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These sorts of package deals are designed for middle aged small town Midwesterners who are going on a "once in a lifetime trip to Europe". They lack street smarts and need to be shepherded around, and they also lack the confidence to attempt to research things to do and plan their own itineraries - they want a guarantee that they'll check off the boxes of things to do while they're there. They're paying a premium for peace of mind, kinda like those retiree cruises. It's honestly not a bad itinerary all things considered, but not to my taste. Whenever my partner and I go to Italy I like to have unstructured days and just go exploring and relax over aperol rather than "we need to get up for 9am because the bus leaves at 9:30 on our tour and then we'll be back here for 4pm and that gives us an hour to get ready before the next scheduled thing, and then tomorrow we're going to another city having only spent a day here". I'm a Britbong though so it's a lot easier for me to go to Italy.Forgive me for double posting, but I find it truly insane and it needs breaking down.
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I'm not even including the "walking tours" as you can literally get free walking tours from poor History majors in basically all European cities, and you only need to give like 10€ afterwards to calm your conscience.
Hiking is also obviously free.
- Train from Naples to Sorrento: 5 to 8€.
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- Bus from Sorrento to Positano: 11€.
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- Ferry from Naples to Capri: 25€
- Double bedroom in a 4-star hotel in Naples: 83€ a night. Under 500€ for five nights.
- Average meal price in Naples: 12 to 30€. If you were to be dumb and spend 60€ a day on food, it would mean 360€ for six days, since a normal hotel includes breakfast.
- Bus to Pompeii: 3 to 6€.
- Guided visit to Pompeii: 40€.
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- Bus to Mt Vesuvius: 10€
- Tour of Mt Vesuvius: 60€
Seriously. Even with a guide, that costs 200—300€ per day, if you split it among a 20 person group that's 15 € a day. For six days, 90€. Honestly, having a guide with you all day for six days is really unnecessary in a Western country where almost the whole local economy is oriented towards tourists. But OK, let's say they really need the guide. The trip as described wouldn't amount to much more than 1.000€, even with the wine tasting and the "pizza course", which are the typical activities a tour company gets for very cheap from friendly businesses in exchange for sending the gullible tourists their way.
How important does this idiot Sander think he is? Whoever goes on this trip honestly deserves to get scammed.
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Ironically this also means such packages work well for genderspecials who lack resilience and need to be handheld around a bunch of stage managed locations, lest they accidentally interact with an actual local who calls them a mezzo finoc (or if they're female, tries to fuck them). That's probably why whoever's running this has got Sander on board, to try and tap into that market. If you're thinking "but these people have no money", consider: software development, corporate HR, people sponging off wealthy parents.
Sander's got (flabby) abs, is losing his looks, is young, is highly impressionable, and is desperately insecure and searching for validation. That's catnip for a certain type of predatory gay man who thinks they might get someone going cheap in the sales.Jesus...Looks like Sander has a lot of male admirers*. Guess that explains the incessant shirtlessness.
* And whiners
You know what, it's rare I get to feel happy for Jazz in this thread, but good for him. It seems like he's actually starting to wake up to his situation and put his foot down with Jeanette. Some of this is no doubt scripted, but Jazz is pissing off Jeanette and doesn't care that he's pissing her off. Again, he's starting to show more of a spine than Sander.I am Jazz, S8 ep 2, Mommy Dearest.
Jazz has been worried about coming home from college as her mother is overprotective and even tracks his phone.
He goes to a beach party and somewhere with Sander, and Mommy is worried when they don’t answer the phone and goes out to track them down. Jazz is upset mom shows up at party, but is very reasonable, saying he is 21 and wants to do normal things. Jeannette first used the excuse there is more hate than ever and worries, then nags Jazz to tell her about the party. Jazz says he got in his head and sometimes when he does that he goes to a bathroom and takes off all jus clothes. (??) Mom says she was right to be worried, Jazz had social anxiety, mom instinct.
Jazz meets up with trans friends to get juices, but Jazz gets pb&J. . Jazz’ friend is getting a boob job, but Jazz says he got the breasts he always wanted thanks to estrogen and mom. Jazz loves being able to sit with legs spread and a vagina. He always manspreads so wtf? Discussion of going stealth and. Jazz says he passes but would not go stealth. He shows pictures of men on his dating app. One fake plant calls him a faggot.
Next scene: Jazz makes a tik tok with Sander about her book being banned. Jeannette complains about Florida government. Jazz says people are afraid of change. Sander plays director. Cut! Roll! Jazz says Sander is no Spielberg, (no shit). Blah blah spread love blah.
Next scene At grandparents: Grandma doesn’t cook. More talk about book and video, blah blah, they play it for grandma. Jeanette has a bottle of vodka while complimenting Sander. Good choice Jeannette. Read comments from video. Uh oh, mom can’t take it she gets uglier.
Next scene: home with talk about Jazz picking classes. Jazz admits to using dating app and mom freaks out. Jazz isn’t supposed to be on those apps!!
Jazz sets up a date and Sander actually sings “Jazz got a boyfriend” like a six year old. Jeannette insists Sander go with, Has ha! Why these people even go home I don’t know. Jeannette thinks Sander makes things not weird ha ha ha ha! Sander doesn’t want to go either.
Jazz I’m her room calling Dayron. A very cute obvious actor. He admits to being an actor in a minute. He is fine with her trans status. Asks her out. Jazz tells him they have to double date. He’s cool with it, the more he’s on TV the better.
Jazz woke up next day feeling sick. Pool is drained and a turtle is in it. Dad helps get it out. Jazz kisses Turtle. Puts turtle in lake in back. Talk about Jazz being in her head too much but no explanation of what that means.
Jazz feels insecure because of Book ban being in dating world. He creates a video diary and says he needs to be perfect. He’s struggling but can’t figure out it’s because he’sa dude. Mom is listening to video diary and comes in. Jazz starts crying, mom says to stop thinking of herself.
“I just want to feel like myself. I’m so confused. I want clarity”. Jeannette attributes that to fame.
Now Jazz says mom is always there but Jazz sees it’s unhealthy to be too dependent on mom.
My takeaway: Jazz is growing up and all Mental issues are brought on by mom. They are far too codependent. If Jazz moved away he might figure out he’s actually a dude.
Edit: I wrote this as I was watching so excuse typos snd wrong gender. Sometimes I just wrote what they said.