Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

By the late 2010's all that autonomy Iger had granted Pixar had all but vanished.
I think this was partially due to people getting moved around as plenty of Pixar talent worked on Disney films in the early 10s. This heavily benefitted Disney’s animation division, but in the end, Pixar and Disney essentially became one being.

I think that's the most important part worth highlighting, because I think it's key in analyzing the point where Iger took things to a point where the damage was irreparable; and that's when the success of their earlier ventures--Tangled, Frozen, various successful Pixar projects, and the MCU especially--made them big enough that they started to compromise quality in their aggressive pursuit of foreign markets, and enforce greater control over their divisions.
I agree with this, though I think there is more to it. In recent years, it seems like Disney is pulling another intentional killing of the animation department as I swear stuff like Reya doesn’t even get advertisements anymore. I stopped hearing about most of the company’s animated films till after they released. I feel like as Iger played the Monopoly game, he put so much stock in his adopted children that he killed off the life of the company’s bread and butter. The acquisitions of Star Wars and Marvel were detrimental long term as Disney stopped giving a fuck about anything past those brands and I guess the shitty remakes.
 
In recent years, it seems like Disney is pulling another intentional killing of the animation department as I swear stuff like Reya doesn’t even get advertisements anymore. I stopped hearing about most of the company’s animated films till after they released.
It's even stranger, because they'll go through the effort of giving some of these films a toy line (like Lightyear, for instance), which would surely add additional costs that would benefit from more awareness of the film, and then they barely release any ads or generate hype for the movie.

I don't know if it's the arrogant presumption that they don't need to advertise the films because "we're Disney, everyone's heard of us already", or if it's sheer ineptitude.

But I will be the first to say that this not without precedence, and the Eisner era was filled with well-made movies that were given fuck all in terms of advertising, like Atlantis and Treasure Planet, so it's not like this is a new thing for Disney. The only difference is that however those films failed, they still rested on the virtue of actually being good.

Something I can't say for the bulk of Disney's recent animated releases.
 
But I will be the first to say that this not without precedence, and the Eisner era was filled with well-made movies that were given fuck all in terms of advertising, like Atlantis and Treasure Planet, so it's not like this is a new thing for Disney. The only difference is that however those films failed, they still rested on the virtue of actually being good.
Eisner wanted to kill of the 2D animation studio to cut down on costs and because 3D was the new shiny thing. To be fair to him, I honestly believe those films would have failed regardless of if Disney marketed them.

Atlantis and Treasure Planet were fine, but definitely have that aura of being held back because they are Disney films. Atlantis is a fine Disney action film, but it is also a Disney action film, and it gets tripped up being that. This is all without taking in Disney’s failing reputation during the late 90s and 2000s. Ask an Xer that had kids around the time of those films, and most go with the narrative that everything Disney made after The Lion King was dog shit. Pocahontas broke the company, and middling films like Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and others were never good enough to regain the reputation of the Renaissance. Past that, Pixar and DreamWorks were pissing on Disney’s grave, Shrek quite literally. The era of Disney had come to an end by the point of Atlantis and Treasure Planet, so them killing off the studio made sense, given that Pixar filled the void and produced more widely acclaimed movies than they ever did.

With the Iger version, I have no idea as to what the reasoning is. Disney has like no competition in the field as Pixar, DreamWorks, and others were basically dead till recently. Disney also has this massive high of millenial consumers to eat up this shit, unlike the 2000s Xers.
 
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Bad upkeep in the Disney parks is nothing new. Neither are their legal troubles with having peeping toms, pedophiles, among other things. That all existed even in the Eisner era:


Yes, and this shit was alreaedy there-back in 1998, when Eisner was still in charge. The book, Disney, the Mouse Betrayed: Greed, Corruption, and Children at Risk came out in 1998.

So can we please stop pretending like Eisner didn't have these problems? A lot of the bad things with Disney (squeezing the parks dry for money, political correctness and feminism gone awry, letting pedos and peeping toms into the parks, bad upkeep with said parks) started under Eisner. The worst thing Bob Iger added was buying out the competition, but you know what? That's capitalism for you; it's lazy as fuck, but that John D. Rockefeller-type bullshit is surprisingly mundane when compared to someone who took a family-oriented entertainment company and merged it with Hollywood sleazebags and allowed all this perversion to run amok.

Iger is a lazy bum who buys out the competition instead of beating them. Eisner is the sleazebag who turned Disney from the capital of family-oriented entertainment into a magnet for Hollywood trash, sleaze, and politics/feminism. That silver lining you talk about with Eisner came at an enormous cost.

And again-many of the great things Disney did, especially with animation, came in spite of Eisner's influence, not because of it. And part of the reason why Disney is so......how can I use this term......."problematic", is due to the stuff Eisner introduced in the first place. A lot of the problems with modern Disney started under Eisner, they just grew to a larger extent under Iger because Iger is lazy and just throws money at the competition to make it go away.

And it's not like Disney didn't do anything dark or edgy prior to Eisner. Walt put the fucking devil in Fantasia, for crying out loud. I'm sure that old version of Disney wouldn't have much problems with things like Davy Jones in a pirate movie.
 
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Iger did do good for Disney in the beginning, mostly as a way to get in good graces with the Disney family/Pixar, and over time make more money for the company. They DID put out some good movies at the time too, but after his true agenda went into play it's obvious he stopped caring about anything but making money. He did the same thing to George, come up with a plan to sweet talk him into selling Lucasfilm, then go against everything he said he'd do.
Eisner’s push for a direct to DVD Toy Story 2 and The Buzz Lightyear cartoon pissed them off
That's too bad, because Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was a great fucking show. John Lasseter might not have liked it because he's autistic, but I recall the Disney guys asking Pixar for permission to do what they did on the show, and they were ok with it (not that they had much of a choice).
Phineas and Ferb, DuckTales, and Gravity Falks are all big Disney Channel series that aired during his time.
P&F was ok but repetitive, Gravity Falls was good from what I remember, but The Webby Show was a joke. It's like if Rey Palpatine was a duck.
I think this was partially due to people getting moved around as plenty of Pixar talent worked on Disney films in the early 10s.
Now this is something I've heard mixed things about. Other than Lasseter, I remember Pixar stating that they and WDAS did not share staff amongst each other and that they were completely separate studios. Maybe they were lying, but I don't think they are. WDAS and Pixar are so similar to one another they might as well be the same studio at this point though.
Eisner wanted to kill of the 2D animation studio to cut down on costs and because 3D was the new shiny thing.
Don't underestimate how popular Shrek and Toy Story were back then. CGI was the new hotness, so I can't get mad at Eisner or even George Lucas for wanting to capitalize on it, in theory.
The worst thing Bob Iger added was buying out the competition-
- stripping them of their creativity, subverting them, and forcing the studios to mass produce soulless trash every fiscal year for a quick buck
Eisner is the sleazebag who turned Disney from the capital of family-oriented entertainment into a magnet for Hollywood trash, sleaze, and politics/feminism.
That sounds like Iger too
Disney has like no competition in the field as Pixar, DreamWorks, and others were basically dead till recently.
Dreamworks put out two pretty good movies last year, and unlike Disney's movies, they actually made money because they didn't have $200 million budgets.
I think that's the most important part worth highlighting, because I think it's key in analyzing the point where Iger took things to a point where the damage was irreparable; and that's when the success of their earlier ventures--Tangled, Frozen, various successful Pixar projects, and the MCU especially--made them big enough that they started to compromise quality in their aggressive pursuit of foreign markets, and enforce greater control over their divisions.
Iger simped for China hardcore, and it made a shit ton of money for Disney. He's friendly with the CCP, and even lied to Hong Kong that Disney wouldn't put a theme park in the Mainland so their HK Disneyland could make a profit, just to put one in Shanghai anyways.

After a few years of no Disney movies in China, now that Iger's back the MCU and Avatar are right back in China. They might even put out another Star Wars movie again just so it can fail in China like they used to do.
 
Iger did do good for Disney in the beginning, mostly as a way to get in good graces with the Disney family/Pixar, and over time make more money for the company. They DID put out some good movies at the time too, but after his true agenda went into play it's obvious he stopped caring about anything but making money. He did the same thing to George, come up with a plan to sweet talk him into selling Lucasfilm, then go against everything he said he'd do.
That "true agenda" existed long before Iger got there. He just made sure to continue the trend Eisner started.

That's too bad, because Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was a great fucking show. John Lasseter might not have liked it because he's autistic, but I recall the Disney guys asking Pixar for permission to do what they did on the show, and they were ok with it (not that they had much of a choice).
I suppose that's one time when Eisner was in the right.

- stripping them of their creativity, subverting them, and forcing the studios to mass produce soulless trash every fiscal year for a quick buck
As for subversion, they were already subverting things under Eisner to fit politically-correct agendas. The story of Pocahontas was turned upside-down to appease Indian activists, as opposed to portraying the accurate history of an Indian woman who accepted English customs and religion.

That sounds like Iger too
As I said, Eisner started it.

Dreamworks put out two pretty good movies last year, and unlike Disney's movies, they actually made money because they didn't have $200 million budgets.

Iger simped for China hardcore, and it made a shit ton of money for Disney. He's friendly with the CCP, and even lied to Hong Kong that Disney wouldn't put a theme park in the Mainland so their HK Disneyland could make a profit, just to put one in Shanghai anyways.

After a few years of no Disney movies in China, now that Iger's back the MCU and Avatar are right back in China. They might even put out another Star Wars movie again just so it can fail in China like they used to do.
Iger didn't start it. He just continued a trend Eisner started. Even with the CCP censorship, Eisner worked with them so that Disney products can be sold in China.
 
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Basically Iger is Eisner without the creativity or addiction to risk taking that led to good things happening for a decade or so.
I still stand by that Eisner wouldn't have fucked up a sequel trilogy as badly as Iger and Kennedy did.
True-Eisner's Disney won't even buy Star Wars at all. They'll probably try to bury it in competition with their own space fantasy epic. They'll probably make something as bad as the Sequel Trilogy, but it'd be a brand new IP, and therefore, Disney will have a blank canvas to paint in. If Lucas dares to sue on the charge of plagiarism, Disney has the best lawyers and will win any case. But at the same time, Eisner's Disney will still be a hive of scum and villainy, full of woke leftist politics, radical feminism, jacking up the prices for poorly-maintained parks, getting in bed with Hollywood sleazebags, and letting pedos run amok.
 
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So this happened...

Hamill liked a tweet by JK Rowling where she defended herself against a tranny claiming it was more of a woman than Rowling, which was then followed by a hoard of Disney simps attacking him over it on Twitter, and unsurprisingly he quickly removed the like and didn't even put up a fight, but despite this gesture, there's more hate for him on twitter than before and a lot of "We still have Star Trek/Dr.Who/etc" whining.
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Personally I hope this escalates further (which is likely considering all the heavy drama with Harry Potter right now) just to see how the drama unfolds and if it forces Disney and Lucasfilm to make even dumber decisions.

In other news, tomorrow is the 18th Anniversary of James Luceno's Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil. So give that a go if you want the better and more accurate version of the events leading up to ROTS than what TCW season 7 delivered.
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In other news, tomorrow is the 18th Anniversary of James Luceno's Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil. So give that a go if you want the better and more accurate version of the events leading up to ROTS than what TCW season 7 delivered.

I've been planing on asking about the TCW. Even as somebody who knows the prequels are shit, I'm still a bit curious about watching TCW but I idk if it's any good. Sounds like people don't like season 7, but I'm curious if the rest of the show is worth watching?
 
So this happened...

Hamill liked a tweet by JK Rowling where she defended herself against a tranny claiming it was more of a woman than Rowling, which was then followed by a hoard of Disney simps attacking him over it on Twitter, and unsurprisingly he quickly removed the like and didn't even put up a fight, but despite this gesture, there's more hate for him on twitter than before and a lot of "We still have Star Trek/Dr.Who/etc" whining.
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Personally I hope this escalates further (which is likely considering all the heavy drama with Harry Potter right now) just to see how the drama unfolds and if it forces Disney and Lucasfilm to make even dumber decisions.

In other news, tomorrow is the 18th Anniversary of James Luceno's Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil. So give that a go if you want the better and more accurate version of the events leading up to ROTS than what TCW season 7 delivered.
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Drink the green milk, Cuck.

After his TDS, I want to see his twitter account swinging from a street lamp. I know the left won't learn anything.... but you know... maybe.
 
So this happened...

Hamill liked a tweet by JK Rowling where she defended herself against a tranny claiming it was more of a woman than Rowling, which was then followed by a hoard of Disney simps attacking him over it on Twitter, and unsurprisingly he quickly removed the like and didn't even put up a fight, but despite this gesture, there's more hate for him on twitter than before and a lot of "We still have Star Trek/Dr.Who/etc" whining.
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Personally I hope this escalates further (which is likely considering all the heavy drama with Harry Potter right now) just to see how the drama unfolds and if it forces Disney and Lucasfilm to make even dumber decisions.

In other news, tomorrow is the 18th Anniversary of James Luceno's Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil. So give that a go if you want the better and more accurate version of the events leading up to ROTS than what TCW season 7 delivered.
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I hope Mark learns the error of his ways and fixes his mistake with a Joker voice reading of Rowling’s Tweets like he did for Trump. JK should see that she sounds like a deranged clown for hating on such true and honest women.
 
I hope Mark learns the error of his ways and fixes his mistake with a Joker voice reading of Rowling’s Tweets like he did for Trump. JK should see that she sounds like a deranged clown for hating on such true and honest women.

We can only dream.

Drink the green milk, Cuck.

After his TDS, I want to see his twitter account swinging from a street lamp. I know the left won't learn anything.... but you know... maybe.

Fuck that, he can hate Trump. I jump off when he dunked on the man's grandson for dressing up as a stormtrooper.

That was the moment he lost my respect.
 
In other news, tomorrow is the 18th Anniversary of James Luceno's Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil. So give that a go if you want the better and more accurate version of the events leading up to ROTS than what TCW season 7 delivered.
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That's because Revenge of the Sith was shot with the Clone Wars Multimedia project in mind as canon. Meanwhile, TCW is merely trying to insert its own round pegs on square holes with its retelling of events prior to ROTS.

James Luceno is one of the few authors to truly understand the characters and themes of Star Wars, especially when it comes to what Lucas was trying to get across. Other authors seem to dip into baby-mama drama (LOL Troy Denning) or outright maliciously rewriting the story to fit their own fanfic version of things. (Karen Traviss) Even authors as good as Timothy Zahn misinterpret characters like Darth Vader. Luceno seems to have worked closely with Lucas on details that take place before and after EPIII, and why certain things are the way they are, like why Vader doesn't throw lightning at people, or why Palpatine barely cares about hunting the remaining Jedi survivors.
 
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Hamill liked a tweet by JK Rowling where she defended herself against a tranny claiming it was more of a woman than Rowling, which was then followed by a hoard of Disney simps attacking him over it on Twitter, and unsurprisingly he quickly removed the like and didn't even put up a fight, but despite this gesture, there's more hate for him on twitter than before and a lot of "We still have Star Trek/Dr.Who/etc" whining.
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"You've failed, your highness. I am a transphobe, like my father before me."
 
He responded by the way https://nitter.net/MarkHamill/status/1618012349516115968#m
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Yeah but you still liked a tweet from an "alleged transphobe" on the one place on the internet where people would give you shit for it. I like Mark as an actor and feel for him considering the bullshit he went through with the sequels, but he acts like such a fag on twitter it's hard to feel bad for him in this situation. That's just me though.
 
He responded by the way https://nitter.net/MarkHamill/status/1618012349516115968#m
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Yeah but you still liked a tweet from an "alleged transphobe" on the one place on the internet where people would give you shit for it. I like Mark as an actor and feel for him considering the bullshit he went through with the sequels, but he acts like such a fag on twitter it's hard to feel bad for him in this situation. That's just me though.

I don't feel bad. He and weak men like him created the world we live in.

He should have to face the consequences of his weakness.
 
He responded by the way https://nitter.net/MarkHamill/status/1618012349516115968#m
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Yeah but you still liked a tweet from an "alleged transphobe" on the one place on the internet where people would give you shit for it. I like Mark as an actor and feel for him considering the bullshit he went through with the sequels, but he acts like such a fag on twitter it's hard to feel bad for him in this situation. That's just me though.

"Speaking truth to power"
Oh so you like Rowling questioning men in dresses abotu if they are really women? TRANSPHOBE! LYNCH HIs twitter account!
 
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