Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Cloacan]

Looks like anothe unsustainable massive russian missile barrage was deployed against the ukranians.
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Sadly for the putinists almost 70% of the russian missiles were destroyed by the Transformer and Generator division of the UAF. More Freedom Blackouts© will be deployed to celebrate the occasion all over Ukraine.
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If only Ukraine was able to spare some $40 on ammo they could have destroyed all the russian missiles with the help of "The Mountain" and "The Boss", Ukraine's top 2 million dollar cruise missile destroyers
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After this they'll be out of missiles for sure. Fucking finally! In two weeks when they run out of ammo this long nightmare can finally end.

Russia's ex-president Medvedev calls for Japan PM's ritual suicide

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev calls on Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida to die by "seppuku," a ritualistic suicide by disembowelment, after he and U.S. President Joe Biden warned Russia against using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine.

english.kyodonews.net

Russia's ex-president Medvedev calls for Japan PM's ritual suicide​

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev called Saturday on Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida to die by "seppuku," a ritualistic suicide by disembowelment, after he and U.S. President Joe Biden warned Russia against using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine.

he deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council called a joint statement in which the Japanese and U.S. leaders made the warning a "horrible shame" and said he would not "even comment on the paranoia regarding our state's nuclear plans," Tass news agency reported, citing his Telegram channel.

Kishida can only "wash off" his shame by disemboweling himself at a meeting of his Cabinet ministers, Medvedev said, adding that the prime minister ignored that the United States is the only country to use nuclear weapons and Japan its victim.

a-spicy a-meatball-a.

You dont need to believe me, just stop making a thing out of this. Just look up the damn conference, its all available. The aftertalks are just subjective and no objective facts, just a curioisity. I bet its interesting for pro-russians to know what higher ups withing the western sphere thinks about the war.

If i claimed this was objective facts that Russia got owned and the west rules, then you have a point. But no, its just general talk from the western higherups that might be interesting for ppl who are interested in the conflict

To be clear, this is all a curiosity, none of it is to be taken for objective facts, just wanted to share some inside info and opinions from the western sphere for people who are interested.

Gentlemen, stop being so combative! This is a war thread!

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The absolute Cope of the Russians. First "Ukraine Totally wants to be part of Russia, Maidan was all US plot. It was not organic!".

Then it became "We can't allow poor innocent ethnic Russians be oppressed by evil Nazi Ukrainians uWu.

Then it became "Ukraine isn't a real country anyway, we just need to frown at them and they will fall in line".

Now, its "Russia is in a war for its very survival. NATO will fight to the last Ukrainian, who are a slave race that must be exterminated because clearly they cannot accept the irrefutable truth they do no exist".

The fact that Russia was willing to slaughter thousands of its own soldiers to get a minor win that won't amount to anything pretty much says everything at this point. It was all for the cameras and nothing has fundamentally changed.

It HAS to be asked at this point. What exactly is Russias victory conditions here? What PRECISELY does Russia want from all this death. What is it Russia is trying to buy with all this blood and treasure. Can any of the resident vatniks here give a convincing answer? Or are you like everyone else in the world, and not have a fucking clue because still to this day Russia has not declared war on Ukraine or set forth a set a demands that isn't "Ukraine must cease to exist".

A bit off-topic, but nonetheless. Started watching these to fill the gaps in my knowledge. This one specifically matters because it goes over the idea of nations, their history, and how that relates to Putin's asinine thesis on why Ukraine is Russia. It's thought-provoking and clarifies quite a bit.

The idea that because Ukraine didn't exist until recently as an independent country means that it can't be regarded as such is by all means retarded, because that was every country ever at some point in history. As for the fact that the territory used to be under Russian control, this argument makes about as much sense as saying that India is Britain, or that Mongolia has a rightful claim on Moscow.
Things change, Russia just doesn't want to accept the fact that some changes are not in their favor, that's all this is about.
The very question on whether a nation that already exists should exist is genocidal in nature.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

You were asked to link any source that you've got that info from.

Try this link: www.google.com

Just type in words related to the western lies you want to debonk

 

[Fait Accompli]

No, nothing in your post is something most here didn't already know, or surmised. Much of what you have posted is fact or rumor that has been circulating for some time. I don't believe NATO has any special or separate source of information that doesn't come from the US, and the Pentagon has already discussed the issues in your post, in contrast to the WH or Congress, both of whom are more biased and political.

Alright, glad you're informed. Whether its more of the same or not, it comes from key figures within the western military. I just thought it would be interesting to share, atleast its better than most of these posts that are just throwing pies at eachother. Kindly pick apart or choose a part where you disagree and lets discuss it

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

After this they'll be out of missiles for sure. Fucking finally!

Having run out of cruise missiles, the Russian forces resorted to the use of less practical missiles that are easier for Ukrainian air defenses to shoot down. As a result, collateral damage has been considerably lower than in previous terrorist attacks launched by Russia.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Alright, glad you're informed. Whether its more of the same or not, it comes from key figures within the western military. I just thought it would be interesting to share, atleast its better than most of these posts that are just throwing pies at eachother. Kindly pick apart or choose a part where you disagree and lets discuss it

You won't get any sensible arguments from the "everything is a globohomo conspiracy" crowd, things either fit their point of view or they're untrue.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Having run out of cruise missiles, the Russian forces resorted to the use of less practical missiles that are easier for Ukrainian air defenses to shoot down. As a result, collateral damage has been considerably lower than in previous terrorist attacks launched by Russia.

Tbh, most of the articles have been clickbait as " Russia is running out of missiles " ( which is technically true ) , but i agree that the articles about Russian missiles have been wrong and optimistic. Western media is more accurate than Russian imo, but relies too much on clickbait, so titles are totally wrong while the actual article is quite realistic. ( RUSSIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MISSILES ) - " Russia is using alot of missiles, their storage is large but they are starting to run out of precise missiles if the continue in this manner ". Its rly fucked, i agree

I dont remember the youtube channel, but there is a guy that has visually documented Russian missile stocks, production and consumption in this war ( i think Ukraine used this graphic lately ) and shows that Russia has about 10-20% left of their precision missiles and about 40% left of their more unprecise old missiles. And tons of S-300 ( About 70-80% ) missiles that could be used for ground attack

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Alright, glad you're informed. Whether its more of the same or not, it comes from key figures within the western military. I just thought it would be interesting to share, atleast its better than most of these posts that are just throwing pies at eachother. Kindly pick

Just remember Robert Gates, former Sec Def , CIA DI (x2) and National Security Advisor admitted he was completely wrong about the USSR in many respects, much of it regarding their military and its offensive/defensive capabilities, that would have been disastrous for the US NATO had any hostilities broken out during his tenure (which stretches from the early 1980s to Obama's presidency).

This conflict is also a feint, since the US isn't making that mistake again.

apart or choose a part where you disagree and lets discuss it

It's a date later, I'm going to be busy today.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Tbh, most of the articles have been clickbait as " Russia is running out of missiles " ( which is technically true ) , but i agree that the articles about Russian missiles have been wrong and optimistic

I dont remember the youtube channel, but there is a guy that has visually documented Russian missile stocks, production and consumption in this war ( i think Ukraine used this graphic lately ) and shows that Russia has about 10-20% left of their precision missiles and about 40% left of their more unprecise old missiles. And tons of S-300 missiles that could be used for ground attack

I've seen some documentation of fragments from the recently made rockets being found on multiple occasions, which supposedly means that stocks are drying up and they're forced to use fresh stuff. If that's really the case, it's a given that eventually consumption would outpace production and they'll run out, but when that happens is anyone's guess.
Of course by "run out" I mean down to strategical reserves that shouldn't be touched because otherwise Russia won't have anything to defend itself with if it comes to that. Though if they believe that this is the only war they'll have to fight in the forseable future, perhaps it's not a factor. I don't think they're stupid enough to completely deplete their stockpiles for the sake of this invasion, when ultimately all it does is terrorize Ukrainian populace rather than serve any tactical purpose to advance military goals.

Also, them resorting to less precise rockets is not exactly good news either, because it means less accurate strikes and more collateral damage as a consequence. Even if they're easier to shoot down, air defense measures are finite.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Try this link: www.google.com

Just type in words related to the western lies you want to debonk

holy fucking shit it just can't be real, surely this account is a parody of a bad poster and not actually the king of all bad posters, here to commit eternal necrophilia on the corpse of a thread that was already raped to death some time ago

 

[The Ugly One]

A bit off-topic, but nonetheless. Started watching these to fill the gaps in my knowledge. This one specifically matters because it goes over the idea of nations, their history, and how that relates to Putin's asinine thesis on why Ukraine is Russia. It's thought-provoking and clarifies quite a bit.

The idea that because Ukraine didn't exist until recently as an independent country means that it can't be regarded as such is by all means retarded, because that was every country ever at some point in history. As for the fact that the territory used to be under Russian control, this argument makes about as much sense as saying that India is Britain, or that Mongolia has a rightful claim on Moscow.
Things change, Russia just doesn't want to accept the fact that some changes are not in their favor, that's all this is about.

The same argument for Moscow not having an eternal right over Ukraine can be made for Kiev not having an eternal right over Crimea or Donbas. The fact is that Donbas and Crimea regions were never under the Euromaidan government's effective control. Russia bit off Crimea almost immediately, and there was a shooting war in the Donbas region to try to assert power. So the fundamental thing that changed in 2014 is a new state was formed via a coup, and failed to consolidate power over 100% of the old state's territory. It's a common occurrence in world history, as it turns out that if you go to the capital city of some city and shoot or exile everyone in charge, no angel descends from God to ensure you get all the territory the previous guys had.

The very question on whether a nation that already exists should exist is genocidal in nature.

Nations and governments aren't the same thing. Arguing over whether or not the Euromaidan government has a right to rule Crimea and Donbas is not a "genocidal" in nature, although arguing whether or not ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine have the right to their language and religion skirts into that territory.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

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It will take over 6 momths to train them to NATO tank crew standards. Even then, 10 isn't going to do a danf thing.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Just remember Robert Gates, former Sec Def , CIA DI (x2) and National Security Advisor admitted he was completely wrong about the USSR in many respects, much of it regarding their military and its offensive/defensive capabilities, that would have been disastrous for the US NATO had any hostilities broken out during his tenure (which stretches from the early 1980s to Obama's presidency).

This conflict is also a feint, since the US isn't making that mistake again.

It's a date later, I'm going to be busy today.

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Alright, looked it up. There's alot of different scenarios and opinions within the cold war west strategy, i appreciate it. But Russia has at best 1/2 the strength of the soviet union, its not that relevant what people of either side thought of the other side in the 80s. The west is simply superior when it comes to conventional warfare, the problem is morale and willingness to commit, which the west has problems with during 30 years or relative peace. Like, the only advantage the west had was airforce, the Soviet ground forces were superior mostly due to quantity. So the Soviets would probably have dominated in the first week, with western reinforcements and air force have stabilized the situation afterwards, pushing the Soviets back costly for a few weeks. But this is irrelevant today as half of Russias vehicle fleet has been lost ( confirmed via photos, geolocated and open-source )

The one strength Russia would hold against the west is their robust AA and nuclear weapons

2) Alright, i get that you dont sit on this damned site 24/7. Hope you have a nice time IRL
Just dont use one-liners and discredit my post without thinking, i know it gets you positive stickers but it really shows a lack of argument. I'll wait for ya!

I've seen some documentation of fragments from the recently made rockets being found on multiple occasions, which supposedly means that stocks are drying up and they're forced to use fresh stuff. If that's really the case, it's a given that eventually consumption would outpace production and they'll run out, but when that happens is anyone's guess.
Of course by "run out" I mean down to strategical reserves that shouldn't be touched because otherwise Russia won't have anything to defend itself with if it comes to that. Though if they believe that this is the only war they'll have to fight in the forseable future, perhaps it's not a factor. I don't think they're stupid enough to completely deplete their stockpiles for the sake of this invasion, when ultimately all it does is terrorize Ukrainian populace rather than serve any tactical purpose to advance military goals.

Also, them resorting to less precise rockets is not exactly good news either, because it means less accurate strikes and more collateral damage as a consequence. Even if they're easier to shoot down, air defense measures are finite.

Well, its quite complicated. Most objective sources point to that Russia has exhausted most of its precise missile reserve. Some production happens, so a part of this can be fixed.

I think that Russia has exhausted most of its missile reserve, and they are now trying to import more missiles to keep up

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The Donbas and Crimea regions were never under the Euromaidan government's effective control. The same argument for Moscow not having an eternal right over Ukraine can be made for Kiev not having an eternal right over Crimea or Donbas. The fundamental thing that changed in 2014 is a new state was formed via a coup, and failed to consolidate power over 100% of the old state's territory. It's a common occurrence in world history, as it turns out that if you go to the capital city of some city and shoot or exile everyone in charge, no angel descends from God to ensure you get all the territory the previous guys had.

So much bullshit, Christ. Most of the government remained in place when Putin's bitch Yanukovich was ousted, that's hardly "shoot or exile everyone in charge", eh? Reforms took place and new democratic elections were held, it wasn't nearly as radical as you portray it.
You're framing it as if the entire government was replaced with some foreign regime, which is convenient for the argument you're trying to make but has nothing to do with reality. Because it implies absence of continuity and thus illegitimacy, somehow giving right for Russia to do what they did.
See, your entire argument hinges on the idea that the whole thing was orchestrated by foreign entity (CIA) and has no iota of authenticity, despite there being every reason for it to happen organically. If you lived anywhere in ex-USSR, you'd understand the appeal of European association.

Should we go over Russia's regime changes and issues with continuity and problems it presents for your arguments or have you had enough schooling for today?

 

[AgendaPoster]

The idea that because Ukraine didn't exist until recently as an independent country means that it can't be regarded as such is by all means retarded, because that was every country ever at some point in history. As for the fact that the territory used to be under Russian control, this argument makes about as much sense as saying that India is Britain, or that Mongolia has a rightful claim on Moscow.
Things change, Russia just doesn't want to accept the fact that some changes are not in their favor, that's all this is about.
The very question on whether a nation that already exists should exist is genocidal in nature.

The saddest part is that if we take the international ostracizing, war costs and various other consequences of the invasion into account, I fail to see how owning Ukraine will benefit Russia, outside that hypothetic Adolpherinho the XVth coming to power into the Habsburgomanic Empire of Seething Nazis and decide to do another failtrip through the frozen steppes to see Moscow architecture and enjoy the local cuisine. Considering the state of Europe, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely.

 

[Fait Accompli]

The saddest part is that if we take the international ostracizing, war costs and various other consequences of the invasion into account, I fail to see how owning Ukraine will benefit Russia, outside that hypothetic Adolpherinho the XVth coming to power into the Habsburgomanic Empire of Seething Nazis and decide to do another failtrip through the frozen steppes to see Moscow architecture and enjoy the local cuisine. Considering the state of Europe, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely.

Well, Putin probably thought that his goals would be achieved within weeks. If he had known that this would be the result, the would have never invaded. He is a dictator, its all about survival for him know.

If Russia had done a Crimea on Ukraine, a few weeks of fighting and then Ukrainian defeat ( which most observers thought ) it would have been worth. Scaring the west, flexing muscles, gaining access to pipelines and strategic mineral resources, pushing the Russian sphere further from the Russian mainland. The idea was logical, the result was disastrous. Atleast 50% of the russian armored fleet has been lost in this war.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The saddest part is that if we take the international ostracizing, war costs and various other consequences of the invasion into account, I fail to see how owning Ukraine will benefit Russia, outside that hypothetic Adolpherinho the XVth coming to power into the Habsburgomanic Empire of Seething Nazis and decide to do another failtrip through the frozen steppes to see Moscow architecture and enjoy the local cuisine. Considering the state of Europe, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely.

I'll say this. Considering that Russia is an authoritarian country, authoritarian leader decides everything that happens, certainly matters such as this. Meaning that we can at the very least determine the main driving force behind it, which is Putin. It follows that it's not borne of some kind of collective demand, but his wish to do so, because people and institutions have no power to influence his decisions, it's the other way around.

With that out of the way, you just have to listen to what he says. He's a petty, greedy man. He wants to be adored, he wants to be glorified, he wants to be remembered. And he goes about it in the only way a callous, opportunistic KGB functionary with mafia ties knows.
Justifications being what they are, this was supposed to be a show of power, a triumph for him to bask in. What happened just reflected reality of the country he has built, rather than affirm his delusions. For anyone else it would be a rude awakening, but sunk cost fallacy drives him to double down until the bitter end.
He sees common folk as garbage, but he's going to run his empire into the ground chasing their approval.

Petty little men, you know them.

 

[White_N]

Reforms took place and new democratic elections were held, it wasn't nearly as radical as you portray it.

What fucking reforms? The basis of the conflict with eastern Ukraine began with the fight against the Russian ethnicity with which the eastern Ukrainians associated themselves, in addition to the fact that their representative was unconstitutionally thrown out of office.Mass protests were almost all over Ukraine demanding a new referendum, to which Turchinov, the acting president, responded with violence.

See, your entire argument hinges on the idea that the whole thing was orchestrated by foreign entity (CIA) and has no iota of authenticity, despite there being every reason for it to happen organically.

They could shit in your face and you wouldn't notice it

US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: "Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine's European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals." Nuland said the United States will continue to "promote Ukraine to the future it deserves." 2013

Who you want in the government, and fuck the EU.

 

[Fait Accompli]

The saddest part is that if we take the international ostracizing, war costs and various other consequences of the invasion into account, I fail to see how owning Ukraine will benefit Russia, outside that hypothetic Adolpherinho the XVth coming to power into the Habsburgomanic Empire of Seething Nazis and decide to do another failtrip through the frozen steppes to see Moscow architecture and enjoy the local cuisine. Considering the state of Europe, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely.

Well, Putin probably thought that his goals would be achieved within weeks. If he had known that this would be the result, he would have never invaded. He is a dictator, its all about survival for him know.

If Russia had done a Crimea on Ukraine, a few weeks of fighting and then Ukrainian defeat ( which most observers thought ) it would have been worth. Scaring the west, flexing muscles, gaining access to pipelines and strategic mineral resources, pushing the Russian sphere further from the Russian mainland. The idea was logical, the result was disastrous. Atleast 50% of the russian armored fleet has been lost in this war.

It will take over 6 momths to train them to NATO tank crew standards. Even then, 10 isn't going to do a danf thing.

Yeah, most of the western superiority withing heavy systems are attributed to training, communication and cooperation with other branches. If the west just gave Challenger and Leopards, they would have dominated the Russian T-72s and earlier for sure, but not decisive at all. Western tanks are better, period. But most of it is due to coordination and experience. Thats why the west needs to act NOW if they want a spring offensive. Sending modern tank systems without training would be absolutely retarded.

 

[Rainbow Child]

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