the UK which is drying up rapidly and the US is having to step in to make up the shortfall. Assuming the sending remains stable the US will have to find around 300 billion per year to fund the war on an ongoing basis. How long are they going to keep that up given they're about to enter a vicious recession? I give it 2 years max.

Total amount of western spending supporting ukraine is not significant enough to have any major impact on the economy. In 2 years time, economic gaps created by severing ties with Russia will have been filled.

 

[Hell on Earth]

yea booooooi I'm back! So what did I miss? Pages of informative news and analysis? No, pages of faggots arguing...
Looks like the Ukries decided to start bombing a Nuclear power plant again! Great!

The rasputitsa season isn't over and offensives are limited to taking villages/trenches and bombarding the enemy with drones and artillery.

 

[jorgoth]

So while the "mainstream" (CIA) media was harping about how this was a Russian missile, armchair generals on Twitter were pointing out what was obvious to people in their sphere, that the missile was Ukrainian. I think this goes to show how valuable Twitter can actually be in spite of the retards, freaks, and parasites who flourish there. Although maybe the (((moderators))) would have buried this without Musk taking over and cleaning house, I dunno.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The world stopped wanting America to be their police, dragging us into a fucking stupid slap fight is using us as police. We helped back the French in vietnam and they backed out, leaving our ass there to fight, Brits wanted oil in the middle east and called us, then claimed it was entirely our idea when Brits wanted it first, then offered up to share it if we helped. now you want us to fight for the plight of ungreatful retards that insult us for not giving more money? Man fuck all of you. Hate America all you want, but I actually love my trash heap of a country and want to see it do well. If you're so fucking sure it's the right thing to do, don't demand other people use their money. YOU go fight. YOU go pay for it. Oh no dog in this race? Then why the fuck should we?
Oh but I forget, no matter what america does, America=bad.

I vote we become a shut in state like North Korea. Reopen the steel mills, just run on nuclear energy, fuck everybody else I am so sick of being yelled at because American.

The wisdom of George Washington, that America should not be involved in entangled foreign alliances, proving to be a truth more than ever.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Well, there are many reasons. First of all there was something called "Budapest Memorandum", during which Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear arsenal for guarantees of safety from US, UK and russia. Guess which countries kept their promise.

Personally, my takeaway from this is Ukraine should've never given up their nukes. Putin would've thought twice about going full retard if the Kremlin was within nuking distance. I'm against military intervention in Ukraine because I don't like the idea of risking nuclear war, even though I resent Putin for kicking off all this senseless killing. Nukes are the ultimate deterrent against all but the most ardent retards, so every sovereign country should have a few. Wars of conquest would stop overnight.