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Were incels avoidable?
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It's not part of the definition though, whether or not there's a huge overlap. And there are virgins who have religious reasons for it, or just don't believe casual sex is a prudent or moral practice, and only want to have sex with a partner for life, or for whatever reason just don't want to have sex ever.
It's almost definitional about incels that they're the vilest people you could possibly imagine and you wouldn't want to spend time with them no matter what sex you are.
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I think there are some men who are too ugly to ever be able to pull off a one-night stand. However, I think most men, provided they've got a good personality and a plan for life beyond sitting around all day and playing vidya, are capable of getting into a long-term relationship and finding a wife. What attracts someone for casual sex and what attracts for a long-term relationship are two different things.
So no, I don't think everyone can have casual sex. But I think nearly everyone can have sex within a real relationship.
So no, I don't think everyone can have casual sex. But I think nearly everyone can have sex within a real relationship.
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Casual sex incidentally is a major reason this has gotten so bad. When the line between dating and sex blurred to become a cultural statement that if you're dating than you must surely be fucking, dating prospects for lower-echelon guys simply evaporated when being seen with them was effectively stigmatized.
Marital status aside, it used to be that you simply didn't have sex unless you were in a committed relationship. "Going steady" is what they used to call it. This allowed people to date simply to socialize.
There'd be no social shaming for dating below your status because you weren't seen by all as also hooking up. Whole groups of casual couples could go out and have fun someplace. If two people dated long enough for it to develop into a long-term relationship, they might then be seen as a serious couple who have progressed to sex or maybe engagement with time.
I realize that the mid-20th century dating culture isn't the natural order of things either, but it was probably a pretty good system if you were a guy with low self-esteem who was terrified of rejection.
Marital status aside, it used to be that you simply didn't have sex unless you were in a committed relationship. "Going steady" is what they used to call it. This allowed people to date simply to socialize.
There'd be no social shaming for dating below your status because you weren't seen by all as also hooking up. Whole groups of casual couples could go out and have fun someplace. If two people dated long enough for it to develop into a long-term relationship, they might then be seen as a serious couple who have progressed to sex or maybe engagement with time.
I realize that the mid-20th century dating culture isn't the natural order of things either, but it was probably a pretty good system if you were a guy with low self-esteem who was terrified of rejection.
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I think it was also better for women with lower sex drives, religious, cautious about STDs/pregnancy, or who are a bit bashful. Being able to date without an expectation of 'putting out' makes women more willing to date.
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Isn't that most of the population at this point? Sure there are levels to being a bad person and some just aren't good people, but a lot of the men and women who are lonely at times are good people who want to spend time with other good people, or basically want to have real friends instead of company.
I really think we're reaching a point where being a good or interesting person makes you a social outcast in many situations.
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It doesn't really matter what's part of the definition because it's not a real word anyway. There is no such thing as an incel. No one is stopping these people from getting laid except themselves. If they don't want too then that's fine. They just need to stop sitting around whining raging and seething all day about it. It's not healthy. That or just admit they celibate which is actually a thing. If they refuse to have sex outside of marriage for religious reasons, then that would make them celibate. Not "incels". Like I said before that is an actual thing.
Not really. Unless they are so ugly, they wouldn't need a mask on Halloween. Women need to stop being so Boomer tier. It's the 21st century. Video games are a popular hobby for men. Especially young men. More men are playing video games these days than ever. Also considering the economic conditions in the US more men are unemployed or under employed. Some just have more free time to play video games.
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I was simply using excessive gaming as an example. It could as easily be replaced with watching too much TV or smoking pot all day every day. There's no problem with playing video games in and of itself, I wasn't trying to say that.
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It's definitely something along those lines. Last time I was looking for a long term relationship I'd have women speed running to get to the bedroom. I was after something serious, but without any promoting from me if she's throwing the pussy at me (When I'm single) I'm going to take it. She's also removed herself from the running as a potential serious partner, "Thanks for sex, now bye".
There's no social shaming for these women, neither of you are in the same social circles and you both know nobody you know will know. They'll continue until they hit the wall.
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Fucking based!
Anyways, incels - in every meaning of the word - are unavoidable.
Men who are SOL and never get their dick wet for whatever reason will always be the norm. That's pretty much the reason why women have a higher genetic diversity than men.
"Incels", as in what "nerds" were back in the 80s and 90s aka men that women find undesirable aka the bottom 80%, will also always be a thing.
"Incels", referring to men that think that feminism has been nothing but a net disaster for society or are otherwise not on board with it, will naturally be inevitable as well as long as feminism exists.
"Incels", as in terminal spergs that snap go on shooting sprees, will also always be unavoidable because the reasons for men going postal are way more complex and deep seated than simply angsting over being maidenless.
As you can see, whatever your definition of incels is, they were never avoidable and are a fact of life. However, the term itself might go way in the near future as the incel has now officially become a dead meme, especially since Henry Cavill of all people has been called one simply for preferring to spend his free time sperging about Warhammer 40K rather than dealing with emotionally stunted nutcases that is the average modern westoid woman and the #MeToo nonsense. But that in itself might be another tale for another time.
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More women than men have added their DNA to the human gene pool
Counterintuitive effect may be the result of relatively few men mating with multiple women
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that doesn't mean what you said tho
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Let me rephrase it then: Men that never got to reproduce (or literally die as virgins) existed since time immemorial and always will. Hope that clears things up.
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No, incels are unavoidable.
What was avoidable was the stigmatization around being one.
The word incel in the last 4 years became so broad in definition it became essentially purpose.
The unapologetic spree-shooter type who idolized Elliot Rodger became synonymous with the average nerd who occasionally bitched about the shitshow that was modern gender interaction.
I think the problem is how much importance modern society has placed on being an incel. I think in most other time-periods autistic men would feel less shame in finding validation through a nerdy hobby or becoming good at a craft and would excel quite well in it. You used to be the equivalent of "the train kid" or otaku without their being an underlying pressure outside of social exclusion within your immediate local area. But with the modern internet it's hard to be even the voluntary celibate for most men, who will feel a sense of societal pressure to be an extrovert not only with women, but in most social situations.
I think with the post-2012 internet we gave up the age where you can have the true unabashed nerd without there being some political/ideological correlation between them.
What was avoidable was the stigmatization around being one.
The word incel in the last 4 years became so broad in definition it became essentially purpose.
The unapologetic spree-shooter type who idolized Elliot Rodger became synonymous with the average nerd who occasionally bitched about the shitshow that was modern gender interaction.
I think the problem is how much importance modern society has placed on being an incel. I think in most other time-periods autistic men would feel less shame in finding validation through a nerdy hobby or becoming good at a craft and would excel quite well in it. You used to be the equivalent of "the train kid" or otaku without their being an underlying pressure outside of social exclusion within your immediate local area. But with the modern internet it's hard to be even the voluntary celibate for most men, who will feel a sense of societal pressure to be an extrovert not only with women, but in most social situations.
I think with the post-2012 internet we gave up the age where you can have the true unabashed nerd without there being some political/ideological correlation between them.
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You can legalise it as it has been in some places, but the stigma won't go away.
"Chad" doesn't "Have to" pay for it so they'll still be the underclass, but one that's being "exploited" for money. Or something, something like that.
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As long as there's sex to be had and some people aren't getting any, there will always be some level of bitterness there.
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Incels - as in the more traditional definition - are hung up on validation and insist that the women they desire choose them. From how I understood it it isn't really the lack of sex they're oy veying about - which theoretically you could fix with a hooker (or even a sex doll if you're into that sort of thing...), but the lack of companionship. If I'm not mistaken they used to be called "Forever Alone" not too long ago, which I believe makes more sense.