Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Catgirls are Love]

Oh, more Linux fanfiction like "Wine isn't an enormous pain in the ass that doesn't work as often as it does" and "FOSS replacements are just as good".

I only have experience with an OS X port of Wine (and it was also nearly a decade ago) but it was very good at running older software, in particular games. With other things like Steam it would inevitably shit itself, though it was stable and competent enough at the time for some game developers to say "Let's not bother porting this to Mac; just throw it into a Wine bundle and it'll run alright". That said, I don't think that practice lasted particularly long as inevitable updates to the game tended to eventually break Wine compatibility so live-service games with constant updates quickly moved on from that method (League of Legends). So in the end, it tended to oscillate between the extremes; many bits of software worked really well or like you said, it was an enormous pain in the ass that was exceedingly difficult for the user to fix themselves. And GIMP may not be Photoshop, but it does what I need it to do quite well.

I'd like to think that Wine has significantly improved since then, but I honestly don't know since this machine has been a Windows (7/10) box ever since I built it. Should Microsoft continue their current trend then likely someday I'll go for Linux as building a Hackintosh is nowhere near as appealing as it may have been years ago. Windows 11 and its successors can go fuck themselves until Microsoft collectively pulls their heads out of asses.

 

[Aidan]

The issue with "obscure" setups is that users have had 30+ years of Windows supremacy to find a multitude of niche interest software that is either Windows-only or far better on Windows. It may be "obscure" but in aggregate a significant fraction of the Windows userbase is using one or more of those pieces of software. It's not an irrelevant negligible group.

It isn't an irrelevant, negligible group but they're one of the few subsets that have a heckin valid excuse to stay on Windows.

I simply don't buy the narrative in this thread that 99% (or whatever) of people use their computers as glorified web browsers and nothing else. It's the same gay viewpoint that Silicon Valley faggots have that the current trend is the only thing that exists.

Chromebooks are pretty popular and designed to do everything online. What do you think most people do on computers?

I'd like to think that Wine has significantly improved since then, but I honestly don't know since this machine has been a Windows (7/10) box ever since I built it.

Steam's Proton is a fork of Wine and is what has made Linux gaming a lot nicer, it can be used independently to run other programs though I've not looked into how it stacks up for general use. Proton was a big jump for gaming, though and I've yet to run into a Windows-only game I can't run with it, without having to get my hands dirty.

Obscure setups is a reference to exotic hardware not software. Aside from the aforementioned obscure hardware and the associated drivers, there honestly isn't a single thing you can do on Windows that you can't do on Linux and likely far better. What is expected of you is to learn how to use the new software and learn the more efficient process. Obvious they're different binaries but aside from that there isn't much you can't do with Photoshop that can't be done with ImageMagik. Again, there's a learning curve. But like I said in my first post in this thread our entire conversation is a moot point since nobody is going to take that time. So I have exactly zero sympathy for people who will just complain without trying to improve their situation. You're unhappy with windows, fine. Move away from it.

There's some proprietary software that only works properly on Windows and open source equivalents either don't exist or are trash.

 

[Matt Damon]

Chromebooks are pretty popular and designed to do everything online.

Popular, absolutely. But based on tracking sites, they're still a tiny minority of computers and even of those, I'd wonder how many are used in lieu of a Windows (or Mac, I suppose) PC rather than in addition to one, replacing some of their usage but not all.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

I'm just gonna stick to Windows 10. Despite it's annoying updates, it's a fairly decent operating system for the most part. Windows 11 is plain trash and the fact they demand this orwellian OS onto its consumers make it a whole lot worse. If I can't use a proper user friendly OS anymore. I'm just gonna live with the lacandones in Mexico and go full luddite. I can still run Eien no Miyako, a game from 1998 on my PC.

 

[Aidan]

Popular, absolutely. But based on tracking sites, they're still a tiny minority of computers and even of those, I'd wonder how many are used in lieu of a Windows (or Mac, I suppose) PC rather than in addition to one, replacing some of their usage but not all.

Conjecture. It's been apparent for awhile that most people don't do anything serious with their computers, even Microsoft is checking out a cloud oriented OS.

Microsoft unveils Windows 365 — ushering in a new category of computing - Stories

Windows 365 will deliver a full, personalized PC experience from the cloud to any device, giving workers and organizations power, simplicity and security for hybrid work. REDMOND, Wash. — July 14, 2021 — Microsoft Corp. on Wednesday announced Windows 365, a cloud service that introduces a new...

news.microsoft.com

What do you think most people do on computers?

 

[Phony Chicken]

I went and downloaded what seemed to be the most active torrent on Pirate Bay for LTSC..... all the instructions and the USB creator tool are in Russian. Yeah no, don't trust that shit.

My criticisms of Linux aside, holy Christ Windows is a pile of shit. I've got five computers on a network right now (some wired, some wireless) and all communicate perfectly fine except for one pair and only going one direction.

View attachment 4411932

B refuses to see E on the network no matter what settings I've tried. But if I ping it first, it will time out the first two pings, then recognize it, and then the connection will work just fine for a while. I made a batch file called "MAKE SERVER WORK.BAT" that I run every time I want to look at E, but I still have no idea why it works or what the problem is.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or MacOS or Linux or FreeBSD or Commodore KERNAL - I fucking hate computers.

This triggers me. Fresh wound from earlier this week. I replaced my TP-Link AP at home with a Netgear one because for the second fucking time, the TP-Link AP started having problems with 5Ghz. I could connect but everything was slow, pages would load extremely slow or wouldn't load at all, etc, then it might disconnect me, sometimes couldn't see the network at all, etc. And by second time, this was the second TP-Link AP I've had that started having weird problems. Done with them.

So I set up the new Netgear one. Boot into Linux and configure it. Linux has no fucking problem at all with connecting to it and using it.
Boot back into Win 10. Win 10 sees it, and connects, and even tells me I have internet access. Except I don't. And not only was the internet not working, I couldn't even connect to my router. I couldn't even PING my router. Literally no network access at all even though I was connected and did get an IP from my router. After trying several things and cursing the pajeets at Microsoft, my wife downloaded the latest drivers for my wifi and gave them to me on a USB stick. Installed them and instantly everything is working fine. I have no fucking clue what broke it, but I suspect it may have been enabling WPA3 with the new AP, even though I set it to WPA2/WPA3 so it would accept either.

But Linux, Linux Mint didn't even hiccup. It had no problems. Fuck Windows and having to go get drivers for fucking every piece of hardware. That's one thing Linux defiantly does better. Basic hardware having support built into the kernel that actually just works. Except for nVidia of course. I think I have PTSD from having to deal with Linux nVidia drivers.

But I will agree with a post earlier, that the repository system with Linux is fucking garbage and stupid. The Mint/Ubuntu repositories are always so fucking out of date with the versions of programs they have and then you have to hunt down the ppa or repository for the program you want, add it, update, then install. Installing programs on Windows using an exe is something Windows does better than Linux and the godawful repository system since none of these faggot OS repositories want to keep shit up-to-date. I guess the equivalent is getting a .deb installer but not all programs offer that so then you have to use the repository option. I'm also ok with appimage but Docker can go straight to hell.

 

[Never Scored]

Conjecture. It's been apparent for awhile that most people don't do anything serious with their computers, even Microsoft is checking out a cloud oriented OS.

Microsoft unveils Windows 365 — ushering in a new category of computing - Stories

Windows 365 will deliver a full, personalized PC experience from the cloud to any device, giving workers and organizations power, simplicity and security for hybrid work. REDMOND, Wash. — July 14, 2021 — Microsoft Corp. on Wednesday announced Windows 365, a cloud service that introduces a new...

news.microsoft.com

What do you think most people do on computers?

Also, Microsoft now allows you to access the full Office Suite and apps that are popular in business such as teams through the browser now. Why else would they be doing that unless they see things going in that direction?

Even the accounting software I use at work has a cloud version you can access through the browser. I won't use it because I will only allow our accounting data to be stored locally, but it's there. You could literally run a small business through cloud based browser apps now.

 

[byuu]

Also, Microsoft now allows you to access the full Office Suite and apps that are popular in business such as teams through the browser now. Why else would they be doing that unless they see things going in that direction?

Even the accounting software I use at work has a cloud version you can access through the browser. I won't use it because I will only allow our accounting data to be stored locally, but it's there. You could literally run a small business through cloud based browser apps now.

To be fair, cloud shit is even worse than using Windows.

 

[Never Scored]

To be fair, cloud shit is even worse than using Windows.

No disagreement from me. It's popular though.

 

[Smar Mijou]

I moved over to Linux years ago. Slightly after the 2005 time frame that someone else mentioned so I pretty much ignore the Windows users and their griping. Except to troll them and laugh. Linux is astonishingly easy to use provided you don't need some obscure setup or literally hardware that's less than 6 months old.

Yup, totally obscure things that only a select few Windows users would ever need such as Microsoft Office, Excel, Word, virtually ANY Adobe software, MSDos, etc.... and I'm talking about running this stuff natively, not through a VM or Dosbox or Wine or some sort of autistic Linux equivalent that may or may not work depending on the day of the week, what distro you have, the weather in Seattle at that moment, or if an unrelated arbitrary update randomly bricked your drivers for some reason... because Linux.


Also, big F in the chat. The last Extended Security Update for Windows 7 was January 10 of this year. After that Microsoft has officially discontinued all legacy support for Windows 7.

 

[ZMOT]

Halo 2 was one of the early flagship titles that used GFWL and they fucking encrypt your save files. I just cannot fathom what the rationale for that idea was.

achievements and MUH GAMERSCORE. no I'm not kidding. consoles also tend to do it to prevent anyone being able to break out of their walled garden. GFWL was microsoft trying to bring xbox onto the PC (they were even thinking about xbox live and shit till everyone told them in very nice words to fuck off and eat a dick) hence the same "features", see xinput. after that ms pretty much abandoned GWFL till they finally dropped it officially years later, leaving loads of games in the dust unless publishers were willing to spend money on fixing years old games.

Linux works well when it works, but when it shits itself it shits itself so hard you have to reinstall your entire OS, something I haven't experienced in Windows since XP

lol
lmao

good luck trying to figure out what "something happened : ( " means. event log? too bad, gone with crash. and even if you do have some clue, actually fixing it requires wading through pages upon pages of rajesh "john" telling you do run sfc /scannow - and you better hope that shit actually works, otherwise you're SOL.

I also don't need to point out that any of this is way above the average user where a simple refresh or rolling back a restoration point (better hope you have one, and better hope it actually works) is simply faster and easier. linux is way less retarded when it comes to get it running again, or even figure out what's actually wrong, and even a re-install doesn't mean you have to start from scratch.

I think the most jarring jump was XP to Vista performance wise. There's a reason that's considered one of the biggest tech failures of all time. Then they followed it up with IMO the greatest operating system ever created, Windows 7. Just about the only bad thing I can say about the windows 7 experience is you can't make the terminal full screen.

I find a lot of older machines still play pretty nice with Windows 10 as long as you're not using a mechanical spinning hard drive.

because with vista microsoft pulled a windows ME again.
a) big changes under the hood that were only slowly adopted, leading to all kinds of compatibility issues if you wanted to keep using your hardware (so much for "30 years backwards compatibility").
b) bloat, even worse than usual and the opposite of a snappy XP. and since this was before SSDs, you really felt it. it became usable with SP1, but at that point the damage was done.
c) in their rush to get everyone onto vista ASAP, microsoft was very generous with their "windows vista ready" stickers, including prebuilts with 1gb ram. add the mentioned bloat and you could enjoy constant swapping.

and yeah, windows 10 is peak microsoft where optimization is non-existent, "just buy a SSD"...

 

[Aidan]

Yup, totally obscure things that only a select few Windows users would ever need such as Microsoft Office, Excel, Word, virtually ANY Adobe software, MSDos, etc.... and I'm talking about running this stuff natively, not through a VM or Dosbox or Wine or some sort of autistic Linux equivalent that may or may not work depending on the day of the week, what distro you have, the weather in Seattle at that moment, or if an unrelated arbitrary update randomly bricked your drivers for some reason... because Linux.


Also, big F in the chat. The last Extended Security Update for Windows 7 was January 10 of this year. After that Microsoft has officially discontinued all legacy support for Windows 7.

The MS Office suite is accessible from the browser now, though it's not full featured last I checked. Worth keeping in mind that a lot of people have shifted to iwork and Google which are both available in the browser. If you're not a privacy schizo like me then there's a lot of convenience to be had using them that way.

Adobe is fair but most people only use Adobe Acrobat for modifying PDFs. Not sure why you'd bring up MSDOS.

The Linux equivalents work fine every day of the week regardless of distro but I'm not going to pretend they are on par for most user expectations. Updates breaking things is more on the distro and I find stable distros are far more stable than Windows. That said, outside of work I haven't used Windows since Windows 7 so maybe things have changed but I doubt it.

F for Windows 7

 

[Pissmaster]

Windows has an untold number of issues relating to getting audio to work consistently on anything beyond the most basic of inbuilt speakers, not helped at all by the decades of asinine manufacturers layering their garbage on top.

I've never had a single one of these issues and I've used USB speakers for years

You can have your setup working fine then you install something with it's own audio shit and suddenly you're screwed and have to uninstall it and reinstall drivers.

Why would you ever install some manufacturer's own audio software? Why would there be any audio software ever nowadays? There hasn't been a need for anything like that since sound cards died over 20 years ago.

Just vidya installs can still trigger this kind of thing.

I've installed countless games and never had one break the sound. Sounds like you installed shitware that screwed your machine up.

 

[Desu Mountain]

I've installed countless games and never had one break the sound. Sounds like you installed shitware that screwed your machine up.

No, he just forgot to install Realtek drivers. I know that feel because I've felt that feel. Strange and terrible things happen when you use Realtek products and forget to install their drivers.

 

[Nod Flenders]

I had to get a new laptop as my old one broke. Was forced onto Windows 11. Let me tell you. Windows 11 is not good.

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

Why would you ever install some manufacturer's own audio software? Why would there be any audio software ever nowadays? There hasn't been a need for anything like that since sound cards died over 20 years ago.

Because of jack detection on Realtek. Work unironically uses 1809 LTSC on all the desktops and getting 3.5mm headphones to work properly is an absolute nightmare. In the end I had to manually install this zipped version of the modern Realtek Audio Control application via Add-AppxPackage and open it once so I could tick the stupid box that fixes jack detection. Et voilà all issues resolved!

https://github.com/pal1000/Realtek-UAD-generic

Normies can just install the modern Realtek CP via the Store and the driver would probably attempt to trigger this so they don't get confused. Having to manually install offline bundles of UWP applications on the advice of dodgy forum posts is one of the special joys of being an LTSC user and it's why I'm far more reticent to recommend it than some.

 

[King Vidiot]

I went and downloaded what seemed to be the most active torrent on Pirate Bay for LTSC..... all the instructions and the USB creator tool are in Russian. Yeah no, don't trust that shit.

I think the Pirate Bay has been a honeypot for years at this point. I don't trust any of their torrents anymore.

The ISO download at https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_20211210 appears to be a legit unmodified image of the LTSC install media. I got the link from this post.

 

[Samuel Hyde]

Oh, more Linux fanfiction like "Wine isn't an enormous pain in the ass that doesn't work as often as it does" and "FOSS replacements are just as good". Wonderful.

You do realize that you do more damage to your cause than good by lying to people about this stuff, right?

This just reads like an enormous cope to me. You can just say "I don't know how to do basic tasks in Linux" without using half the space you just did. Honestly I am thrilled that Linux filters non-technical users, its a bug not a feature. I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't want you to use the operating system.

>But muh wine
Lurk more. You're in a tech forum.

Yup, totally obscure things that only a select few Windows users would ever need such as Microsoft Office, Excel, Word, virtually ANY Adobe software, MSDos, etc.... and I'm talking about running this stuff natively, not through a VM or Dosbox or Wine or some sort of autistic Linux equivalent that may or may not work depending on the day of the week, what distro you have, the weather in Seattle at that moment, or if an unrelated arbitrary update randomly bricked your drivers for some reason... because Linux.


Also, big F in the chat. The last Extended Security Update for Windows 7 was January 10 of this year. After that Microsoft has officially discontinued all legacy support for Windows 7.

Same response as above. If you can't read far enough to where I said "Hardware not software" you're just unable to use the machine period and everything has to be spoon fed to you regardless of compatibility. Nobody told you to enjoy your choices. People said your choices are Linux or upgrade Windows.

Go back to your Windows ghetto. Honestly the entitlement from morons like yourselves is astonishing and the single reason why nobody and I mean nobody is interested in helping you fix your problems.

>100% free to use operating system
>Mostly free to modify (some VERY small exceptions with DRM)
>Has financial and technical support from the likes of IBM, Intel, and Google
>Compatible with virtually every x86 (HARDWARE) based system on Earth
>Has multiple free options for virtualization such as VitualBox and QEMU
>Has free options for emulation like WINE
>Has multiple free replacements for existing software - i.e. Krita instead of GIMP

All you've been told to do in exchange for this is Read The Fucking Manual. But that's too much for you to do clearly from your post. So I will reference my first post in this thread

I've learned that most people are just going to complain and then cuck out at the last second and give MicroShaft their money.

Congrats, cucks. I called it. I said this in literally my first post in this thread. You're never going to do anything about your problems except complain more. For anyone left thinking "This is all Linux needs to be adopted on the desktop", "2023 is the year of Linux on the desktop", just try dealing with these people for more than 30 minutes.

There's some proprietary software that only works properly on Windows and open source equivalents either don't exist or are trash.

That's a fair justification for using Windows. I understand there's lots of, for example, lab computers and industrial computers that run software with only one vendor supplying the software and you need to buy them in a bundle as a turnkey solution. But people in this thread a belly aching about Adobe Photoshop or some similar application. But like I said, I've given up on people using Linux for desktop and honestly I don't want your average Linux Tech Tips user entering the platform and trying to "improve" the platform for normies while making serious work more tedious

 

[A-Stump]

So I don't know if this is a very strange coincidences or not but...when I last rebooted my PC it tried going to the 'upgrade to 11 page now please I'll suck your dick!' except my mouse was disabled. My keyboard was disabled. That is to say except for 'Enter' which brought me to the confirmation page where I'd get 11.

I rebooted again in safe mode (weird...my keyboard seemed just fine before it got to the Windows 11 update thing) and opted out of the Windows shit...again....

Microsoft is up to some reaallll fucky shit

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Spoiler: snip

This just reads like an enormous cope to me. You can just say "I don't know how to do basic tasks in Linux" without using half the space you just did. Honestly I am thrilled that Linux filters non-technical users, its a bug not a feature. I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't want you to use the operating system.

>But muh wine
Lurk more. You're in a tech forum.


Same response as above. If you can't read far enough to where I said "Hardware not software" you're just unable to use the machine period and everything has to be spoon fed to you regardless of compatibility. Nobody told you to enjoy your choices. People said your choices are Linux or upgrade Windows.

Go back to your Windows ghetto. Honestly the entitlement from morons like yourselves is astonishing and the single reason why nobody and I mean nobody is interested in helping you fix your problems.

>100% free to use operating system
>Mostly free to modify (some VERY small exceptions with DRM)
>Has financial and technical support from the likes of IBM, Intel, and Google
>Compatible with virtually every x86 (HARDWARE) based system on Earth
>Has multiple free options for virtualization such as VitualBox and QEMU
>Has free options for emulation like WINE
>Has multiple free replacements for existing software - i.e. Krita instead of GIMP

All you've been told to do in exchange for this is Read The Fucking Manual. But that's too much for you to do clearly from your post. So I will reference my first post in this thread


Congrats, cucks. I called it. I said this in literally my first post in this thread. You're never going to do anything about your problems except complain more. For anyone left thinking "This is all Linux needs to be adopted on the desktop", "2023 is the year of Linux on the desktop", just try dealing with these people for more than 30 minutes.


That's a fair justification for using Windows. I understand there's lots of, for example, lab computers and industrial computers that run software with only one vendor supplying the software and you need to buy them in a bundle as a turnkey solution. But people in this thread a belly aching about Adobe Photoshop or some similar application. But like I said, I've given up on people using Linux for desktop and honestly I don't want your average Linux Tech Tips user entering the platform and trying to "improve" the platform for normies while making serious work more tedious

All these tophats for telling the truth to windows users who argue how bad linux is when they obviously don't use it, as evidenced by the fact they don't bother doing even the most basic research. It's always the same regurgitated points straight out of the year 2000, muh common hardware no work, muh wifi no work, muh games no supporterino, muh photoshop. It's as if they can't comprehend the idea of an operating system evolving and improving over time.

We aren't on reddit here, nobody actually cares if you use linux or not, do whatever you want. But these retarded takes about how linux is completely unusable in 2023 and how you must be a deluded autist if you just want an alternative to taking win11 cock up your ass are laughable and misinformed. This kind of mentality and encouraging people to just give up and bend over is why windows keeps getting worse and will stay on that trajectory.