Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Kari Kamiya]

The new Ducktales had references to everything from Quack Pack to Gargoyles. I really doubt in 30 years anything will be calling back to Gravity Falls and Amphibia. Owl House will have no chance.

I think Gravity Falls has a chance of being remembered, but then again I honestly like the show. I'm just a weirdo, I suppose.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

These are Disney bounding dolls and made for park fans about park fan culture. The mickey balloons and minney ears are big give away that that's what they are going for. I wouldn't be too surprised if you could buy some of these doll clothes in people size from there and these dolls are working as marketing too. You can wear same shirt as your doll because it's literally you, Disney magic and pixie dust.

Basically in the Disney parks anyone over 10 aren't allowed to dress as Disney characters outside of Halloween parties. Main reasons given are child safety and keeping the magic. Disney spent quite alot time training and organizing the actors so they look and act right and that you can't see duplicates of characters at once. Naturally random members of the public won't know, let alone have any real reason to follow the scrip so ban on cosplay. Also meet and greets are big business for them and don't want the competition.

Still some adults want to dress up for the parks to feel like they are part of the disney magic. What they do instead is Disney bounding or dressing up so they follow the spirit, form and/or colors of a character, movie or attraction but aren't directly costumes from these things. Recognizable but different enough not be confused to working there sort of deal.

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That's why obliviously wrong race on the dolls so that you aren't confused if these are the princesses in modern clothes, they are not. Okey, they are confusing to people not into the park culture but to that target audience it's perfectly clear what these are. Honestly I think the packaging is to blame on that front alot. If they hadn't put the princess in front and had instead done something like the doll girl hugging a movie plushie it would have been much more clear. These dolls are just themed around the princesses and loving them but not depicting the princesses directly.

yeah iirc even if you've got unrelated nerd shit if people would mistake it for legit CM it's a no-go, I think it came up around that anime con they held at Disneyland Hotel
but yeah the "character-coded" doll seems like it makes sense to as much a point as the core idea of "make a toy of being a cat lady dressing as much as is legally allowed like a princess at a theme park and getting shitfaced at epcot" makes sense

 

[starborn427614]

I think Gravity Falls has a chance of being remembered, but then again I honestly like the show. I'm just a weirdo, I suppose.

Gravity Falls is genuinely good IMO. There was even a reference to it in Stray of all things recently.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Um... guys? Is this true?

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I think Gravity Falls has a chance of being remembered, but then again I honestly like the show. I'm just a weirdo, I suppose.

I like it too, and Amphibia. But I cannot see either getting the same degree of love that the Disney Afternoon stuff got in the Ducktales reboot.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I think Gravity Falls has a chance of being remembered, but then again I honestly like the show. I'm just a weirdo, I suppose.

Gravity Falls came out in what, 2013? Either way, it kinda hit the sweet spot for being remembered as the 2010-15 era is where I believe most things will be remembered fondly. It helps that that time period was when the animation community and Tumblr could be seen as decently respectable as they had yet to fall fully into politics and man-child derangement. It’s the classic Pan era, most of those toons will be remembered for being the foundation of the, at-one-point, good cartoon community.

I definitely suspect that Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Rick & Morty, Gravity Falls, and MLPFIM are going to be held up as symbols of the time period and thus remembered for a good while.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

I definitely suspect that Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show, The Amazing World of Gumball, Rick & Morty, Gravity Falls, and MLPFIM are going to be held up as symbols of the time period and thus remembered for a good while.

Stephen Galaxy will probably be on the low end of that group, mainly because it marks a sort of "transition point" (har) between "fondly-remembered nostalgia" and "the worst fandom the internet has to offer". MLP also comes pretty close thanks to its ties to 4chan and tumblr's subsequent hateboner against it.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Stephen Galaxy will probably be on the low end of that group, mainly because it marks a sort of "transition point" (har) between "fondly-remembered nostalgia" and "the worst fandom the internet has to offer". MLP also comes pretty close thanks to its ties to 4chan and tumblr's subsequent hateboner against it.

I would disagree.

Steven will likely be the most remembered and discussed of the shows. It has a Sonic appeal to it, where it was once good, then went back and forth in quality splitting the fanbase. It has definitely been the most spoken about 2010s cartoon for this reason and will likely continue. I say AT will be the most remembered due to starting it all, but Steven was it’s only real competition, so it will likely reign as a contentious second spot.

gather rest of the shows are a mystery for rememberance. Regular Show sort of dropped off half-way through its life and is left behind a lot now. Gumball was also the third wheel to AT and Regular Show, but gets more discussed that Regular Show nowadays. MLP spun off into a separate community that slowly died. Rick & Morty is the most culturally relevant nowadays, but has lots of baggage in a SpongeBob way, so it probably will get third? Then Gravity Falls was loved, but never really broke out into the cartoon community past Tumblr thanks to RebelTaxi and his CN stronghold.

Edit: Made way shorter, sorry.

 

[starborn427614]

It is an interesting topic. Even shows as recent as Star VS have basically all but died out in terms of online chatter (not that I go looking mind you) and yet shows before and after it that still have a decent hold on pop culture. It's hard to tell what'll be remembered and what'll fall by the wayside, but perhaps a piece of media being divisive in terms of quality isn't a full measurement of something's staying power. There has to be more at play than that in some cases.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

It is an interesting topic. Even shows as recent as Star VS have basically all but died out in terms of online chatter (not that I go looking mind you) and yet shows before and after it that still have a decent hold on pop culture. It's hard to tell what'll be remembered and what'll fall by the wayside, but perhaps a piece of media being divisive in terms of quality isn't a full measurement of something's staying power. There has to be more at play than that in some cases.

I think the thing about Steven, and why I said the thing earlier, is that the people who like, really obsess over the fucker. I compare him to Sonic because it is the best frame of reference. Sonic has had multiple death periods where interest was practically nonexistent, hell much of the 2010s were that, yet, he is still here. Cancerous fanbase and failures be damned, you can’t kill the hedgehog. Steven feels much the same and it is why Steven gets a spot in Multiversus, and more merchandise than Gumball. Steven may have gone to shit, but the good it held was so strong that it can just thrive off it. I can definitely see videos years down the road decrying Steven as a ‘hidden masterpiece’ much like people do with hated Sonic games. It also helps that the ost is genuinely good.

I will say, I am a bit surprised by the graph. While I was correct about AT, I guess Gumball is it’s biggest contender. Though, part of the reason is likely the Movie getting canned this year, sparking outrage. Gumball also hit it big in meme culture due to all the meta shit later in its life. While I definitely believe Gumball will be remembered, I think memes and it being the only show besides Go that CN airs anymore are carrying it more than anything. Then again, it might become the next SpongeBob given these factors.

 

[Computer Guardian]

I think the thing about Steven, and why I said the thing earlier, is that the people who like, really obsess over the fucker. I compare him to Sonic because it is the best frame of reference. Sonic has had multiple death periods where interest was practically nonexistent, hell much of the 2010s were that, yet, he is still here. Cancerous fanbase and failures be damned, you can’t kill the hedgehog. Steven feels much the same and it is why Steven gets a spot in Multiversus, and more merchandise than Gumball. Steven may have gone to shit, but the good it held was so strong that it can just thrive off it. I can definitely see videos years down the road decrying Steven as a ‘hidden masterpiece’ much like people do with hated Sonic games. It also helps that the ost is genuinely good.

I will say, I am a bit surprised by the graph. While I was correct about AT, I guess Gumball is it’s biggest contender. Though, part of the reason is likely the Movie getting canned this year, sparking outrage. Gumball also hit it big in meme culture due to all the meta shit later in its life. While I definitely believe Gumball will be remembered, I think memes and it being the only show besides Go that CN airs anymore are carrying it more than anything. Then again, it might become the next SpongeBob given these factors.

There's also the fact that SU was the start of what could be seen as troon shit being in the show long before it grew in prevalence, especially since it was trying to dodge the message it was implying almost every time it was brought up outside the show until it reached close to the end. Most of Disney's shows by contrast seem to end up like a Jak and Daxter where besides the obvious exceptions like Phineas and Ferb and maybe Gravity Falls, they tried to do something that was antiquated at the time but tried to chase trends in the industry (LGBT stuff in general) or their fanbases (See Star VS.) to mixed results, leading to them petering out and having pretty niche fanbases (more so if Disney shitcans it like Owl House).

Teen Titans Go will very likely be remembered more or less because of the show becoming the CN's SpongeBob and the insane tard rage it's mere existence created because many of the people online sperged the fuck out over it "replacing" the original, How Gumball would have been remembered would be with the memes and how it was essentially how Nick treated The Loud House before it existed.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

There's also the fact that SU was the start of what could be seen as troon shit being in the show long before it grew in prevalence, especially since it was trying to dodge the message it was implying almost every time it was brought up outside the show until it reached close to the end. Most of Disney's shows by contrast seem to end up like a Jak and Daxter where besides the obvious exceptions like Phineas and Ferb and maybe Gravity Falls, they tried to do something that was antiquated at the time but tried to chase trends in the industry (LGBT stuff in general) or their fanbases (See Star VS.) to mixed results, leading to them petering out and having pretty niche fanbases (more so if Disney shitcans it like Owl House).

Teen Titans Go will very likely be remembered more or less because of the show becoming the CN's SpongeBob and the insane tard rage it's mere existence created because many of the people online sperged the fuck out over it "replacing" the original, How Gumball would have been remembered would be with the memes and how it was essentially how Nick treated The Loud House before it existed.

Gumball has wierd kinda gamble going on. Unlike the other shows it has much more set time period of current day it was made. It mixes it a bit but mostly sit comfortably in current tech and views. That has two options, it can make it incredibly dated to point of bring unwatchable or like with the Goofy movie make an unintended period piece. Period peaces can stand as timeless because people not only go nostalgic over but can pointed as an example of lives at 2010s. It can fun and wierd in similar way we look film noir. As long as it still hits some timeless themes people can enjoy it much much later.

 

[Trianon]

For the amount of money they make you pay; absolutely. But even though quality is downhill and you have to break the bank to go there, the parks are still extremely crowded. With a recession and the way people plan their trip to the parks years in advance Disney Parks won't look as "successful" in a few years.


To do that well they'd need to cast someone who can really play off of James Woods as Persephone. Who do you think could do that, assuming this would have come out closer to Hercules' release date than today?

There's a thriving fanart community that does Hades/Persephone stuff. The deep lore is that they were trying out plots to put in the animated Hercules show but could never get it to work. I can never find outright confirmation of it, but it could have been funny.

I had the opportunity to see this live on stage and it was a near-religious experience. Pun definitely intended.

Same, never cried so hard in live theater than when I saw it. It's a shame it was too expensive to bring to Broadway (too big a choir). As others have pointed out, they probably wanted to make it a Broadway splash a lot sooner, but the best they could do back then was to make it into a German stage show, which did really well and is virtually identical to the newer English stage show.

They also did a limited-run, outdoor Hercules musical a few years ago and are restaging it in February with some updates.

Hercules (musical) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Burt Ryan]

I rewatched The Rocketeer last night, after many years. I remember watching that movie on VHS so many times, and liking it a lot. It was my first true introduction to dieselpunk / decopunk, and when my autism kicked in I recognized Max Grodénchik (Rom from DS9) and Tiny Ron Taylor (Maihar'du from DS9), as well as Terry O'Quinn.

Amazing movies, such a shame that Touchstone died years ago.

 

[ZMOT]

I rewatched The Rocketeer last night, after many years. I remember watching that movie on VHS so many times, and liking it a lot. It was my first true introduction to dieselpunk / decopunk, and when my autism kicked in I recognized Max Grodénchik (Rom from DS9) and Tiny Ron Taylor (Maihar'du from DS9), as well as Terry O'Quinn.

Amazing movies, such a shame that Touchstone died years ago.
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don't forget prime jennifer connelly.

 

[Burt Ryan]

don't forget prime jennifer connelly.

And best Bond Timothy Dalton.

 

[The Decimator]

They're still going ahead with this, apparently.

Live-action ‘Lilo & Stitch’ is looking for its Lilo

Casting directors are still looking for actors for the live-action “Lilo & Stitch” movie, including a young girl to play Lilo.

attractionsmagazine.com

 

[vern]

So this slip under the radar a bit since the usual suspects that like to grift on bashing Disney don't know/care about the board and just want to shit on the figureheads like Iger, McCarthy , Kennedy, etc.

https://restorethemagic.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Trian-Disney-Presentation_01.11.23.pdf

There might be a little investor coup to try and get a guy called Nelson Peltz on the board to enforce Iger's sticks to the deal of finding a successor within 2 years then fucking off.
Probably a lost cause for a few reasons. But somewhat humorously, this whole thing might be Perlmutter trying to out jew Iger the same way Iger did to Chapek which like I said, probably a lost cause. but in the one in a million chance it succeeds that would be some damn good irony.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

They're still going ahead with this, apparently.

Live-action ‘Lilo & Stitch’ is looking for its Lilo

Casting directors are still looking for actors for the live-action “Lilo & Stitch” movie, including a young girl to play Lilo.

attractionsmagazine.com

Let's hope they never find her and they have to cancel it.

 

[Belvedere]

Let's hope they never find her and they have to cancel it.

Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to always find whatever children they want and inevitably fucking them up (Double entendre fully intended).

Either way I share your sentiment as all of Disney's recent live action adaptation are forgettable shit. Lilo and Stich doesn't deserve such a fate.