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[Yours Truly 2095]

Speaking of this and people being autistic about guns:
People complaining they can't shoot at 25 yards with the embedded tritium sight in the P365 SAS are the same type of retard. The sight is designed for quick aim at close distances and the firearm itself being anti-snag, not for plinking. You see some reviews complaining about accuracy and, I hope this a troll, one specifically mentioning how his 1911 can hit at a distance just fine.
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To add context to the 9mm/.40 sperging: People were choosing .40 very early on due to 9mm not having very many +p cartridges or compatible firearms. 9mm wasn't as good 30 years ago as it is now.

The issue with the SAS sights is if they are fucked from the factory, they are fucked. You cannot adjust them. There's been people even at close range that have had terrible accuracy with them, for experience shooters. Anti-snag is a meme. If you are pocket carrying, get a vedder pocket holster. Dont pocket carry a gun without a holster. I pocket carried working retail for years in slacks with a vedder pocket holster. I never had any issues with snagging on practice draws. There is no reason to get a SAS style gun.


One example is James from TFB getting terrible groups along with another experienced friend. Couldn't make even a 6 inch group at 10 yards. Just not acceptable, add stress and it'll get even worse.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

The issue with the SAS sights is if they are fucked from the factory, they are fucked. You cannot adjust them. There's been people even at close range that have had terrible accuracy with them, for experience shooters. Anti-snag is a meme. If you are pocket carrying, get a vedder pocket holster. Dont pocket carry a gun without a holster.
One example is James from TFB getting terrible groups along with another experienced friend. Couldn't make even a 6 inch group at 10 yards. Just not acceptable, add stress and it'll get even worse.

I guess just saying they hate the sight itself conceptually due to it's inherent short range effectiveness is better than just mentioning the handgun. I'm well aware of the sighting issues from factory but that isn't what they are talking about. You can add the sight to any compatible handgun.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

I guess just saying they hate the sight itself conceptually due to it's inherent short range effectiveness is better than just mentioning the handgun. I'm well aware of the sighting issues from factory but that isn't what they are talking about. You can add the sight to any compatible handgun.

I just don't really see the point. You can get XS big dot sights and others that work basically the same, but also allows you to shoot accurately as they are normal sights, just with a big front to focus on. I just don't think snagging is really a concern. And if someone is that close well you are going to be point shooting, no matter what sights you have. It's kinda funny cause there's a flipside where people want their sights to be able to rack the gun if they need to.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I don't know about you guys, but as far as I'm concerned the ergonomics of the pistol itself are far more important to me than whether it's slinging out 9mm or .45. For example, I've got my basic bitch 9mm Glock and I'm a fairly competent shooter with it. Not going to be hitting a quarter at 20 yards with it, but I'm fine with that. Last year, one of the guys at the range showed up with a dumb obscure Wonder Nine I can't really remember the model, but no matter how much I tried I just couldn't get comfortable with that thing.

I didn't even realize how much of a difference better ergonomics would make in my shooting; before I found something with the right kind of special sauce, which fit my hands & the way my eyes work.
Until one of these happened:

Before I picked up a Steyr M9, I always struggled with anything Glock, S&W, 1911... and nearly everything else I'd ever handled. At the least I could never keep a consistent sight-picture & landing follow-up shots was a chore, and at worst I'd quickly stop shooting to save myself the embarrassment.

Spoiler: Steyr Spergery

Then I was handed an M9 A2 on the range by a friend one day. Besides the Steyr fitting my hands perfectly, it was the sights that truly sold me; the trapezoid/pyramid & pistol seemed to magnetically align itself with whatever I wanted to hit, and it makes point-shooting feel completely natural.... But it was a bit unsettling how everything else felt awkward afterwards, even for my old favorites.




The closest I can describe the sensation was that the pistol seemed to disappear into my hand & became part of it, almost like how a Luger or Walther PP did when I first handled one.

Besides those two pistols, only the CZ-75 & my grandfather's old Remington Model 51 approach that level of comfort & natural point-ability; but none of those were anywhere within my budget at the time (or ever will be). I still might pick up a Remington R51 though, if I can find one for the right price; even though they're largely garbage. If it handles & points anything like opa's vintage Model 51, I can live with owning a Big Green lemon, even if it's a jam-o-matic.

This is the final form I'm going for (sans the chonky grip panels & backstrap).


I was actually surprised at how little traction the Steyr M9 pistol got with guntubers past & present, since it has everything they coom themselves over now; what with the bore-axis, ergonomics, gimmicky sights (which actually work), and futuristic Robocop/Hudson H9-ish shape.

 

[Burger Feet]

I might have missed it, but does anyone have experience with lehigh or buffalo bore 10mm hardcast?

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

10mm JHPs are downloaded because it improves terminal performance. With full power loads 10mm HPs shear petals and don't expand reliably. Which makes 10mm totally pointless funnily enough.

That’s because people are just stuffing .40 bullets into 10mm. Black Talon never had that problem but once the FBI dropped 10mm Winchester stopped making purpose built bullets for 10mm.

Edit to avoid double post.

Ian decided to weigh in on the 5.56 in 223 Rem.

I look forward to the many eroded throats, keyholed bullets and occasional burst barrel from his dumbassery. He goes on about it yet the first question in the SAAMI faq is this question. The actual answer is that the chamber dimensions are slightly different which leads to the pressures when firing a 5.56 in a 223 Rem chamber to be higher then when in a 5.56 chamber. Will this blow up your gun? Not on the first second or even 1000th round but it will overstress the chamber. The most likely thing you will see is faster throat erosion from the slightly higher pressures. The bigger issue is twist rates. Most .223 Rem barrels, especially older ones have a 1:12 twist rate. That is the SAAMI recommended twist rate. This will not stabilize M855.

That being said the best thing for people to do is contact the gun manufacturer. I can guarantee they have tested this.

 

[Stage IV]

I found no issue with .40 and follow-up shots, I spent a day with a glock 26 and 27 went back and forth and found not enough recoil increase to affect my groups. later on I did the same with a 17 and 22 still no issue with follow ups. I find the capacity issue to be negligable and I still beleive in my gut objectively and empirically .40 "hits" harder than 9mm.

Yeah with proper grip the recoil isn't a big deal. It's the capacity. Delta Force started the GWOT with single stack 1911s in .45 then went to Glocks in .40, then Glocks in 9mm with extended mags.

Supposedly there were multiple instances of enemy fighters taking double digit hits to the chest with .45 and .40 HPs and still fighting.

 

[White Devil]

Supposedly there were multiple instances of enemy fighters taking double digit hits to the chest with .45 and .40 HPs and still fighting.

That's because they were on a massive amount of drugs.

 

[Stage IV]

That's because they were on a massive amount of drugs.

This is a myth from Somalia '93. The reason why they had trouble stopping people back then is because they were shooting M855 which is one of, if not the worst, projectiles ever designed. It sucks at everything. Delta ended up going to Black Hills and getting a custom 70-grain TSX round loaded for short barrels and the complaints about 5.56 stopped.

The Taliban actually banned drug use in Afghanistan. 9mm, .40, and .45 all suck at killing people. That's why you want as many rounds as possible.

Google the Tim Grammins shooting. Police officer shot a suspect 14 times, 6 of which hit the heart and lungs with .45 hollow points and the suspect kept shooting. Wasn't on drugs either.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

That's because they were on a massive amount of drugs.

There were some VERY MINOR reports of amphetamines being used by insurgents in Iraq in the early days of the conflict, at best.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This is a myth from Somalia '93. The reason why they had trouble stopping people back then is because they were shooting M855 which is one of, if not the worst, projectiles ever designed. It sucks at everything. Delta ended up going to Black Hills and getting a custom 70-grain TSX round loaded for short barrels and the complaints about 5.56 stopped.

That was in fucking 1993; thirty years later, and amphetamines are even far more pervasive, especially in the middle-east.

The Taliban actually banned drug use in Afghanistan. 9mm, .40, and .45 all suck at killing people.

Google the Tim Grammins shooting. Police officer shot a suspect 14 times, 6 of which hit the heart and lungs with .45 hollow points and the suspect kept shooting. Wasn't on drugs either.

Exceptions don't create the rules, no matter how notable they are; they have to be repeated a lot more often than by one or two guys who beat the odds.

There were some VERY MINOR reports of amphetamines being used by insurgents in Iraq in the early days of the conflict, at best.

Minor? Even back when I was there the local haji militias could put most strung out American college students to shame with the amount of dope they slammed; pure speed, ya-ba, MDA, coke, ritalin, fucking bath-salts, HGH/testosterone, even shit like veterinary adrenaline & steroids; it didn't matter if it got them gacked, to the point where we had safety briefings about it regularly (i.e. how to recognize a tweaking suicide-bomber or wannabe martyr at our ECPs & don't take the Iraqi aspirins if you find them).

ISIS is also notorious for being riddled with tweakers, although Iraq also has the highest rate of opiate & amphetamine addicts in SW Asia.

That's just one small shipment of speed bound for ISIS militants in Syria.

We regularly found empty bottles, boxes & vials full of that shit on dead & captured hajis every time they tried to have a stand-up fight with us; in Najaf, Tikrit, Samarra, etc. There were even DEA agents embedded with our MP companies to confiscate & investigate dope off detained & dead insurgents, not just administer piss-tests to bored fobbits & bust KBR/TCN contractors tying to sell us hash.

And speaking of tramadol; that shit is rampant in Russia & Syria; until recently it was sold over the counter (if I recall correctly). Tramadol is also what Russians have been using for serious wounds & injuries instead of morphine, especially DPR troops. I've heard it asked for several times in videos with soldiers who'd just been hit.

 

[White Devil]

That was in fucking 1993; thirty years later, and amphetamines are even far more pervasive, especially in the middle-east.



Exceptions don't create the rules, no matter how notable they are; they have to be repeated a lot more often than by one or two guys who beat the odds.

Minor? Even back when I was there the local haji militias could put most strung out American college students to shame with the amount of dope they slammed; pure speed, ya-ba, MDA, coke, ritalin, fucking bath-salts, HGH/testosterone, even shit like veterinary adrenaline & steroids; it didn't matter if it got them gacked, to the point where we had safety briefings about it regularly (i.e. how to recognize a tweaking suicide-bomber or wannabe martyr at our ECPs & don't take the Iraqi aspirins if you find them).

ISIS is also notorious for being riddled with tweakers, although Iraq also has the highest rate of opiate & amphetamine addicts in SW Asia.
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That's just one small shipment of speed bound for ISIS militants in Syria.

We regularly found empty bottles, boxes & vials full of that shit on dead & captured hajis every time they tried to have a stand-up fight with us; in Najaf, Tikrit, Samarra, etc. There were even DEA agents embedded with our MP companies to confiscate & investigate dope off detained & dead insurgents, not just administer piss-tests to bored fobbits & bust KBR/TCN contractors tying to sell us hash.

And speaking of tramadol; that shit is rampant in Russia & Syria; until recently it was sold over the counter (if I recall correctly). Tramadol is also what Russians have been using for serious wounds & injuries instead of morphine, especially DPR troops. I've heard it asked for several times in videos with soldiers who'd just been hit.

No dude, you're wrong. Listen to the pogs / people who were never there.

I stopped reading that moron's response when he tried to authoritatively say "X sucks at killing people" like he's ever fired a gun in anger. Faggot.

 

[HelpingNoone]

Tramadol is also what Russians have been using for serious wounds & injuries instead of morphine, especially DPR troops. I've heard it asked for several times in videos with soldiers who'd just been hit.

I certainly would be pretty disappointed if someone gave me Tramadol after getting shot. It was highly ineffective when I snapped my thigh in two. Over here it's was the "safe" alternative to give people after the opioid epidemic, but it doesn't even meet the real stuff halfway.

Maybe it's for supply chain reasons? They don't need an opium source like morphine, etc for it...
Or it's because it makes a shitty recreational drug and the top brass doesn't want the troops using up the supply?

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Sage Dynamics is taking his videos to patreon exclusive. Something about being able to better interact with his fans.

 

[WelperHelper99]

That was in fucking 1993; thirty years later, and amphetamines are even far more pervasive, especially in the middle-east.



Exceptions don't create the rules, no matter how notable they are; they have to be repeated a lot more often than by one or two guys who beat the odds.

Minor? Even back when I was there the local haji militias could put most strung out American college students to shame with the amount of dope they slammed; pure speed, ya-ba, MDA, coke, ritalin, fucking bath-salts, HGH/testosterone, even shit like veterinary adrenaline & steroids; it didn't matter if it got them gacked, to the point where we had safety briefings about it regularly (i.e. how to recognize a tweaking suicide-bomber or wannabe martyr at our ECPs & don't take the Iraqi aspirins if you find them).

ISIS is also notorious for being riddled with tweakers, although Iraq also has the highest rate of opiate & amphetamine addicts in SW Asia.
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That's just one small shipment of speed bound for ISIS militants in Syria.

We regularly found empty bottles, boxes & vials full of that shit on dead & captured hajis every time they tried to have a stand-up fight with us; in Najaf, Tikrit, Samarra, etc. There were even DEA agents embedded with our MP companies to confiscate & investigate dope off detained & dead insurgents, not just administer piss-tests to bored fobbits & bust KBR/TCN contractors tying to sell us hash.

And speaking of tramadol; that shit is rampant in Russia & Syria; until recently it was sold over the counter (if I recall correctly). Tramadol is also what Russians have been using for serious wounds & injuries instead of morphine, especially DPR troops. I've heard it asked for several times in videos with soldiers who'd just been hit.

With that amount and the type of drugs being used, it doesn't matter if you're getting hit with a 9mm, 40, or 45, you'll need shot placement  and a shit ton of lead just to take them out. Reminds me of the Moro juramentado warriors, of which the 45 ACP was designed for, to replace .38 Long Colt, because of their chest bindings slowing blood loss, and just a shit ton of drugs.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Sage Dynamics is taking his videos to patreon exclusive. Something about being able to better interact with his fans.

Paywalling an entire channel has historically been acknowledged to be a bad idea. Even Karl decided to tear down that wall; but, then again, look where he is now. Shilling a Turkshit 1911 and supporting ANTIFA.

 

[White Devil]

Paywalling an entire channel has historically been acknowledged to be a bad idea. Even Karl decided to tear down that wall; but, then again, look where he is now. Shilling a Turkshit 1911 and supporting ANTIFA.

It might work in his case since he's considered the internet authority on MRDS.

 

[likeacrackado]

Sage Dynamics is taking his videos to patreon exclusive. Something about being able to better interact with his fans.

Still uploading new videos to defend his overpriced branded rifles:

Guys with branded guns are bad enough, Sage has it to where he has branded guns/components from different companies that directly compete with eachother (SOLGW and Rosco)

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

I'm assuming Karl is against this, right? Then again it's under the guise of "extremism" and Karl is a bit pissy about those dirty transphobes.

BARR: Banks Might Start Closing Accounts Of Customers Who Buy Too Many Guns Or Too Much Ammo

 

[DocAwe]

Russell (I'm guessing) & Karl actually being kinda fun.
This is what they should be doing more of.