Off-Topic What rights do trans people not have? - Discussion thread

[lolcow yoghurt]

This is a serious question: what rights trans people don't have?

I see westerners, especially from the US, talk about "trans rights". What exactly are "trans rights"?

American, and westerner in general, trans people are very privileged from my point of view. They have the right to silence anyone who speaks against the current trans wave. Trannies say that there's a genocide against them but they are the one suppress people who speak against them and self sterilisation/castration is not genocide. They try to change the common language to fit their narrative, they have this right for example. In American schools, children are taught that biological sex is not real and you can be whatever gender you want.

From a non-western view, trannies are very protected, praised by large corporations and have power over media. They seem like they have more rights than a regular citizen. So what rights they want?

 

[cumslut]

the "right" to groom kids

 

[Stupid Lisa Garbageface]

The right to sexually assault women with impunity? Right now they only have that in women’s prisons.

 

[Tard Whisperer]

The right to have taxpayers fund your extreme and dangerous body modifications

 

[Sprate Header]

They believe they have a "right" to the citizens' tax dollars (so they can fund their experimental treatments / surgeries, as well propaganda promoting their experimental treatments / surgeries), and since they classify any challenges to their belief system, any factual but critical reporting on their community's activities, and really anybody saying 'no' to any trans person for any reason whatsoever as unironically violent attacks on their "right to exist as trans people" or some faggy faux-philosophy shit like that, they also believe it's violating some abstract, fake right to safety or comfort for anyone to oppose them, despite our tax dollars literally funding them.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Of course, I don't think transgender "people" should have any rights at all, and they most certainly should be discriminated against.

 

[Toolbox]

In the west there are 0 rights trannies do not yet have. They have all the rights of the regular person and then some. If you confront a tranny on this supposed issue the only thing they can usually spout is the bullshit trans panic defense argument, a legal loophole that doesn't actually exist.

 

[Super Dilator Duel 3D]

the "right" to groom kids

The right to sexually assault women with impunity? Right now they only have that in women’s prisons.

These answers both work but I disagree if only because they tend to get free passes for this behavior anyways. Shit like what Keffals does or how the Trans Lifeline scandal went down would not have been accepted if the culprits were straight white men and not straight white men that chopped their dicks off and put on dresses. More than anything they want the ability to control literally everything anybody says about them, which is why they've placed such importance on gaining a stranglehold over, for instance, social media and internet moderation.

 

[Toilet Grenade]

The right to do whatever they want without consequence.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

The right to force everyone else to treat them as the center of the universe around which reality itself orbits.

 

[Brutality]

The right to Jerk off in women's restrooms

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

The right to Jerk off in women's restrooms

They already have it.

 

[Positron]

The right to take down any website that make them "feel unsafe", even if that involves breaking the internet infrastructure.

 

[murph]

"Freedom of movement" to have a bowel movement in the women's toilets.

"Freedom of expression" to express their cum in women's toilets.

"Freedom of thought" to think of themselves as unicorns that shit glitter.

 

[fake farts]

The right to be massive misogynistic shits on a level tards like Nick Fuentes can only dream of. And they basically already have it, too.

 

[Fapcop]

The right to cry out in pain as they strike us!

 

[Attractive Sexhaver]

A transgendered person in most western countries enjoys special legal and employment protections as a protected class of person. They can expect subsidised medical care for procedures that would be considered cosmetic for cisgendered people. They're allowed to change their legal gender with varying degrees of rigour. In many countries there's no requirement for gender reassignment surgery. If they're MTF, they can expect access to exclusively women's spaces and services such as women's shelters. They can compete in women's sporting events.

The discourse around trans rights in these countries mostly coalesces now on the following topics:

- To what extent should children be allowed to transition, and what rights to parents have to withhold approval for surgical and hormone treatments?
- To what extent should speech critical of the current trans rights movement be considered hates speech and subject to censorship? Should something like deadnaming be considered a hate crime?
- To what extent should we further loosen requirements to recognise someone as transgendered? Does a transwoman need to actually be on HRT to be legally considered trans, given that many countries don't require bottom or top surgery?

The concept of trans rights as a legal discussion is over. Trans people won the war entirely. The limitations for what an adult trans person can do is purely a scientific one at this point. If you want your penis removed and made into a transvagina you can probably get it at no cost to you, paid for by the taxpayer. The only reason they won't implant a working womb in you if you ask for one is because the technology isn't there yet.

Trans activists get increasingly strident in their accusations of repression and hate crimes because the legal accommodations far, far outweigh the societal norms. Make no mistake, trans people absolutely are an at risk population for hate crimes and being targeted, but the mainstream discourse is invariably around acknowledging commonsense differences between transwomen and natal women, and trying to minimise the risk of long term damaged to children who assert they're transgendered but may be simply confused.

It's not enough. Anything other than full-throated support for whatever the current position is couched as "violence" against trans people. If you don't believe a person who lived the first 40 years of their life as a heterosexual man but came out as a transwoman on their 41st birthday isn't the exact same thing as a biological women, you're committing violence against the trans community. There's no raft of legal changes to a person's "rights" that will satisfy them. What they're hoping to do is quash dissident views and change dissident's perception of reality itself. You have to believe that biological man in a schoolgirl's outfit is a true and honest woman, up to and including having sex with "her" if she desires it. You have to play along with every fantasy a trans person may have, whether it's that they're actually a little girl, or a stunning brave lesbian, or they're an elite athlete. If you get caught expressing anything like doubt, you're a bigot.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

It mostly seems to be about healthcare and troons being treated as if they were always the sex they "identify" as.

Many people on both sides would say that if an adult wants to take hormones, have surgery etc., that's up to them, but a lot of troons and TRAs want that to apply to minors too, and for taxpayers to foot the bill.

Far more contentious are the "trans women are women"-type statements, where we're told that if a man says "I'm a woman now", he's to be treated as if he literally always was a woman and allowed into female spaces, sports etc. without exceptions. This is also why we have the whole "genital preferences are transphobic" and "female penis" nonsense, because it's all or nothing for these people. A pre-op trans woman can't be a woman if a penis is a male sex organ, so we have to re-educate the world on biology, gaslight people into thinking it's what all scientists already believe, and cry "bigot! Nazi!" at anyone who even questions it to make people scared to speak out.

There's also proposed bans on "conversion therapy", which in this case seems to actually be the reverse of what would traditionally be called that, i.e. if a 12 year old boy says "I'm trans and I'm a girl now", any attempt to do anything other than affirm their new gender is being treated as akin to dragging a gay kid off to an exorcist to have the gay demon beaten out of them, even though lots of "trans kids" have mental health issues, autism, have been the victims of abuse, or sometimes all of those things, and most "trans kids" do eventually grow out of it.

It's why it's such an impossible situation, legally speaking, because you cannot grant certain rights to troons without trampling on women's rights and putting young people in potential danger of having their lives ruined.

 

[PaladinBoo]

The right to force every woman to suck their girlcock.
The right to force lesbians to be in a relationship with them.
The right to pink pill little boys for their sexual gratification against their parents will.

 

[gampboonerisms]

they believe that they have the right to police my speech and my thought. but what they don't have is arresting powers.
ain't never heard of a trans cop.