Could the problem be that none or very few of this forums members are what its accused of being? - While the enemy is exactly what it accuses the membership as a whole of being?

[TrulyMan]

This is not really a call to action on anything. Just a discussion I wanted to have for all the months I had been browsing the site without having an active account.

We don´t have any organized way of fighting back.
Null tries to give his side of the story on the forum and on the podcast but that doesn´t have a very long reach.
Individuals send a bunch of complaints to their individual ISPs.
That´s about it.

These people monitor Wikipedia 24/7. They are at constant contact with journalists. They threaten spouses of people who run ISPs. They smuggle and illegally transfer and/or sell gray market medicines to children without their parents consent, several of them have been accused of sexual misconduct and much more.
They constantly whitewash their degeneracy while continuing to practice it. There hasn´t even been an attempt to include their degeneracy on Wikipedia according to the talk page of for example Liz Fong-Jones, there is no co-ordinated campaign on Twitter to discredit them with facts. A few members post about it, a few journalists and activists interested in freedom of information have touched upon it but that´s about it.

This is even disregarding the lack of action of the type that the sites membership has been accused of . The stuff that would be "fedposting". It seems that Null is particularly opposed to this and would prefer the site to die a quiet death as a martyr and first victim of a new type of censorship relentlessly and with illegal means pursued by private citizens against a completely legal entity. And maybe there is a symbolic victory there in defeat, something to rally on around as other sites start to be targeted.

The problem is I feel that there aren´t that many other sites left. This is a sad thing to note. The internet that used to be a massive interconnected web of small and medium sized websites of all sorts. The reality today is that we are instead interconnected through closed loops of disjointed large corporate social media platforms. One of which is Twitter that even tried to ban the linking of ones profile from it to other social media platforms, completely undercutting the original concept of the internet as a place of interconnected nodes. (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/18/tech/twitter-ban-social-media-links/index.html)
Though he seems to have backed down.

So what to do? Twitter itself with Musk taking ownership was a sort of disruptive element in the corporate controlled social media sphere the way Trump was in US politics. But eccentric millionaires/billionaires are few and far between and now he seems to be stepping down as CEO over some Twitter poll (see the same article) having grown tired of it.

Most of what is out there is curated and either directly censored or under a large degree of self-censorship. Finding alternatives using any of the established search engines except for Brave is difficult as the results themselves are censored and manipulated, so what little there is out there is also hard to find.

Shouldn´t we go out with a roar rather than a whimper? Or will this Gandhi stuff eventually yield some results?

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

You still can vote.

 

[Blasterisk]

virgin "go out with a roar" vs. chad "stay inside and laugh at retards"

 

[TrulyMan]

virgin "go out with a roar" vs. chad "stay inside and laugh at retards"

This is a false dichotomy.
It´s like that classic game/novel "I have no mouth and I want to scream" .
I mean, sure, you can laugh alone in your apartment but a good joke should be shared.

 

[rel=alternate]

There is nothing we can do at our scale. The problem is not with the Internet or the ISPs, it's with governments, trannies and politicians in general.

You can say your truth as much as you want, make good points, have people supporting you, ultimately it does not matter.

The newspaper will read something to the effect of "Tranny haters, doxers and alleged murderers are using misinformation to turn people into white nationalists". From this point on, anyone with a brain knows not to publicly associate with the site. The few who chose to do so are made an example of.

There is an ideology who governs what is acceptable to say, and how to present it to the public. KF cannot fight against this.

 

[thebigjoel]

As long as someone is out there to hate us, Kiwi Farms is in jeopardy of being locked away. As a fellow kiwi stated, the only thing we can do now is wait.

 

[TrulyMan]

There is nothing we can do at our scale. The problem is not with the Internet or the ISPs, it's with governments, trannies and politicians in general.

You can say your truth as much as you want, make good points, have people supporting you, ultimately it does not matter.

The newspaper will read something to the effect of "Tranny haters, doxers and alleged murderers are using misinformation to turn people into white nationalists". From this point on, anyone with a brain knows not to publicly associate with the site. The few who chose to do so are made an example of.

There is an ideology who governs what is acceptable to say, and how to present it to the public. KF cannot fight against this.

Co-ordinated forum actions have been effective in the past. Which is why the "anonymous is not your personal army" thing became a popular meme. They are against the rules of this site. Maybe its time to change that. Yes, making people understand that Kiwifarms is a fun place full of counter-culture and edgy (sometimes cringy) humour is beyond what a short term campaign can achieve.Even though we could amplify tweets and videos that share all the child rapists, animal abusers, sociopathic youtube-fame-parents and so forth that the site has exposed.

The alternative is to trash the people who attack the site. Look at the republican hearing of that tranny who called for the accousting of supreme court justices. That was a missed opportunity to latch on and publicly connect her to the #Dropkiwifarms campaign at a time that would have thus exposed the whole campaign as full of hypocrites.

We could amplify accounts and hasthags that only share verified, sourced information. We could organize mass mailing campaigns, perhaps even automated ones that distribute this information. If we could cause enough heat under the fire of one individual and turn their perceived karma from white to black then that could be a rallying point for more "normies" to openly oppose them, even if they don´t for that openly support this site.

An other angle is putting some effort in editing public repositories of knowledge, again not in support of Kiwifarms primarily but in an effort to expose the lolcows active in the campaign for the degenerates they are. Some autists here could get together on a discord and co-ordinate efforts on that and every other angle of attack in small groups.

I dont know if any of this is worth doing but considering that Arelion (Tier 1 Network, the largest in the world) supposedly is now censoring the site after a direct harassment effort against people involved in the company then the time is now if ever. Maybe if those people learn who has been making threats to them, as rich and powerful as they are they might not lay down so easily.
Some types of people simply dont like being lied to or told what to do.

 

[rel=alternate]

Co-ordinated forum actions have been effective in the past.

How so?

The alternative is to trash the people who attack the site. Look at the republican hearing of that tranny who called for the accousting of supreme court justices. That was a missed opportunity to latch on and publicly connect her to the #Dropkiwifarms campaign at a time that would have thus exposed the whole campaign as full of hypocrites.

We already do. That's pretty much what the forum is about. But when everybody granting mass visibility is boiling it down to ism and phobia, it does not carry the same weight. We are already the villains, not an elected politician with the benefit of the doubt.

We could amplify accounts and hasthags that only share verified, sourced information. We could organize mass mailing campaigns, perhaps even automated ones that distribute this information. If we could cause enough heat under the fire of one individual and turn their perceived karma from white to black then that could be a rallying point for more "normies" to openly oppose them, even if they don´t for that openly support this site.

Look at what happened at Twitter, you can't amplify something that is already shadow banned or limited. It would end up being Kiwis circle jerking on the shitty social media platforms we mock to begin with.

Also sounds like a tranny type psy-op if I am being honest. I'd personally not be interested in this.

An other angle is putting some effort in editing public repositories of knowledge, again not in support of Kiwifarms primarily but in an effort to expose the lolcows active in the campaign for the degenerates they are. Some autists here could get together on a discord and co-ordinate efforts on that and every other angle of attack in small groups.

It only takes one tranny admin for all this to be wiped, or pressure from one like Lizzy. Unless you own it, it will be taken down or edited.

I dont know if any of this is worth doing but considering that Arelion (Tier 1 Network, the largest in the world) supposedly is now censoring the site after a direct harassment effort against people involved in the company then the time is now if ever. Maybe if those people learn who has been making threats to them, as rich and powerful as they are they might not lay down so easily.
Some types of people simply dont like being lied to or told what to do.

Imo, it's naive to assume that they do not know. There is something in it for them one way or the other. Maybe it's networking, maybe they just don't want to argue with crazy trannies.

 

[Coelacanth]

A lot of the problem is the sheer lack of other lolcow communities. Apart from Kiwi Farms where else are you going to find a decently active place to talk about the antics of stupid autists online in the modern era? Most of the other places like Something Awful, Encyclopedia Dramatica have decayed and newer ones that have come along have been made to either spite the Farms, attempt to be the Farms or completely embrace the "acceptable" way of looking at lolcows. Kiwi Farms is too big to really fight back without severe consequences if you want my opinion.

Is there a solution to this? Possibly. Have you ever heard of speakeasies? They were places that popped up all over America during the prohibition era that served alcohol in small, unassuming buildings. They were generally small but many existed and they kept a low profile to avoid trouble from the cops. That might be the best way forward for non-pc online communities too at this rate.

 

[Onni Kalsarikännit]

Co-ordinated forum actions have been effective in the past. Which is why the "anonymous is not your personal army" thing became a popular meme. They are against the rules of this site. Maybe its time to change that. Yes, making people understand that Kiwifarms is a fun place full of counter-culture and edgy (sometimes cringy) humour is beyond what a short term campaign can achieve.Even though we could amplify tweets and videos that share all the child rapists, animal abusers, sociopathic youtube-fame-parents and so forth that the site has exposed.

The alternative is to trash the people who attack the site. Look at the republican hearing of that tranny who called for the accousting of supreme court justices. That was a missed opportunity to latch on and publicly connect her to the #Dropkiwifarms campaign at a time that would have thus exposed the whole campaign as full of hypocrites.

We could amplify accounts and hasthags that only share verified, sourced information. We could organize mass mailing campaigns, perhaps even automated ones that distribute this information. If we could cause enough heat under the fire of one individual and turn their perceived karma from white to black then that could be a rallying point for more "normies" to openly oppose them, even if they don´t for that openly support this site.

An other angle is putting some effort in editing public repositories of knowledge, again not in support of Kiwifarms primarily but in an effort to expose the lolcows active in the campaign for the degenerates they are. Some autists here could get together on a discord and co-ordinate efforts on that and every other angle of attack in small groups.

I dont know if any of this is worth doing but considering that Arelion (Tier 1 Network, the largest in the world) supposedly is now censoring the site after a direct harassment effort against people involved in the company then the time is now if ever. Maybe if those people learn who has been making threats to them, as rich and powerful as they are they might not lay down so easily.
Some types of people simply dont like being lied to or told what to do.

All these things have been tried in the past after greater attacks on the forum and they all have failed bc KF is the evil Nazi terrorist boogeyman noone wants to touch or side with.

No one listens to what Null has to say bc he is the leader of an super evil Nazi hate cult that bullies people to death and bombs kittens and whatnot.

You out yourself as Kiwi on Twitter you will be ignored, laughed at or attacked. But noone will listen to you no matter how civil you act or how many proofs you have.

 

[Breadbassket]

Every time there is some sort of site-wide crisis effecting the existence of KF at least one thread like this one pops up. Just accept KiwiFarms will by its nature always have enemies because its users documents the heinous acts people commit and archives them. It doesn't help that this aforementioned nature alienates potential allies from many parts of the political spectrum because it has threads on everyone be they left wing or right wing or anything else. All that leaves is people who would back KF for the sake of the "common good" and there aren't that many of them in the world relatively speaking.

 

[TrulyMan]

A lot of the problem is the sheer lack of other lolcow communities. Apart from Kiwi Farms where else are you going to find a decently active place to talk about the antics of stupid autists online in the modern era? Most of the other places like Something Awful, Encyclopedia Dramatica have decayed and newer ones that have come along have been made to either spite the Farms, attempt to be the Farms or completely embrace the "acceptable" way of looking at lolcows. Kiwi Farms is too big to really fight back without severe consequences if you want my opinion.

Is there a solution to this? Possibly. Have you ever heard of speakeasies? They were places that popped up all over America during the prohibition era that served alcohol in small, unassuming buildings. They were generally small but many existed and they kept a low profile to avoid trouble from the cops. That might be the best way forward for non-pc online communities too at this rate.

What serious consequences?
Its already tilting on the abyss. At what point do you just say fuck it and fight fire with fire?

The alternative isn´t what youre proposing since you can´t access the road anymore. You can´t walk the streets, you can´t explore your town. The search engines control your access to the speakeasies while the social media sites obscure or censore links between them. Word of mouth is for real life. Here we need links and search queries. The alternative will be more like Soviet style Samizdat. Spread within already established circles of dissidents, very hush-hush, extremely small circulations and more important very limited distribution. On the opposite scale of "speak-easies." https://www.britannica.com/technology/samizdat . That´s not really an alternative, it is something you do once you´re already defeated.

And to the previous queries.
"We" don´t matter. You don´t out yourself as a Kiwi. The idea is to trash the trannies, although co-ordinate at first from here out of necessity, the campaign wouldnt be publicly related to Kiwifarms at all. Sure, the amplification links would be spread on the forum but also all over the net. Organic growth of the campaign would be the primary modus operandi. People like juicy gossip, that´s why we´re here. Even if the the other side amplifies that it originates from Kiwifarms, people will soak up all the drama and share it anyway.

And there are plenty of people out there in opposition to pedophiles, sex pests, radical SJWs, censorship advocates and so on who could latch on if the thing was done right.

All these things have been tried in the past after greater attacks on the forum and they all have failed bc KF is the evil Nazi terrorist boogeyman noone wants to touch or side with.

I don´t think they´ve been tried a single time, in any co-ordianted way that is being done against Kiwifarms. This does not include the occassional post like this "oh lets go gang" that dies off in 1 month. This is a myth, perpetuated out of ignorance, though Im open to be corrected.

In essence, this is the whole point of the OP, more so than a call to action. It´s exactly what they accuse us of doing, yet it has never been done.

 

[Sperghetti]

All these things have been tried in the past after greater attacks on the forum and they all have failed bc KF is the evil Nazi terrorist boogeyman noone wants to touch or side with.

No one listens to what Null has to say bc he is the leader of an super evil Nazi hate cult that bullies people to death and bombs kittens and whatnot.

You out yourself as Kiwi on Twitter you will be ignored, laughed at or attacked. But noone will listen to you no matter how civil you act or how many proofs you have.

Agreed. The the only people who defend us who don’t already like/use the site are hardcore free speech extremists, and even then, they have to cover their asses by giving a disclaimer that we’re literally hitler. Nobody less extreme will ever stick their neck out for us, because it’s not a socially acceptable thing to do.

And it’s not just because of trannies, it’s because over the course of the last decade, most people have bought into this notion that people can be tragically bullied to death over the internet. All trannies had to do was exploit that.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

This has been my position all along. The same people who championed Keffals and his sick entourage of subhuman freaks, from Ana Kapserian to Ben Collins to Bardfinn and everyTHING in between, gave an approving nod to entities like Savannah Malms aka rx0rcist, or that thoroughly mediocre Hilary Elizabeth Sargent broad who runs Anonymous Comrade Replicant.

https://twitter.com/AnonCommieStan/status/1594717080636596231

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/prolific-antifa-doxing-account-anonymous-comrade-collective-revealed-ex-journo-hilary-elizabeth-sargent-of-roslindale-ma.139752/

It is the same abject hypocrisy that allows leftist to see the George Flyod riots and mayhem with a benign eye and somehow see January 6 as an actual coup.

To what extent this is actual cognitive dissonance and to what extent they know of these inconsistencies is unclear to me. Regardless, I hate them with every fibre of my being.

 

[Onni Kalsarikännit]

I don´t think they´ve been tried a single time, in any co-ordianted way that is being done against Kiwifarms. This does not include the occassional post like this "oh lets go gang" that dies off in 1 month. This is a myth, perpetuated out of ignorance, though Im open to be corrected.

In essence, this is the whole point of the OP, more so than a call to action. It´s exactly what they accuse us of doing, yet it has never been done.

Sounds more like that we have a bit different opinions on what are coordinated actions and mine may be more losely than yours or what you think off to make your point. Given that this might be the case and you think of something more serious I would say I missunderstood your post/intention and even agree on your point that it's just another myth around the Farms which in the end is used against the Farms.

 

[indigoisviolet]

You're possibly crediting these petty, self-loating people with a lot more power than they really have, and overlooking that mere laughter sends them into an existential tailspin.

KF "wins" by default of not being a hideous tranny sex pest, something that every hideous tranny sex pest is reminded of when they accidentally catch sight of their own reflection. KF "wins" by default of not being a journalist who cheerleads for hideous tranny sex pests. Or not being an elected representative bribed with favours from a sole patent holder of paediatic HRT to the point of being unable to define the word "woman".

Look at the absurd, extreme measures transsexual child groomers and their enablers have gone to try to knock a backwater forum offline, a site with less than 1% of their own multimedia reach. They have illegally attacked the very architecture of the internet itself! And for what? "S-stop laughing at me!" These people are so crazy that this bothers them more than when they publish evidence of their own sex crimes against children, and these posts end up archived here.

They are fighting a tar baby; the harder they strike, the more immobile they become. KF doesn't have to do anything at all. Even if they were to succeed and KF lived on only as a static museum of cringe, the laughter would not stop.

As for all these big tech child abuse enablers "accidentally" rerouting services away from a tiny archival forum, they are exposing how fragile and impermanent e-commerce really is, hanging on the whim of a faceless backroom individual so morally vacant that the say-so of a male sex offender in a dress can potentially knock an entire industy offline, and currently nobody even face scrutiny let alone be called to justify their actions. A kiwi in a coalmine. The trannies won't stop here if they succeed. Tranny rapist with a grudge against Neflixxx because a commedian told a joke? Amazon allowing such prejudice in one book to be purchased!? And so on. The powerhouse online businesses are one Saturday night late shift phonecall away from becoming unavailable to all but those who know the secret power of a Bulgarian VPN, and you can place guaranteed bets that this bullshit will stop dead in its tracks then.

In the meantime, KF loses its sense of humour at its own detriment, as that is what hurts these ideologues, fetishists, and sex criminals the most. Point and laugh, and these cunts lose their minds. They have freely given this forum a power over themselves that a co-ordinated army could not enact by force: they keep feeding the trolls.

 

[cybertoaster]

Unlike those unwashed permaNEETs in programmer socks I have a life and a job. Also they can always appeal to NGOs and a press that bends over backwards to please their kind.

If I say any wrongthink IRL I get fired, simple as. Right wing NGOs are more concerned about nobody saying bad things about israel or helping faceless multinational megacorporations to evade taxes than keeping what little free speech the west still has or fighting the unjust incarceration of political dissidents, unlike left groups who will pay a million dollar bail for a convicted pedophile because they belong to some special group.

 

[TrulyMan]

In the meantime, KF loses its sense of humour at its own detriment, as that is what hurts these ideologues, fetishists, and sex criminals the most. Point and laugh, and these cunts lose their minds. They have freely given this forum a power over themselves that a co-ordinated army could not enact by force: they keep feeding the trolls.

Yup. You´re absolutely right. It´s the debate that raged during and post the 9/11 / Patriot Act era in regards to national security vs Freedom(tm). At what point do you become your own worst enemy? The difference being that a bunch of hotheads in turbans in Afghanistan never really could threaten the actual national security of the United States.
The problem here is that you, for the sake of lulz are completely and willfully underestimating the impact these trannies have. Not only on us, but as you and the EFF has pointed out, it will set a precedent for others as well.
Null has repeatedly stated that this is the last line of defense. And its already being breached on 3 of about 10 fronts/sides.

There's a strange mix here of unadulterated optimism and at the same time a sense of resignation. Its the sort of cognitive dissonance we mock these tards over, yet we have it here too.

Unlike those unwashed permaNEETs in programmer socks I have a life and a job. Also they can always appeal to NGOs and a press that bends over backwards to please their kind.

In a broader sense that´s our fault that the press and the NGOs that are doing well are in their hands. Though in reality they are used by an other group of people to break the bonds that hold society together. Regardless while you kept rolling on, they kept seething and in the end they actually did something about it. Of course instead of actual self-improvement or even collective improvement they chose to force and promote their degeneracy (in the worst possible way) to the world. And now we´re here, in the bed we let them make for us.

 

[TayandYou]

What serious consequences?
Its already tilting on the abyss. At what point do you just say fuck it and fight fire with fire?

Okay Fed, which alphabet agency do you work for and what acts of cyberterrorism are you trying to pin on Kiwifarms this time?

There's a strange mix here of unadulterated optimism and at the same time a sense of resignation. Its the sort of cognitive dissonance we mock these tards over, yet we have it here too.

I think the answer to why this is the case is obvious.

 

[$5.3 Million Dollars]

We are not a social movement, we are not a political party, we are not a religious organization, we don’t teach, we don’t preach, we influence no one, we achieve nothing.

We have no obligation to be « morally consistent » or even come a consensus on any one topic.
We are a varied group of aimless users from all over the political spectrum and spread across the world.

But that makes it scarier, doesn’t it?
It’s much easier to write us all off as dangerous enemies with some kind of goal in mind so you can rally support by burning our flag and comparing us to actual historical monsters than it is to face the reality: that the things we say about you on here are the statements of ordinary people you see everyday. This is what the public at large thinks of you and your actions.

There’s no conspiracy, there’s no violence, we’ve never killed anyone, but we said all the things you’ve been afraid that people have been thinking about you.
But if you admit that’s the case people will just tell you to suck it up: no adult should fall to pieces because some random asshole tells them their makeup looks closer to that of a clown than the supermodel you see yourself as.
So you HAVE to make it bigger. We HAVE to be a threat, otherwise you’re just an immature, spoiled brat forced to face the consequences of his own decisions.

That’s why deadnaming and being forced to pay for your own cosmetic surgeries have gone from annoyances to acts of war by genocidal maniacs. That’s why all the little insecurities felt by grown men playing make believe are now transphobic hate crimes. That’s why being rejected sexually is now transphobic.
Because if it isn’t then that means the burdens of financial obligations, social integration and sexual desirability are all their own responsibility, as well as all the consequences when none of it works as planned (because you’re a broke medication slave who is a misery to be around and less sexually appealing than ever before).
If we don’t have an agenda they can map, a persistent ideology they can refute or an imaginary body count they can point to then maybe, just maybe, this is how normal people actually feel about what they say and do.

You can’t fight that.
You can’t burn a flag that doesn’t exist.

Even if the site goes down the people who use won't have their views changed. We're not an autistic illuminati, but unlike troons we exist outside of the internet and its end won't truly spell ours. Fuck this 'fight fire with fire' nonsense.