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[Extreme Crusader]

 

[MrJokerRager]

The obsession with "decorum" never ends as you would expect the Democrats to egg this speaker delays on further for their own amusement and the liberal late night talk show hosts could make more jokes.

However the Democrats and most of the Republicans just wanted to "get on with it" in a hurry.

 

[Flan Handler]

No need to be sad- this week was a complete bonus, no one expected we were going to get this show, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

What everyone expected was, McCarthy gets rubber-stamped, and they get on their number one and two priorities: funnelling cash to Ukraine and stamping out any MAGA vestiges in the party and across the land.

Kev and the Crenshaws didn’t apparently think enough of FC to secure their votes before this week. This was an embarrassing miscalculation. If nothing else, we should see a little less dismissive cockiness from the RINOs.

 

[Johnny Salami]

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The confrontation at around 1:30

 

[thog]

I think one of the concessions was the allowance of a one-man motion to vacate. That would mean if a simple majority votes against McCarthy he's done. I'm not sure how this stuff works entirely, but if he actually allows one-man motions to vacate, the HFC might actually have him by the balls.

I doubt anything will happen, though. We're talking about politicians here.

 

[duckbutter&toejamsandwich]

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The confrontation at around 1:30

So, anyone read lips?

 

[ShitLurker]

It's why i can never take Jan 6 seriously when the 2020 riots lasted for several months as opposed to 2 hours. Not to mentiom the defendants are still being held without trial. Babbit's mother being arrested is gonna be a political shit show for the left.

No it's not, we love talking about the "Streisand effects" or "look how hipocritical dems look" but once the dust settles, nothing fucking happens. A few more people get angry, but this will not be a sort of epiphany about being the baddies. She was bad woman's mother that simupported orabge man bad, ergo she is also bad and deserves bullet.

At a minimum, you can take pleasure in knowing that this election of the Speaker is now in the top 5 of how many ballots it took to vote for a Speaker. Shame we won't be able to go higher, but at least it's something; hopefully we can expect a lot of gridlock when McCarthy ineviably renegs on his pinky promises to the Freedom Caucus and the House won't be able to pass at least some of the more harmful stuff. Still, this whole thing was worth it to see the establishment shills freak out over all this, it was fucking funny to see them all lose their shit over McConnel's puppet not getting in immediately.

Dems have the senate, the harmful bills are the ones Dems also want which means the 20 factor 0 into it.

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Seems like the RINOs are going to vote against the rules package (which is passed after speaker is selected), which means they'll join democrats to vote against all the things the Freedom Caucus wanted. If they're not seeing this and saying deal's off it was all theatrics. And if McCarthy can't keep the Republicans in line to vote on this he becomes worthless and you'll see more and more RINOs voting with democrats to be liked, just like in the senate, meaning we're back to socialism driving the speed limit. On the plus side it means the GOPe is dead.

Is it dead though? They seem pretty gpod at keeping a good number of the firebrands out. The GOP is happy to stay eternally as is. Seeing how political violemce vs Dens is heresy, but against republicans it's the "protest of the unheard" me thinks right leaning people should start focusing their minds on that more, in Minecraft of course

Spoiler Alert: They won't.

The Republican base had the tiniest taste of the crumbs of winning, and they won't take any excuses now, they want more.

The base won't, but they have noticed voooting harder doesn't work and the few scraps they get are treated like shit and don't have the balls to go the full mile.

The 20 can still oppose every bill and stop passage until the rules are changed if the RINOs go through with this, that’s their fallback. And they can weather it with pure justification because McCarthy sold them out.

McCarthy would be a fool to let the RINOs sabotage this and needs to lean harder on them than he has on the 20 because they will be easy primary fodder and he would remove their funding out of spite to making him such a weak speaker. This Tony Gonzalez is pretty much done if he still votes no on the rules, his district is in the Austin/San Antonio area but he can be easily replaced by a big booty GOP Latina who falls more in line.

Again, Dem senate, the only bills worth stopping are the bipartisan ones, the 20 cannot block all that money for Ukraine.

What's up with all the blackpilling? Did anyone really expect this to just go on for the rest of this Congressional session? There had to be an end at some time and the chances of actually getting Jordan or anyone else in as Speaker was never much higher than zero. Like it's fun to watch but there was no way this was going to last much longer than this week anyway.

It's black pilling because outside of a week of Kabuki theater, nothing real has been achieved and they lost all leverage. Had the Senate been republican they could have more of a say, but not in the current state. Also, blocking congress perpetually would have given a strong message of "we are few, but we are holding out, we need more people to trully push back" but this will be forgotten in a week now that McCuck is speaker and they will be fucked over anyway.

So what exactly was the point of this stunt if they didn't think they would hold out? They could have as @mandatorylurk mentioned just as well waited to be a thorn on the RINO side when it comes to bills which I prefer they do over rangling over who among their side should be chosen as Speaker.

Again, what bills? The same bills dead on arrival on a Democrat Senate or the bills for Israel and Ukraine that have Dem support, hence 20 votes means nothing?

Time and time again, Congresscritters always find ways to wrap things up before a weekend or vacation time.

The FC has no leverage. What are they gonna do, not vote on Uniparty bills that will have cross-aisle votes?

Pretty much, this was all performative. And even if the intent wasn't,the end result is.

To be fair the dooming is a little overstated, something would've broken on this eventually and it was always likely a RINO would end up with the gavel, whether McCarthy or someone else. Would've been nice to have this carry on through to next week, but having this impotent hack run through the wringer is enough entertainment as is.

The one positive is we're in for two years of hilarious gridlock. Dems will cross over for debt ceiling increases and Ukraine/Israel government funding bills, but there's enough Freedom Caucus members apparently willing to gum up the works to ensure damn near nothing else gets done.

Nothing was happening the next 2 years anyway even if it was all rinos unless it was a bipartisan bill.

I think one of the concessions was the allowance of a one-man motion to vacate. That would mean if a simple majority votes against McCarthy he's done. I'm not sure how this stuff works entirely, but if he actually allows one-man motions to vacate, the HFC might actually have him by the balls.

I doubt anything will happen, though. We're talking about politicians here.

Sounds great, but doesn't that rule have to be voted? And when the dems oppose it and a few republicans who don't feel the need to honor a pinky promise take it down? Then what? Kevin goes, "sorry, I truly trieeed"?

 

[The Last Stand]

Jesus, this thread is saliter and deflated like Joan Crawford's tires after a drunken blizzard. I don't know what's going on, but this country needs Jesus or something.

I'm too tired to even make an apt comparison.

 

[AnonymousKot]

I don't know what's going on, but this country needs Jesus or something.

This country needs a purge of all of its degenerates and judases

 

[LurkTrawl]

Not sure how accurate this is:

Jenna Ellis 🍊🦅 (@JennaEllisEsq)

BREAKING: Source tells me the closed-room background why the 14 are now backing McCarthy. THREAD 🧵

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Fuck Boebert and Gaetz.

Cheers to the deep fucking they're going to get for daring to tell the HNIC "no". Dumbasses and cowards both.

Like it's fun to watch but there was no way this was going to last much longer than this week anyway.

There is no reason it couldn't have. Quite literally no legal reason anyway.

 

[The Last Stand]

What's the next grift for 2023? Another spontaneous protest? A statue? More green root coalitions?

 

[LurkTrawl]

What's the next grift for 2023? Another spontaneous protest? A statue? More green root coalitions?

Whatever awaits us, by the end of the year we'll all be much less glib I'm sure.

 

[The Last Stand]

Whatever awaits us, by the end of the year we'll all be much less glib I'm sure.

I'll still have Joan Crawford. There's something to look forward to. I'm depressed.

 

[ArmouredRobin]

"Why did you stab me?" asked the Frog "Now we'll both drown".

"It's in my nature" said the Scorpion as they both sank beneath the water.

I always preferred this version, personally

 

[Random Internet Person]

I know how we could stop them voting McCarthy. We simply organize a mob to force our way into the capital. IN TO THE CAPITAL!!

Okay then what?

What's up with all the blackpilling? Did anyone really expect this to just go on for the rest of this Congressional session? There had to be an end at some time and the chances of actually getting Jordan or anyone else in as Speaker was never much higher than zero. Like it's fun to watch but there was no way this was going to last much longer than this week anyway.

Probably because McCarthy is the stooge wanted by McConnell in order to screw MAGA over.

No need to be sad- this week was a complete bonus, no one expected we were going to get this show, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

What everyone expected was, McCarthy gets rubber-stamped, and they get on their number one and two priorities: funnelling cash to Ukraine and stamping out any MAGA vestiges in the party and across the land.

Kev and the Crenshaws didn’t apparently think enough of FC to secure their votes before this week. This was an embarrassing miscalculation. If nothing else, we should see a little less dismissive cockiness from the RINOs.

Who's in the Freedom Caucus exactly?

What's the next grift for 2023? Another spontaneous protest? A statue? More green root coalitions?

Same as 2022: More aid sent to Ukraine hand over fist.

 

[derpherp2]

I see the big gae has decided to suck the cock that tried to fuck him in the ass as a "concession."
Good job there. Wonder if the big booty latina is getting nostalgic flashbacks tbh.

 

[Overly Serious]

The sad reality is that the Democrat Party is willing to absorb the hard left into its ranks gradually and not care how that will effect them in the future. On the other hand it seems the Republican Party is rejecting more right-wing candidates and is happy to continue on their path of slow motion socialism. I once heard people say "the USA has no real left-wing parties", the opposite appears to be more and more true everyday.

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The confrontation at around 1:30

Around 1:32 is when Gaetz called out "But I do bite my thumb sir" just as McCarthy is almost out of earshot.

So, anyone read lips?

"No new taxes".

 

[The Ugly One]

Thank God. The AFU has run out of armored vehicles.

 

[pwnest injun]

I think one of the concessions was the allowance of a one-man motion to vacate. That would mean if a simple majority votes against McCarthy he's done. I'm not sure how this stuff works entirely, but if he actually allows one-man motions to vacate, the HFC might actually have him by the balls.

I doubt anything will happen, though. We're talking about politicians here.

My understanding is that one person can initiate a motion to vacate, at which point there is a vote, and if McCarthy doesn't get 218 in this vote, then he must vacate. So it's not that a majority would need to vote him out, but that a majority would need to vote to keep him. I haven't read the proposed rule though, because it's not been voted in yet and reading proposed legislation is typically a waste of time.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

My understanding is that one person can initiate a motion to vacate, at which point there is a vote, and if McCarthy doesn't get 218 in this vote, then he must vacate. So it's not that a majority would need to vote him out, but that a majority would need to vote to keep him. I haven't read the proposed rule though, because it's not been voted in yet and reading proposed legislation is typically a waste of time.

Thats only if the rules pass. The Rinos can reject that. That makes McCarthy look bad too. Though the dems might cross the aisle sense they can use it against McCarthy too and would need only 5 votes themselves. If Freedom Caucas was smart they would cut a deal with the Dems to make sure rules passed and they have a nuclear option of electing Hakeem instead. Remember its a no confidence vote. So Freedom Caucaus can vote with Dems and not on record as voting for Hakeem.