Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[Prince Vegeta]

giving tools of death to kids

I gave my youngest tools of death to cut and eat her food with just this morning.

 

[snootsnootsnoot]

That is giving somebody the information on how to hang, that is assisting somebody with their death. If I did that in person to someone then it is illegal, so yes it should be illegal online too.

If words on a screen from a pseudonymous internet user are enough to get someone to commit suicide, they were already well on their way out. If someone is deliberately seeking out those words on a screen from pseudonymous internet users on how to commit suicide, they are already very dedicated to the idea. Random hypothetical children on the Internet being "lured" into committing suicide by an evil website is a failure of parental supervision, much like a child drinking the funny blue liquid under the sink, not to speak on how often that actually happens (I'd wager somewhere around never, at least on SS).

The internet and the real world are still two very different things. It's why me calling someone a filthy nigger that needs to be slaughtered like an animal would get me arrested for public misconduct, threats, harassment, hate crimes, etc if I did it in the real world, but doing it on the Internet amounts to fuck-all on most decent websites, like this one. Words lose a lot of their power when they are posted over the Internet. Internet strangers don't have the same kind of interpersonal impact that real life friends and connections do. A post on the internet telling me to suck-start a shotgun is very different from a significant other of multiple years handing me a noose and telling me to dance from the ceiling.

 

[AbsurdFate]

I think hyperbolic language like this is the problem, though.

Even through an extremely biased lens, I don't think this describes the site in the slightest imo.

I have another question, a main topic on the forum is about the Suicide Wiki, it seems that at some point you decided to leave this site that was linked directly to SS. Could you explain the reason for this decision? And why don't you just hand over the site to the new administrator as well? Did maintaining the site represent a danger to the entire staff?

 

[Frogget-me-not]

Rain and Sadness is a total cunt. Rules with a rod of iron and talks to people like cunts. Threatens them, twists what they say, and is so far up FuneralCry's arse, although I don't believe they're the same person at all.
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Is former founder @afounder a cunt for leaving the community and trusting RainAndSadness with the forum? Serious question.

Pressured by the press or not, stepping down is one way to take the heat off and wash your hands of the trouble that comes with dealing with miserable people all day. I don’t blame the guy for taking the exit strategy like a startup selling out to big corpo. I probably would have done the same thing.

Even if he was as stubborn as @Null, no one has a perfect janny police force and we’d likely still be in a similar situation. Mod shit burns you out over time, doubly so if you’re a mentally ill person dealing with other chronically depressed people constantly. (I’m convinced Null has held out for so long for KF mainly because Kiwi Farms is hilarious. If he ran SS he would have necked himself 5 years ago.)

The only way to win the game is to not play.

 

[Lone Outsider]

If people can't get their shit together regarding abortion then they sure as hell can't argue about the situations where SS would be justified.

SS in my books would be justified if a person is crippled beyond recovered and/or are in great pain. Anything that makes living a fate worse than death but what constitutes that is something I see will be argued about after all the moral faggotry is dealt with.

Priorities, man.

 

[iffywas]

Is former founder @afounder a cunt for leaving the community and trusting RainAndSadness with the forum? Serious question.

I didn't see much cuntery from him when he was the admin. I never once saw him behaving like a cunt on the forum, in fact I don't recall any drama at all from those days. Not saying there wasn't any, I just didn't see any. Every bit of drama I've seen has been centred around the cuntiness and baiting of the FC situation. I certainly don't blame him for leaving, there was no need to doxx him, that was an extremely cuntish move. Beyond that I have no opinion on him.

 

[muffin123]

I’ve lurked SS for about a year, I ended up having to make an account to continue to do so. I won’t get into the ethics of the site, I feel that there has been enough of that already itt.

The users themselves are far more interesting to me personally, you have long time lurkers who rarely post, but these users are mostly innocuous. Many people use the site as a safety net, they like to know that suicide is always an option. I’ve seen similar outlooks from people in Europe who have access to assisted dying.

My main issues is that within the last year or so there has been more of an emphasis on calling out the ‘pro-life’ users of the forum. Users like Funeral Cry and her white knights are very quick to jump on people who even suggest that a user take a step back and wait a day or so to gain a clear head before taking their own life. Many of the suicides I’ve seen on the site have been impulsive, and encouraging them is dubious at best. Other users (Chinaski comes to mind, as I’ve seen one of their comments posted here), may a-log FC, but also like to cause discontent within the community by being utter cunts to people they disagree with ideologically. When these types of users are called out they tend to use bs excuses about other users policing their speech, when it’s quite obvious they’re simply being bullies, as harassment often continues after their targets ask to no longer engage in discourse. Basically using SS as a safe space to vent is becoming harder and harder unless you engage in rightthink (antinatalism, anti-religion, pro-troon, pro-incel, etc.) There was a tangible change when Rain and Sadness took over, not that having an incel as a mod was particularly great, just considerably less shitty than a troon using an avatar featuring a manga character who has her literal shit eaten.

Now, I’m not going to a-log the users or mods of SS anymore than what I already have. They are obviously desperate people who need compassion and empathy more than anything. Though, I do have my concerns that the site will not only face pressure from external forces, but also end up like numerous self-censoring subs on Reddit, where, Allah forbid, you have an opinion that deviates from the majority.

The only user I take particular issue with is DeathDuetoDysphoria (now rebranded as CantDoItAnymore), who is a suicide baiting troon from way back.

Link to one of his threads:

Planning to CTB soon because of Gender/Sex Dysphoria. Ask me anything (pertaining to it)!

As the title suggests, I am "hoping" to CTB soon due to gender/sex dysphoria. I use the word hoping because there's always a chance I can pussy out and continue to suffer, but hopefully that won't happen. For reference, I am assigned male at birth (wishing I was female) and I am in my 30s...

sanctioned-suicide.net

It’s particularly annoying seeing people contemplating suicide due to terminal illness and loss of spouses/children, and this mofo bitching and moaning about how life is so bad because he can’t be a sexy teenage Korean girl.

New drama just dropped, between some mod called "looseye" and the troon "DeathDuetoDysphoria/CantDoItAnymore". Posting the screenshots she provided here as some weird drama happened in another thread yesterday in regards to some alleged predator ( he’s been accused of this several times) that still has not been banned, where the mods edited OP’s/the alleged new victims post and removed images of the private messages between the two eventually.

Link to the thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/playing-the-poor-abused-victim-toxicity-on-sasu.108254/

Imgur Links from CantDoItAnymore: https://imgur.io/a/g2t3jX5#ftfPCuy
https://imgur.io/a/8VWH431#WE3dJ9G

https://imgur.io/a/LPbOciF#vcOrEGU

 

[White532]

Stop using SS as a scapegoat. Imagine CTB because your life is hell and the only thing your family talk about is a forum.

Leave SS alone.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Even Wikipedia shows you how to tie and rope with a hangsman knot, gif included.

 

[Kees H]

The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

I can access the site from all of those three countries perfectly fine, even when using the DNS server of the providers in those countries. All from normal customer accounts, not business connections. Not saying you are lying, but it does not seem to be very effective.

 

[Sprate Header]

Even Wikipedia has shows you how to tie and rope with a hangsman knot, gif included.

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#DropWikipedia, we need to #FixThe26 and repeal the First Amendment, WHY ARE YOU MURDERING CHILDREN!?!?!?!?

 

[HRT Heisenberg]

I can access the site from all of those three countries perfectly fine, even when using the DNS server of the providers in those countries. All from normal customer accounts, not business connections. Not saying you are lying, but it does not seem to be very effective.

If you're using a VPN there's a pretty good chance it's using a custom DNS which would not be affected by the blocks in these countries. Additionally these countries are more than likely mandating specific ISPs to poison their DNS to make these blocks happen in the first place so it's also possible that some datacenters may not be included with this. Interestingly while playing around with VPNs and the sanctioned-suicide.net address I see they are region blocking for Australia and Italy just like what Null did for Germany. These have not been updated and will not redirect IPs from these countries using .org.

Spoiler: Block pages

(also just in case nobody's mentioned this here yet the non-suicide boards are open to the public)

 

[F13 Key]

If I could clap my hands and make S.S (nice shortening) disappear, I would, along with the still alive mods giving tools of death to kids. The OP does make a fair point about the slippery slope with pseudo legal sites. Still MATI

I suspect most people here would like a site like SS to not exist, because there'd be no societal need for it. We'd all probably like for there to be good jobs and education for everyone, less expectations placed upon men or women to meet impossible social or beauty standards, less culture war bullshit and price inflation, less war and troonery and overall misery. None of that is likely to happen soon, and governments at multiple levels are failing to meet those challenges or at least provide better mental health supports if they can't, so here we are.

People who commit suicide sometimes do it impulsively, or sometimes plan it out. If they're determined to do it, I'd rather they do it in a manner like using SN where they check out on their own in private, and not traumatize (or even land on) bystanders by jumping off a building. It'd be nice if some poor shmuck driving a truck didn't have PTSD from some teenager getting pancaked after leaping in front of him doing 70 on the interstate.

There are peripheral considerations when weighing the value of providing information like this and making it freely available. When in doubt, I lean towards making the information available, and directing advocacy to help stop people from feeling a need to access it to begin with. Most opposition to shit like MAiD in Canada stems from how the government is expanding the criteria for it to encompass people who have problems that the government could be helping them with, and isn't.

Countries like Sweden and China have successfully gotten their suicide rates down. Sweden did it by increasing mental health support programs. China did it by abandoning the one child policy and all the social and cultural pressures and consequences it caused, along with massive economic growth. Even Japan's overall rates are declining. The USA's rate in particular has been slowly increasing, along with that of some other western nations. The societal need for something like SS is going nowhere and banning it changes nothing.

 

[HRT Heisenberg]

The societal need for something like SS is going nowhere and banning it changes nothing.

In my opinion suicides will never go away because there will always be corruption, hardship, political extremism and anything else that makes a subsection of the population's lives unsalvageable. Also consider that suicide rates are actually pretty high in many poor countries, which is contrary to what I was first told on the subject. Which make me believe a lot of suicides are due to suffering and horrifying situations in less well off places. But even without that I do believe suffering is as integral to the human experience as living itself is, it'll always be there to a degree. Ironically I think the best thing we can do is "protect our children", not by censoring the Internet but rather by doing the best we can to not put younger generations in situations where they feel there is no way out and that the rest of their lives don't matter, as I do think a large amount of young suicides are impulsive. While finding suicide rate data I found a lot of conflicting information but one thing I see no matter where I research is as time goes on suicide rates in young people keep increasing [A].

I have posted a lot in this thread in a short amount of time without really providing any screenshots so I'll back off a bit as I don't think I can really say anything more that's useful right now. With that said I still want to try tracking down the actual posts from the screenshots posted here which I'm having trouble doing on Sanctioned Suicide itself. @afounder I've looked around the site and saw the mods do reference being able to search the site or look at users' profiles but I couldn't find it. I'm guessing only members can do those things?

 

[Markass the Worst]

@afounder I've looked around the site and saw the mods do reference being able to search the site or look at users' profiles but I couldn't find it. I'm guessing only members can do those things?

According to this study only members can use the search bar after an undisclosed number of posts.

Unfortunately, we are unable to confirm all available methods of Sanctioned Suicide, as we do not have access to all conversations. Although the site has a search bar, it is only available to people registered on the site after an undisclosed amount of comments. Furthermore, in addition to personal messages, there is also an internal subforum that is not publicly accessible but invite-only.

 

[Humbert Humbert]

I did have a bit of a chuckle at this part on their rules page. [A]

 

[muffin123]

I did have a bit of a chuckle at this part on their rules page. [A]
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This rule is broken daily in one way or another, nobody on the forum really cares about that rule too much.

 

[iffywas]

Every rule on that list is broken daily. I had never even noticed until seeing it just now.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

I knew my son was suicidal, after he left an abusive relationship. He was trying to find support from other males who had been subjected to domestic abuse and had then become suicidal. He did not get this, instead he was told life wouldn’t get any better and was directed to the SN method. Once it became known who my son was, Marquis or one of his associates then used my son as one of their success stories.

Every other post on there is method talk, especially SN and lots of advice given on different methods of suicide. Everyday there are a number of new threads about methods, where to obtain products etc.


We also know that “ranting” on Twitter won’t change things but it gets to right people. We don’t only post on Twitter, we are also working with the U.K. government on this subject.

Let me start off by saying that I am deeply sorry for the loss of your son, no parent should have to experience that sort of pain. RIP.

That being said, legislating online discourse will not prevent suicide. What it will do is allow the powers that be censor sites like this, which are an invaluable resource when it comes shining a light into the dark corners of depravity that exists in particular communities. Yes, the Farms is a gossip website that laughs at internet eccentrics, but it also catalogs individuals who are a real threat to society in general.

Information in regards to suicide methodology is only a library textbook away. Most unis in the UK will have extensive medical reference, and perhaps even a copy of Final Exit or the Peaceful Pill Handbook. SN is a method that requires research, it is not impulsive, so it is totally feasible for a determined, vulnerable individual to get this information without the aid of the internet. Even still, this sort of information has been traded online since long before SS, from LostAllHope all the way back to alt.suicide.holiday. Regardless, it would be impossible to prevent a Brit with a VPN from accessing an American website with any legislation. Most shrewd Kiwis are already well versed in these arts.

Ultimately, even if SS were to be censored on the clearweb, it would only push it down onto the dark web, you really don’t want that if you want to keep tabs on the community.

But I’m not saying anything other users haven’t already pointed out.

Thank you for your reply. I do have a lot of screenshots. I didn’t want to overload.

The last one wasn’t posted in the wrong place, there is a lot of talk of how to avoid medical intervention, what to say the health professionals, how to get out of psych ward.

Just wanted to add these last two.

Post however much you like, just use spoilers for large photo dumps. Type [ SPOILER ] with the spaces removed at the beginning and [ / SPOILER ] at the end, again removing the spacing.

New drama just dropped, between some mod called "looseye" and the troon "DeathDuetoDysphoria/CantDoItAnymore". Posting the screenshots she provided here as some weird drama happened in another thread yesterday in regards to some alleged predator ( he’s been accused of this several times) that still has not been banned, where the mods edited OP’s/the alleged new victims post and removed images of the private messages between the two eventually.

I do love how DDtD cries about it his triggers, despite saying some of the creepiest shit in regards to women that I’ve seen on this site to date. How can you be so self absorbed? The fact that the mods kiss his arse is of no surprise to me.

 

[Wodanaz]

If I could clap my hands and make S.S (nice shortening) disappear, I would, along with the still alive mods giving tools of death to kids. The OP does make a fair point about the slippery slope with pseudo legal sites. Still MATI

nigga if I clapped my hands and destroyed the internet for the same reason, people would still find reasons to kill themselves anyway. if you're referring to knowledge when you say tool... well good luck, you might as well start working with bill gates to microchip people and stop them from ever feeling like killing themselves. you are too short sighted to see the bigger picture. always beware the censors that claim to be helping you.