Fallout series

3 is pretty alright. It has some very silly instances of black and white morality, sure, but the quests themselves are all well designed regardless and I'd rather have the option to be an evil prick or a good guy than no options at all.
The problem with fallout 3's morality system is the whole Karma bullshit, where some characters are just arbitrarily deemed good or evil, and punishes you for killing them by sending omniscient mercenaries.
Whether its the fucking ghouls at Tenpenny Tower, that traitorous bitch in the enclave base or the unarmed "civillian" aliens aboard the mothership. Dont give me bad karma for killing bad people, and especially dont have fucking Three dog prattle away again and again and again about what a piece of shit i am for defending myself.
Then the game has the fucking audacity to throw mercenaries at me, without even the option to find their HQ and finish off the mercenaries permanently.

One thing to have the options to play as a good or evil character, another thing to be punished for committing hate crimes against super mutants and feral ghouls.
 
To be fair those were just the slave women, we didn't really see any women with the Legion who weren't slaves. Unfortunately the Legion towns were cut content, so we can't really get a picture of any non slave Legion women.

The canceled Fallout extreme was supposed to take place all the way up the west coast to Alaska.
The idea of grunt labour women just flies in the face of the Legion being pragmatic, though. Like you'd think it'd be either criminals or those otherwise disgraced who do shit like that; women should be treated like a rarer commodity for a society based around mass warfare.
 
The idea of grunt labour women just flies in the face of the Legion being pragmatic, though. Like you'd think it'd be either criminals or those otherwise disgraced who do shit like that; women should be treated like a rarer commodity for a society based around mass warfare.
To be fair, though Caesars legion is comprised of Romaboos the tactics, weaponry and overall societal structure is something more akin to the native American tribes of the wild west, and those fuckers worked their women like animals.

But ultimately, the way Caesars legion is portrayed is extremely unsubtle and too on the nose with little room for nuanced interpretation. Literal misogynistic spearchuckers led by Caesar Peterson.

Clean your room bucko, or you'll be nailed to a cross.
 
No, people shit on it becomes it comes completely out of left field for the starter side quest and has more impact on the game world than most late game side quests and yet barely impacts the main story at the same time
It's a difference in style and I don't necessarily think it's bad. Bethesda Fallout has more set piece shit in it, take it or leave it I guess. The majority of players will simply defuse the bomb the first time through so I consider the evil route a more intriguing alternative for players who have already put 100 hours into the game and are going for a second run.
The idea of grunt labour women just flies in the face of the Legion being pragmatic,
Yeah you get nothing out of slave labor from a woman when a man would be better suited. All the female slaves you see would be baby machines, not hauling ridiculously huge backpacks they couldn't possibly carry up a mountain.
But ultimately, the way Caesars legion is portrayed is extremely unsubtle and too on the nose with little room for nuanced interpretation. Literal misogynistic spearchuckers led by Caesar Peterson
Erm... Kind of based though actually...
 
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New Vegas I swear to God, had my very lightly modded playthrough running just fine until I started Old World Blues and now I've suddenly got this horrific stutter that kicks up after ten or so minutes whenever I pan the camera left or right. No idea how to fix it since the internet has been no help.
 
Yeah you get nothing out of slave labor from a woman when a man would be better suited. All the female slaves you see would be baby machines, not hauling ridiculously huge backpacks they couldn't possibly carry up a mountain.
To be fair, do we know if those women are even fertile? I imagine in a world where one of the big problems you face in everyday life is most of the water being more or less permanently radioactive one of the more common problems would likely be infertility. Could also go a ways to explain the overall low number of kids in the games. I mean, every single settlement throughout 3, NV, and 4 has very few kids outside of Little Lamplight in DC. Just a tiny handful compared to the adults no matter the settlement.
 
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To be fair, do we know if those women are even fertile? I imagine in a world where one of the big problems you face in everyday life is most of the water being more or less permanently radioactive one of the more common problems would likely be infertility. Could also go a ways to explain the overall low number of kids in the games. I mean, every single settlement throughout 3, NV, and 4 has very few kids outside of Little Lamplight in DC. Just a tiny handful compared to the adults no matter the settlement.
Low fertility makes no sense in fallout. Because we're also told that mortality is high. The combination of low fertility and high mortality is referred to in population studies by the shorthand: 'Extinction imminent lol'.

My headcannon is just that they're there to be humiliated. Captured NCR officer wives, or women that served with the NCR and are being displayed as essentially war trophies that the NCR can see via binoculars but can't go in and save.
 
Low fertility makes no sense in fallout. Because we're also told that mortality is high. The combination of low fertility and high mortality is referred to in population studies by the shorthand: 'Extinction imminent lol'.
I don't mean "low overall" I mean "lower than it was prewar." I imagine instances of sterility, cancer, and random extra digits has at least somewhat increased since we nuked the living shit out of ourselves.
 
I don't mean "low overall" I mean "lower than it was prewar." I imagine instances of sterility, cancer, and random extra digits has at least somewhat increased since we nuked the living shit out of ourselves.
Minor mutations like a sixth toe are extremely common. I don't blame the Enclave for thinking everyone else was all god-forsaken mutants when realistically... they sort of were.

That said even when you have low survival and birth rates literally anything above replacement rate will get you by. You won't go anywhere but you also won't die out, which is what the wasteland was like before the NCR started reclaiming it.
 
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Something that always annoys me when people discuss the Legion is when they are stereotyped into being so technologically primitive that they refuse to use guns at all and every soldier from recruit to a praetorian use some sort of melee weapon.

Sure, that might be some nice NCR propaganda, but in game the Legion is all for utilizing guns, they just reserve the higher powered and more advanced weapons for their veteran soldiers. No different than the NCR giving their Rangers anti material rifles compared to the average NCR grunt receiving some service rifle that's halfway broken. The state of such weapons also gives this strategy of melee more teeth, since the average soldier doesn't have access to near mint condition weapons like the player character, thus having actual skills in handling bladed weapons makes the difference between a victorious Legion soldier and a dead NCR grunt.

I also see it as a way to integrate gameplay into the overall story. Yeah in our world trying to melee a bunch of soldiers with guns is idiotic, but in the fallout universe it's a perfectly valid strategy. Just like you can fistfight a deathclaw or tank a shot of plasma to the face, fallout humans are more durable than real world humans.
 
I mean, gameplay aside they explain it pretty well why The Legion's melee emphasis, and that's all it is, works against the NCR. The government is sending over kids with one or two weeks of training, fifty rounds of ammo, and no body armor. Some kid living a relatively cushy life in the heart of California being shipped off to The Mojave with only a basic understanding of how his guns even work would probably get totally fucked the second a hard as nails tribal who can chuck a spear with pinpoint accuracy throws down. The base game does a good job of conveying how small tier the NCR military is, but mods and shit kits them out like a modern American army and I think that fuck's with peoples perceptions.

But yes they aren't technological luddites to an extreme. They use guns and one of their favored tactics is planting bombs on corpses to blow the shit out of people who come in.
 
Something that always annoys me when people discuss the Legion is when they are stereotyped into being so technologically primitive that they refuse to use guns at all and every soldier from recruit to a praetorian use some sort of melee weapon.

Sure, that might be some nice NCR propaganda, but in game the Legion is all for utilizing guns, they just reserve the higher powered and more advanced weapons for their veteran soldiers. No different than the NCR giving their Rangers anti material rifles compared to the average NCR grunt receiving some service rifle that's halfway broken. The state of such weapons also gives this strategy of melee more teeth, since the average soldier doesn't have access to near mint condition weapons like the player character, thus having actual skills in handling bladed weapons makes the difference between a victorious Legion soldier and a dead NCR grunt.

I also see it as a way to integrate gameplay into the overall story. Yeah in our world trying to melee a bunch of soldiers with guns is idiotic, but in the fallout universe it's a perfectly valid strategy. Just like you can fistfight a deathclaw or tank a shot of plasma to the face, fallout humans are more durable than real world humans.
There's an entire side-quest about them trying to buy energy weapons to use against the NCR. Their stance on technology is misunderstood by utter retards that don't understand the difference between frowning upon it and trying not to be reliant. They're the kind of person who probably thinks living in the city is better than living out on your own land because one is advanced so it should be outright better.
 
The legion are essentially in the same vein as the Empire from Dune. They use the technology that they need to use, but prefer to rely on human skill and ability, since that doesn't break down, or suffer from supply attrition. Also if it wasn't Vegas, Ceaser would have 100% used Houses securitron army. It was just that Vegas was such a massive thing for him, and the legion as a whole that if it was captured by anything other than human legonaires it wouldn't have worked out well. Rome must be built by Romans, otherwise it's not Rome.
 
To be fair, do we know if those women are even fertile? I imagine in a world where one of the big problems you face in everyday life is most of the water being more or less permanently radioactive one of the more common problems would likely be infertility. Could also go a ways to explain the overall low number of kids in the games. I mean, every single settlement throughout 3, NV, and 4 has very few kids outside of Little Lamplight in DC. Just a tiny handful compared to the adults no matter the settlement.
Fallout tends to work on the "magical radiation" logic, especially with the FEV basically accelerating any and all adaptations to the horrors of radiation. So infertility would likely have been solved after 200 years through natural selection favoring women who are still fertile.

the lack of children can be moreso blamed on the fact that there arent a whole lot of ways you can make child npc's interesting, especially in a setting that deals with grittier subject matters.

Sure, that might be some nice NCR propaganda, but in game the Legion is all for utilizing guns, they just reserve the higher powered and more advanced weapons for their veteran soldiers. No different than the NCR giving their Rangers anti material rifles compared to the average NCR grunt receiving some service rifle that's halfway broken. The state of such weapons also gives this strategy of melee more teeth, since the average soldier doesn't have access to near mint condition weapons like the player character, thus having actual skills in handling bladed weapons makes the difference between a victorious Legion soldier and a dead NCR grunt.

I also see it as a way to integrate gameplay into the overall story. Yeah in our world trying to melee a bunch of soldiers with guns is idiotic, but in the fallout universe it's a perfectly valid strategy. Just like you can fistfight a deathclaw or tank a shot of plasma to the face, fallout humans are more durable than real world humans.
As someone who detests the Legion, my dislike for the Legion, or more specifically, how they are written comes from the fact that they are treated with kiddie-gloves in terms of realism. The NCR have realistic logistical issues that makes them unable to properly wage war and defend their territory. The Legion meanwhile manages to become a widespread threat entirely through the power of a having a go-getter attitude and a big book of roman words.

NCR grunts are made out of paper, with out-of-date kevlar and less-than-optimal rifles.
Legion gigachad warriors wear football armor and can tank bullets with their foreheads.
NCR grunts are few, scattered and disorganized despite having an entire national apparatus supporting them, with access to radios and a long-standing military tradition that should help in coordinating a military effort.
Legion has an inexhaustible supply of suicidal devotees who gladly charge into battle with machetes and spears.
NCR grunts struggle to take down ants and fire-geckos, despite being in squads of 3-4 rangers armed with carbines.
Legion Ascended nephilim centurions beat deathclaws to death with their big swinging dicks of doom.

The only way the Plot Armor could get more on the nose would be if Caesar himself was actively partaking in battles.

This is incidentally why, whenever i play NV, i always download mods that turn the Legion into something less pants-on-head retarded. Actual armor and using guns.
 
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I really want a new Fallout-like game in a big expansive world. I want to have those survival mode worries of if you can survive traveling across the desert. Adds a whole new dimension to it for me.

Also if you make the world bigger with more dead space you can add vehicles, which are always fun.
 
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