Were incels avoidable?

Why don't we just hookup the incels together?
We used to call it arranged marriage. It was deemed sexist and TBF, it did infringe upon individual freedom of association in favor of the parents' ambitions.
There aren't a lot of factors involved.
If you can't get laid its your own fault.
It isn't society's fault. Feminism didn't cause it.
You did.
Grow up
If we're counting rape as a legitimate means, then yes, it is the incels' faults. It's not? Well, it looks like there's more factors than you thought of.
Individuals who are just tabula rasa dipshits, or broken by trauma and experience? Of course. Same as kids getting cancer, some low rate of natural evil will just exist.

A disturbingly large swath of young people having no social skills whatsofuckingever, abandoned by a rapidly changing society, blamed for being ill prepared for the world they were originally born into, nevermind the one we're now in, pressured to join the oppression olympics? No.

The lack of social support, community, structure, belonging, and meaning facing a lot of zoomers and even younger millennials is on society for not providing it to young people, or the adults who were adolescents not that long ago. In a final sense, yes, you're accountable to yourself, but we don't just pile kids into zoos to Lord Of The Flies themselves, we raise them.

Well, we did. Now we give them tablets and laptops to distract them, let them find other kids on such devices - and of course the newly uplifted groomer class - and increasingly pressure them to keep their mouths shut irl because any misstep turns into a lecture or a tap dance through a mine field.

We've pushed kids into the same internet that made us farmers and the cows we milk to be brought up.
No fucking wonder they're so fucked up. Jesus Christ.


Social media was a mistake that the west will struggle to correct. The only way to fix this besides extensive therapy is almost certainly to keep kids off the internet in a very serious way that I don't see happening.



If only the enlightened, woke authorities and arbiters of morality would actually figure out some way to manage them besides antagonism, marginalization, insult, and "have you considered becoming the gf?"

The first successful American Fascist is going to lead an army of these people and we all know it.
Which is why I've said the next Hitler will be Muslim. Islam is the anti-feminist, anti-Liberal philosophy that happens to have all the answers that incels want to hear. Sharia Law demands women to have a higher burden of proof, which prevents people like Amber Heard from exploiting the legal system. It demands that those men uphold their provider status to maintain a harem. It happens to be a religion that is worshipped by brown people, but is not explicitly for Arabs, despite Arabs asserting doctrinal superiority. Finally, when push comes to shove, they are violent and are not paralyzed by optics. Trucks of Peace are pretty hard to stop when they can happen at any time with little organization.
 
"Incels" in their current form are a result of the destruction of western society and its general breakdown of the relationship between men and women. I'm not going to type an essay going into all the details, but it could have been stopped if not for the Federal Reserve causing the inflation we have today and women being forced into the labor market. In short, women were forced into the labor market for economic reasons (they have to work so the family can make what the man's salary alone was worth historically), then sold the lie that they could "have it all" all the while being told to act like men. All this results in women with massively inflated self-worth (they won't marry down in terms of income, and thanks to dating apps they all expect a perfect man following the 6666 rule) gravitating to the few male "winners" in society while the rest are left to pick up the leftovers. Incels are only a part of the wider problem, which is that male-female relations have been absolutely destroyed in the west. In fact, there's a female counterpart to the "incel," the used-up middle-aged career woman who can't find a suitable man for herself. The "wine aunt" more or less.
 
Incels are boring. Simple as.
Dress it up however you want, call them insecure, clingy, unattractive or whatever; at the end of the day they’re nothing but a bore.
Blame whatever you want, women, glowies, chemicals in the water… The world around you changing won’t make you any less of a bore.
 
Which is why I've said the next Hitler will be Muslim. Islam is the anti-feminist, anti-Liberal philosophy that happens to have all the answers that incels want to hear. Sharia Law demands women to have a higher burden of proof, which prevents people like Amber Heard from exploiting the legal system. It demands that those men uphold their provider status to maintain a harem. It happens to be a religion that is worshipped by brown people, but is not explicitly for Arabs, despite Arabs asserting doctrinal superiority. Finally, when push comes to shove, they are violent and are not paralyzed by optics. Trucks of Peace are pretty hard to stop when they can happen at any time with little organization.
In Europe? Absolutely.

I wouldn't count out a Christian revival entirely, though. There's also that recent plot to reinstate the Prussian nobility.

The next 20 years are going to be interesting. So many useful idiots to dispose of and make fun history along the way, huh?
 
Incels are boring. Simple as.
Dress it up however you want, call them insecure, clingy, unattractive or whatever; at the end of the day they’re nothing but a bore.
Blame whatever you want, women, glowies, chemicals in the water… The world around you changing won’t make you any less of a bore.
Implying conversely that women are interesting
 
Incels were not avoidable because they've always existed. Are there more these days? I don't know.

The only time I really feel bad for them is the fact that their life prospects are much worse. Renting as a single person is much harder these days and buying a house on a single salary is basically not possible. There are definite limits on how far they can progress without a partner if things keep going the way they are in terms of afforability.
Implying conversely that women are interesting
Women don't have to be interesting, men largely don't care so long as they put out.
 
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We used to call it arranged marriage. It was deemed sexist and TBF, it did infringe upon individual freedom of association in favor of the parents' ambitions.
I know a few people that are in arranged marriages and they seem to be quite happy with it. A lot of arranged marriages are really two sets of parents introducing their kids and suggesting (and highly encouraging) that they get married if they at least kind of like each other— at least that is the way the ones I know of work. I don’t get it at all how it is sexist.

There should probably be a distinction between “forced” marriages and “arranged” marriages, because the former is kind of shitty and the latter might actually not be the worst for society.
 
Not really. Incels could be minimised but you can never get completely rid of them, simply cause in any society there will ALWAYS be some amount of low worth men, just like there will always be some of low worth women. Especially because a lot of 'value' is nebulous to say the least, especially once you get beyond the "fulfills basic biological and psychological needs" bit.
Thing is though it's slightly easier for women because the whole biological "they control rate of reproduction" bit. But even then, there's a reason cat ladies and wine aunts exist.
That being said, i imagine most of the reason inceldom/femceldom has become so big is basically a mix of the following reasons
1) growth of the net to the level it has, plus the rise of social media and online communities
2) loss of purpose for a lot of men, that is assuaged (though not fixed) with the internet and other retarded shit that's basically a dopamine hit, but not really fulfilling or capable of causing growth.
3) an environment which not only is slowly eroding the value of responsibility and growth, but at times, actively speaking out against it in favor of gibs
4) the same environment putting way too much pressure on getting a relationship (or , more accurately, getting laid), that it starts causing a natural desperation in a lot of people for that to the detriment of their focusing on growth.
5) A lack of perspective on options, priorities and long term vs short term growth. Nowadays everyone wants their partner to be 'all there and steady from the get-go', rather than thinking of both as a 'work in progress' who will work with one another to grow with time.
6) A metric fuckton of porn. Arguments can be had on whether it's causing it, or if it's simply feeding the fire, but shit like onlyfans is giving the dopamine hit without fulfilling any of the other requisite requirements of a relationship. And worse than just the regular porn is the "relationship porn" i.e. the titty streamers and the like who're giving the 'girlfriend experience' without actually being the girlfriend (or even actually having sex with them). It makes the guys simp, and once they realised she's never gonna actually be their girlfriend, many of them go dooming into inceldom.
There's also other stuff there (political, economic, societal) that is also feeding into the lack of growth which leads to inceldom.

As for what to do about it, getting back to local communities and focusing on personal growth and responsibility first and all the other shit Jordan Peterson talks about are necessary.
But on a 'big step' level, I'd very much want to see a carpet bombing of all social media headquarters. Flatten it all.
 
"Incels" have been a fact of humanity since the early days, 8000 years ago 17 women reproduced for every 1 man so 1 guys knocked up 17 women and 16 guys never scored.

Supposedly 1 in 3 men in the U.S. reported having no sexual activity in the last year (2020).

So up to 33% of men would be incels, that number seems high but basically, monogamy/marriage culture was designed in part to give each man a reason to be invested in society. Now we have a growing portion of men who have zero investment in society and have basically been cast out.

There is said to be an epidemic of loneliness right now, and incels are part of that, unfortunately for them as they are young men society is completely comfortable bullying and belittling them for not being able to develop relationships. The dehumanization of young men for the crime of not being able to get a girlfriend likely worsens the issue.

I suppose you could say it was avoidable if we had a society that culturally enforced monogamy, but those societies have their own downsides.
 
Funny that "incel" attaches to men when it was a woman who came up with the term.

There are lots of unfuckable people. Making it a feedback loop into an inescapable neurosis is a modern thing. Emily Dickinson was an "incel".
There aren't a lot of unfuckable women but there are a lot of unfuckable men.

There are a lot of unlovable women, though.


This is the reason femcel is more accurate and common, but since it doesn't get under the skin the same way things like cat lady /wine aunt are more common insults.
 
I know a few people that are in arranged marriages and they seem to be quite happy with it. A lot of arranged marriages are really two sets of parents introducing their kids and suggesting (and highly encouraging) that they get married if they at least kind of like each other— at least that is the way the ones I know of work. I don’t get it at all how it is sexist.

There should probably be a distinction between “forced” marriages and “arranged” marriages, because the former is kind of shitty and the latter might actually not be the worst for society.
Today it's mostly a suggestion when in the past, "highly encouraged" could also be a soft power euphemism for coercion such as getting removed from the will or being disowned by the family. There's also the problem of the lost opportunity when meeting someone who's way more compatible than the current spouse and the temptation that affair offers.

There are flaws to arranged marriages. I just think the flaws aren't as bad as the benefits. Especially when the practice of marrying for love between two individuals has not worked out well for society. Our current practice of no-fault divorce is just retarded and has created at least one generation of people cynical towards romance, if not every successive one.
 
Therapy is a longcon.
If I had to pay for it myself I doubt I would, but therapy through the university has helped me, but mainly because I don't want to exasperate the therapist (even though I know he's paid to be nice and positive), so I will myself to greater efforts - doing things I don't want to do/are scared to do - than I could for other people in my life who are negative.
 
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So throughout time, you have people who believe they are owed something even if they provide nothing and actively make things worse for others. Make no mistake, this goes for both genders. Even with dating classes or positive reinforcement & good culture, these douchebags would be the ones to slip through the cracks no matter how much they were taught otherwise. They would also find a group of like minded people on the internet merely by existing.

An incel/femcel in an arranged marriage likely will be paired up with a woman/man he sees as below him, and will still have the incel mentality of being owed good pussy/top tier dick, even if she's a nice wo/man, just not much of a looker. They'll resent, ignore, or take out their anger on said spouse and abuse them.

I go on the loveshy incel dichotomy Ughuhu said earlier in the thread. Loveshies can become incels or they can even hide out among incels, but usually they reform. Incel


I say we don't see many violent female incels because it isn't how women play the game: most awful women who feel they are owed something and take it out on the other gender tend to be better at manipulating other people, even if it's just enough to fool men and women with super low self confidence they can use and abuse. That and the male commodity (pump and dump then society telling you lol if you die in war vs 9 months to have baby) feeling breeds a different kind of shitty entitled person. There's definite femcels out there, most men just don't look in the places they gather because they're usually places filled with socially awkward women with women hobbies in niche spaces online. They're still bitter, resentful, mean, and entitled, they just aren't as likely to make the news since they don't take action and brood silently.
 
Implying conversely that women are interesting
Incels were not avoidable because they've always existed. Are there more these days? I don't know.

The only time I really feel bad for them is the fact that their life prospects are much worse. Renting as a single person is much harder these days and buying a house on a single salary is basically not possible. There are definite limits on how far they can progress without a partner if things keep going the way they are in terms of afforability.

Women don't have to be interesting, men largely don't care so long as they put out.
And as a result women are even more boring than incels. They don't have to develop a personality, so most of them don't. At least incels usually have some kind of hobby or other interest.
 
And as a result women are even more boring than incels. They don't have to develop a personality, so most of them don't. At least incels usually have some kind of hobby or other interest.
Why marry a woman if she's boring? What's the solution to that?
 
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