Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[siegemeister675]

So your sources are random people who don't back up their words? Wow, this makes a whole chain of people who speak without backing up their words.
And what is this article about? The article has been almost a year and all it says is that out of 150 million people, 4 thousand protesters gathered, what does it matter?

That's nonsense; there's no information about it; either you post something from telegram or you really pull that out of your ass.

The ghost of Kiev, snake island, the bombing of the maternity hospital, the explosion in Poland, theft of washing machines, asphalt and nutella. and I can go on for a long time, from the same people, and only from them there is information about the second wave of mobilization.
Well, it's time to blindly trust you don't want to be a vatnik, do you?

Those were dumb news stories started by anonymous sources, Putin himself promised, repeatedly, at the beginning of the "SMO" there would be no mobilization and yet here we are on mobilization wave two because the Russian Army is a corrupt joke. As usual vatniks can do nothing but muddy the waters.

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

Those were dumb news stories started by anonymous sources, Putin himself promised, repeatedly, at the beginning of the "SMO" there would be no mobilization and yet here we are on mobilization wave two because the Russian Army is a corrupt joke. As usual vatniks can do nothing but muddy the waters.

Why are you so mad? Did you have some real estate in Soledar? Did you buy an overpriced Zelensky Funko pop? Were you a shareholder in the saltmines? Or is it just that Ruzzia achieved a military victory and Reddit told you that was impossible? It's okay, you can tell us.

 

[siegemeister675]

Why are you so mad? Did you have some real estate in Soledar? Did you buy an overpriced Zelensky Funko pop? Were you a shareholder in the saltmines? Or is it just that Ruzzia achieved a military victory and Reddit told you that was impossible? It's okay, you can tell us.

You mean like their impressive retreats from Kharkiv oblast and Kherson? Mighty Soviet victories win you comrade!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Damn, lets see how much copium will be injected into the ukranians and its tranny sponsors in the coming days
If only they could turn impotent rage into electricity...
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Your copium, sir:

Not just panic, bigly panic. Ah, those ruZZians are finished, again!

Why are you so mad? Did you have some real estate in Soledar? Did you buy an overpriced Zelensky Funko pop? Were you a shareholder in the saltmines? Or is it just that Ruzzia achieved a military victory and Reddit told you that was impossible? It's okay, you can tell us.

Ssh he doesn't know Kramatorsk and Slavianka are next. Also idk why they keep using Soviet, KGB, etc, as if they say it enough times it will wake up dormant Cold War imprinting in anyone born before 1991 (protip-it doesn't unless they were silly enough to believe it to begin with).

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

Your copium, sir:

Not just panic, bigly panic. Ah, those ruZZians are finished, again!

Unbelievable, literally claiming Soledar is being used as an escape route by the Russians, I guess they really had to slaughter all those Ukranians defending it just so they could secure an escape route to flee and hug their mommys.
This fits in perfectly with the modern 21st century mindset, complex world events need to be infantilized and explained in saturday morning cartoon terms, the language used in this video is simply embarrassing.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Well documented events are propaganda, oh okay.

Be honest here, any and every source isn't good enough for you. Everything is CIA propaganda and of course it's "The ZOG!"

Thanks for behaving exactly as described, Are you getting angry at people who point how people are "contracted" against the will including men who are doing their mandatory military service.

I think you browse /pol/ too much. Getting angry doesn't make those conscription letters and people in a Ukraine any less real.

For your sake I hope that you aren't russian, since you will get drafted like men during first mobilization wave.

I'll do you a deal. If there's a conscription and the borders close on the 15th as you so claim, I will never post in the Ukraine threads again on this forum under punishment of permaban. Are you confident enough in your own claims to pledge the same?

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

It's probably gonna look more like it did after the Cold War ended and funding gets slashed. Even with Black Rock bankrolling a rebuild I don't think they have much. If Russia is going to lose then they'll fuck over as much stuff as possible.

Are you really trying to argue that a country with one of the largest proven oil fields in the world is not going to get a massive influx of cash to rebuild?

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

Let me just sperg about the technicalities here, the Bradley is an APC (Armored Personel Carrier) which cannot be a tank, for it can carry troops internally. A tank cannot carry troops internally (aside from the Merkava, and even then it needs to empty almost all of its ammo rack). Neither is an SPG considered a tank.
All of these classifications do fall under ACVs (Armored Combat Vehicles). Now please stop sperging about whether the Bradley is a tank or not.

EDIT: Correction it's AFV not ACV

The only ones sperging are the people trying to argue a moot point even when the definition and description is provided and highlighted for them.

They are tanks, as fits their entry in the encyclopaedia.

If you seen one rolling down the street toward you during conflict you would scream "Tank!" you certainly wouldn't be screaming "Armoured combat vehicle!".

 

[CaptainAutism69]

If you seen one rolling down the street toward you during conflict you would scream "Tank!" you certainly wouldn't be screaming "Armoured combat vehicle!".

I'd like to imagine that there's been at least one case of someone in the field saying 'well aksuhly...'then gets gibbed

 

[RobotDog]

I'll do you a deal. If there's a conscription and the borders close on the 15th as you so claim, I will never post in the Ukraine threads again on this forum under punishment of permaban. Are you confident enough in your own claims to pledge the same?

@Glowie will never accept that, the supposed new draft and closing of russian borders was supposed to happen by January 2nd, according to the minister of defence of ukraine's message in christmas
He will just claim Putler had to delay the draft because Ukraine's brand new "tanks" scared him

 

[CaptainAutism69]

@Glowie will never accept that, the supposed new draft and closing of russian borders was supposed to happen by January 2nd, according to the minister of defence of ukraine's message in christmas
He will just claim Putler had to delay the draft because Ukraine's brand new "tanks" scared him

Shame, there was once a time where people stood by their words, especially journalists.

 

[Ghostse]

Was South Vietnam known as good fighters, or was the US seen as doing most of the heavy lifting. I feel like this Ukraine conflict could go down the same path, even if there’s no Russian version of the Viet Cong.

tl;dr: South Vietnam was completely pants on head at the start of the war. By 1968 ARVN had a lot of worthless shits but a core of very dedicated and highly trained units that american field commanders were willing to do joint ops with. But 1972 at a UNIT level they were equal to or better than the NVA+VC, but with a new notable exemptions, the upper command brass & government was still a complete shit show, with Bureaucrats looking out for themselves and taking payoffs from the Soviets to inhibit US operations in provinces/feed the NVA/VC information and many generals who at best were nepotistic appointmens (see: Iraq vs ISIS) and often more like warlords who would collaborate with the VC. So worse than Iraq but slightly better than Afghanistan, in that the local traitors didn't actively take up arms against the central government. Quality of the troops in that situation didn't matter, the government was rat-fucked. It was improving, but a best case outcome would be the corrupt fuckers running vietnam would have said they were capitalists and not commies. Not worth another 50,000 American lives.
Heavy lifting is a loaded term; by 1972 ARVN was doing most of the ground ops, but the US was still supplying a large majority of the heavy artillery and airpower.

The NVA was complete shit though. The only reason North Vietnam didn't get rolled was because the US wouldn't invade. They were playing only defense, while the North was funding and supplying an insurgency who were better and more dedicated troops than the NVA.

First post here we go...

Right so the M2 Bradley was meant to fight along side the M1 Abram's as a forward scout, it would find the targets and the Abrams would smoke them. Dismounted Infantry would protect the tanks and IFV's.
It was never meant to be used without MBT support or in urban fighting hence the poor record in Iraq.
So it probably won't fair well in Ukraine without decent/proper support.

It did however score more Iraqi armour kills with its TOW's than the Abrams in that conflict. So this can't be discounted.
Although it should be noted the TOW system has to be reloaded from outside the vehicle and extra rounds take up a lot of space inside.

Regarding the M242 bushmaster it's a great chaingun with superior effective range to the 2A42 30mm Autocannon.
But it has a major flaw, like all chainguns it relies on external power to fire which means no electrical power no bang bang. If the Bradley loses power it can't fight.
Where as the 2A42 uses gas blow back and requires no external power to operate.
The 2A42 also fire's much larger rounds not just in calibre but length also 30mm × 165mm vs 25mm × 137mm that's a lot of extra energy.

The Bradley also relies heavily on hydraulic systems and if these are poorly maintained/damaged it won't be happy
The rear door for example weights a shit ton and won't be fun to open/close with poorly working/no hydraulics.

Hold on, hold on....are you daring to imply that slavs will be less than exacting and impeccable in their maintenance of equipment? Where is there any evidence of soviet block countries treating their equipment with anything less and completely loving care and replacing parts as needed with the correct parts?

If you type destroyed Bradley into google you'll see plenty of burning wrecks that the crew wouldn't have survived.
I'm not saying Russian IFV's are much better in survivability but they are easier to maintain and I think that'll be the main factor with the Bradley's in Ukraine maintenance and support.

Again, its bradleys hit by IEDs usually of the daisy chained 155 variety. anything short of an MBT won't take that. That's not 30mm autocannon, or even RPGs. No BMPs are armed with 155mm guns, so modern ATGM asside, the odds of a bradley crew walking away from an encounter with a BMP vs the opposite heavily favor the bradley vs. the rolling coffins of a BMP.

No one is saying the bradley is a tank; you detonate a 155 under a BMP and I doubt there is enough to take pictures of. That's also not saying that Yook officers won't be retarded and deploy it AS a tank instead of a recon vehicle as intended. But those are faults of retarded officers, not the vehicle. Its not designed to take even a direct T-72 hit, the T-72 is supposed to be too worried about the big tank the bradley is directing to try to put rounds on the bradley.

Solid agree that if the conflict drags on I don't see Ukraine getting enough spare parts to keep over half of them running after a year. But if they are smart about how they use them, they could do a lot damage.
yeah, yeah, "smart" and "slav" in the same sentance.

 

[Stoneheart]

Are you really trying to argue that a country with one of the largest proven oil fields in the world is not going to get a massive influx of cash to rebuild?

isnt that oilfield in russia now?

 

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Ukrope
Ukeseethe

The Uke cries out in fear as he strikes you you blow up his entire platoon lol

 

[Glowie]

I'll do you a deal. If there's a conscription and the borders close on the 15th as you so claim, I will never post in the Ukraine threads again on this forum under punishment of permaban. Are you confident enough in your own claims to pledge the same?

In case you aren't completely illiterate, they already are, EU member states bordering Russia: Baltics, Finland and Norway don't issue tourist visas to Russians and on top of that Russian border guard actively vet men in service age and add so much red tape and will refuse "tourists" to leave.

Oh Russia has mobile stations at borders to prevent men from leaving, now who to trust, ”shills" and Russians or you? A verified clout chasing newfag. Choices Choices.

 

[Burgerasssand]

how goes the war son

 

[Glowie]

Was South Vietnam known as good fighters, or was the US seen as doing most of the heavy lifting. I feel like this Ukraine conflict could go down the same path, even if there’s no Russian version of the Viet Cong.

Ukraine is Russia's Vietnam only difference Russia lost more men in war of Ukraine in two years what took Vietnam lasted 10 years and killed 52,000~ Americans.

War in Iraq lasted lasted 7 years and killed 6,000~ Americans.

According to Russian figures (If they can be trusted) 6,200~ Russians died in much shorter span of time.

Ukraine is a disaster for Russian economy, popularity and diminishing military with sanctions, dependence on China, North Korea and Iran

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ukraine is Russia's Vietnam only difference Russia lost more men in war of Ukraine in two years what took Vietnam lasted 10 years and killed 52,000~ Americans.

War in Iraq lasted lasted 7 years and killed 6,000~ Americans.

According to Russian figures (If they can be trusted) 6,200~ Russians died in much shorter span of time.

Ukraine is a disaster for Russian economy, popularity and diminishing military with sanctions, dependence on China, North Korea and Iran

Khersi became a Russian citizen and is serving with the VDV. Sorry but the Ukronazis are finished now.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

In case you aren't completely illiterate, they already are, EU member states bordering Russia: Baltics, Finland and Norway don't issue tourist visas to Russians and on top of that Russian border guard actively vet men in service age and add so much red tape and will refuse "tourists" to leave.

Oh Russia has mobile stations at borders to prevent men from leaving, now who to trust, ”shills" and Russians or you? A verified clout chasing newfag. Choices Choices.

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You could have just said 'no, I don't believe the crap I shill and will not take that bet', instead of cope and goalpost moving.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I am now convinced Russia is a nation of psychopaths. I'm looking at what has just occurred this week at Bakhmut and Soledar in absolute horror. Human wave offensives, lead by penal legions. Into machine guns and artillery. For a gain of, at best, a few hundred meters. Russia may even gain control of Soledar at this rate, if only because the Salient position cannot hold against such recklessness.

My original point still stands though. Soledar is not important. The important town is just west of Soledar. Blahodatne. That is the position west of the river and crossing the main defensive line of the Ukrainian Army. Thousands dead to take an irrelevant flyspeck. Russia is breaking its colonial Empire on Ukraine. There is no way the Moscow and Saint Petersburg Metropol can continue to keep drafting their colonial satrapies like the Buryats and the Bashkir and not risk open revolt east of the Urals. Eventually Moscow must send its sons to die around Bakhmut because the Prisons are going to be empty and the East is going to be mutinous.

Team Z is sitting here cheering about literally thousands of dead Russians to take a small town of 10,000 that isn't even part of the main Ukrainian defense line in the Donbass. And even now its still not certain they even have taken that town. Not that it matters either way.