Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Matt Damon]

Also, Linux today isn't the linux of 10+ years ago. There's a lot of noob help nowadays.

That's verbatim what they told me ten years ago. It wasn't true then and it's not true now.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

That's verbatim what they told me ten years ago. It wasn't true then and it's not true now.

Because your bar seems to be if Linux can run Solidworks and Photoshop. Nevermind anything else, I guess. Your post is just as pigheaded as the phantom Linuxfags "they" are.

 

[White Devil]

I used Linux Mint and Ubuntu before in the 2010s, they weren't difficult at all, I know how to use Terminal and command line and all that jazz, MSDOS being what they had on computers in school when I was a kid and "Typing" was an actual class.

IMO as others have said, they are fine if you have a direct goal in mine or just general websurfing or watching movies however I use my PC mainly to game and dual booting is a pain in the ass. Yes, I am that lazy and entitled and I don't want to have to run Wine or VMs or whatnot just to play a video game with my friend. I don't want to deal with the driver bullshit. I honestly think Linuxfags are a cult unto themselves and make a fucking operating system their identities. I don't even dislike most Linux distros, they're just not where I need them to be for my own personal computing.

Windows fucking sucks and gets shittier each release but Linux fanboys actively make people dislike wanting to try something new with their zealotry. It's like the Android vs iPhone wars of yesteryear.

 

[Matt Damon]

Because your bar seems to be if Linux can run Solidworks and Photoshop. Nevermind anything else, I guess. Your post is just as pigheaded as the phantom Linuxfags "they" are.

"I need my operating system to work with the programs I use every day personally as well as depend on professionally."

"YOUR DEMANDS ARE ABSURD, YOU MICRO$OFT SHEEP!"

 

[The Ugly One]

I can't agree with this. As someone who dailys MacOS and uses Linux and Windows, Windows has the most annoying filesystem. Windows explorer flat out doesn't work more often than not, and God help you if you saved something to one of Windows' temp folders. You can fix this with an app like Everything, but that's something totally new to learn and at that point, Linux is more familiar in terms of structure.

@Pissmaster's point wasn't that WIndows' file system, which had all of fifteen minutes' thought put into it in like 1982, is better than how POSIX systems do it. It's that switching software idioms confuses and disorients people. Just changing up how the start menu works a bit causes conniptions around users, so when Linux nerds show up and blithely act like changing the fundamentals of how everything is put together is just no big deal, you are completely disconnected from what actual users are like. And then, even on big things like "whoa, wtf, the file system is totally different, I don't understand," rather than be helpful, most Linux people would rather be nasty cunts.

Linux people ITT are like, "Oh yeah, containerizing your applications and running them through this layer is a snap, maybe you've got to write an extra configuration script now and then, but don't worry, Stack Exchange has you covered, it's easy, I don't understand why everybody isn't doing this," when the average person shits their pants if the save icon is no longer a 3.5" floppy.

 

[Pissmaster]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I made a thread a couple of years ago that ended up with plenty of great posts to pull up for this thread. This post from @Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 in particular's a classic:

I suddenly stopped having any sound in the guest when upgrading VMware on Ubuntu and Mint. Googling a solution to that yielded lots of unhelpful answers from snarky Linux users. One response that I remember was "why do you need sound?".
There was also lots of locked threads because the question had been asked before and was considered solved, and then a link to a documentation article on VMWare's site outlining how to set up sound. That doesn't work, for reasons the screenshots will explain.

This is the most common response that I saw with that exact same link.
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It goes to this.
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Current version at the time the guy asked the question.
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Roughly the date of release of the version(3.2) the support page refers to.
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There's a lot to like about Linux but the userbase isn't great.

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@Pissmaster's point wasn't that WIndows' file system, which had all of fifteen minutes' thought put into it in like 1982, is better than how POSIX systems do it. It's that switching software idioms confuses and disorients people. Just changing up how the start menu works a bit causes conniptions around users, so when Linux nerds show up and blithely act like changing the fundamentals of how everything is put together is just no big deal, you are completely disconnected from what actual users are like. And then, even on big things like "whoa, wtf, the file system is totally different, I don't understand," rather than be helpful, most Linux people would rather be nasty cunts.

Exactly. I'd like to give everyone a friendly reminder that we've all had moments when we didn't know how to do something on our phones, only to learn you're supposed to swipe or long press or some other action we've never done before. And then we all think "I have lived XX years sitting behind a computer, and I couldn't figure out how to use a program made for colossal retards."

 

[Matt Damon]

"I have lived XX years sitting behind a computer, and I couldn't figure out how to use a program made for colossal retards."

Literally nothing related to computers is intuitive until you've learned the customs and idioms of the interface that are often chosen nearly arbitrarily.

In most Android apps, I can select multiple fields or files or whatever by long-pressing the first one and then short-tapping the rest. But oh no, not in Gmail! In Gmail, I have to long-press every additional email that I want to select because fuck me, I guess.

 

[Smar Mijou]

No, there is a very simple point that you keep refusing to understand: You shouldn't blame Linux for nvidia's fuckery.
That does not mean you have to use Linux, or throw your GPU away. It simply means put the blame where it belongs.

Is this such a complicated concept to you?

Actually, fuck every single one of you who doesn't acknowledge the superior graphics and sound capabilities of the Amiga line of computers! You're all just a bunch of inferior troglodytes who are stuck on your vastly inferior and frankly plebeian Windows and Linux setups! AmigaOS 3.2 is the be-all end-all of operating systems, and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't even own a computer!


--Sent from my Amiga A4000 via 56kbps dialup modem--

 

[Smar Mijou]

No, there is a very simple point that you keep refusing to understand: You shouldn't blame Linux for nvidia's fuckery.
That does not mean you have to use Linux, or throw your GPU away. It simply means put the blame where it belongs.

Is this such a complicated concept to you?

Actually, fuck every single one of you who doesn't acknowledge the superior graphics and sound capabilities of the Amiga line of computers! You're all just a bunch of inferior troglodytes who are stuck on your vastly inferior and frankly plebeian Windows and Linux setups! AmigaOS 3.2 is the be-all end-all of operating systems, and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't even own a computer!


--Sent from my Amiga A4000 via 56kbps dialup modem--

 

[byuu]

Actually, fuck every single one of you who doesn't acknowledge the superior graphics and sound capabilities of the Amiga line of computers! You're all just a bunch of inferior troglodytes who are stuck on your vastly inferior and frankly plebeian Windows and Linux setups! AmigaOS 3.2 is the be-all end-all of operating systems, and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't even own a computer!


--Sent from my Amiga A4000 via 56kbps dialup modem--

Windows is such a shitty OS. Doesn't even run on an A4000 unlike Linux and requires me to buy different hardware made for Windows.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

And here I am using the same operating system for 20 years. For free. Can't relate!

 

[The Ugly One]

And here I am using the same operating system for 20 years. For free. Can't relate!

Heh, only 20 years? Been using SCP on my System/32 since I was born.

 

[1996 Toyota Camry]

Vista isn't as bad as people make it out to be

A lot of the distaste for Vista stems from the shitfest that was OEMs marketing some computers at the time as "Vista Certified" but actually having Vista not run very well at all on them, including some features like the hugely marketed aero not working. There were the bugs too which didnt help the situation, they were no worse than other day one bugs but they were amplified by the fact that Vista ran like shit on computers people were told it would run well on. By the time Vista SP2 rolled out pretty much everything was ironed out and better hardware overall was much more common and thats why that is considered the most stable release of Vista.

That's verbatim what they told me ten years ago. It wasn't true then and it's not true now.

Comparing now to 10 years ago, there are certainly is more articles, tutorials, existing threads, noob help out there on the internet for basic and advanced linux tasks

 

[Pissmaster]

A lot of the distaste for Vista stems from the shitfest that was OEMs marketing some computers at the time as "Vista Certified" but actually having Vista not run very well at all on them, including some features like the hugely marketed aero not working. There were the bugs too which didnt help the situation, they were no worse than other day one bugs but they were amplified by the fact that Vista ran like shit on computers people were told it would run well on. By the time Vista SP2 rolled out pretty much everything was ironed out and better hardware overall was much more common and thats why that is considered the most stable release of Vista.

Yup, exactly. It also followed up Windows XP, an OS often still referred to as the greatest version of Windows of all time (and still the best OS for 32-bit machines you're keeping offline). Replacing Vista with XP back in 2008 was considered a very good idea. Along with Vista came Games for Windows Live, which was heavily panned for demanding a paid subscription to play online, alongside demanding you to log into your Xbox Live profile. That's not nearly as big as the whole thing about Vista just having high requirements for the time, but, gamers are noisy, so I heard about GFWL problems a lot.

Windows is such a shitty OS. Doesn't even run on an A4000 unlike Linux and requires me to buy different hardware made for Windows.

whats an a4000

 

[Pissmaster]

oh



it's a Commodore computer from 1992, yeah I figure windows 11 wouldn't run on that

 

[byuu]

whats an a4000

The best platform for Deluxe Paint, the program to make furry porn before Photoshop.

 

[1996 Toyota Camry]

That's not nearly as big as the whole thing about Vista just having high requirements for the time

The problem was not necessarily just that (though for most who were upgrading from XP it probably was), many computers at the time could run it well, its just that OEMs were still releasing ultra-shit-tier computers alongside the better ones and marketing them as fully compatible. In addition to that, XP was running really well on even super old hardware for that time which meant that people were not replacing/upgrading their very old computers, and Microsoft seemed like they were trying to imply that Vista would work well on even the really old systems which didn't turn out to be true, there were fuckups on all ends to do with the failure of Vista.

And also yeah, XP was a really high bar to beat, even 7 didn't top it for a fair amount of users, especially business users.

 

[Mothra1988]

When will Linux get better at playing games? Never? Are troons at fault for this?

 

[Pee Cola]

The best platform for Deluxe Paint, the program to make furry porn before Photoshop.

That explains why so many Amiga users are the way they are.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

When will Linux get better at playing games? Never? Are troons at fault for this?

Skill issue. My entire steam library, including VR games work, with the singular exception of Halo, due to 343 deliberately putting a hurdle in place to disallow online play outside of Windows (Internally, the game actually HAS the Linux EasyAntiCheat libraries, but are toggled off in-game). Many games run better, including Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, and some games that do not run AT ALL in modern Windows, like Bioshock 1, and many other older games, run in Linux.

This isn't even a problem anymore, in fact, Linux is currently MORE compatible, if your goal is to play games from the Xbox 360 era, or older, which should be your goal, because video games aren't good anymore.