Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[TheAntiCoomer]

It's only a national embarrassment if you actually lose the war, like how America lost the war in Afghanistan. Or how America lost the war in Iraq. Or how America is currently losing the war in Syria. [laughs in Assad]

Speaking of a national embarrassment, remember when a clown became president, and turned everything into a circus?

How did we lose in Iraq? We killed Saddam and established a puppet regime. How did we lose in Syria? we destroyed ISIS. How did we lose Afghanistan? Did we not assblast afghanis for 20 years and then got tired of it and called it a day?

How is Russia not losing this war? They've lost at least 40k dead Russians, they've locked themselves out of influence in Europe and they still haven't gained all the much since the initial assault. They are now coping and seething as they watch Ukraine dance for money like a stripper, all while dreaming about maybe one day taking some tiny Ukrainian village that they got a thousand men killed for, so that they can take another Ukrainian village while losing another unspeakable amount of lives.

 

[The Ugly One]

Some stats from iraq- 4th largest military in the world, 4000 tanks and soviet fighter jets. Massive amounts of SAMs too, 1 million men in the field. All of this was wrecked by America and crew.

Some stats from Ukraine, less than 300 thousand, 2500 tanks and soviet era equipment- from 30 years ago. Still loaded with SAMs, but a modern army should be able to destroy enough of them to be able to use planes. Not to mention, Ukraine shares a border with Russia that is massive, and they have also attacked from Belrus, so they should have had some way of exploiting a weakness in the frontline by now.

Russia doesn't have F-22s, and Ukraine has modern NATO AA systems. Expecting SU-27s to fare as well against S-300s as F-22s did against Strela systems from the 1970s is pants-on-head retarded.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

How did we lose in Iraq? We killed Saddam and established a puppet regime. How did we lose in Syria? we destroyed ISIS. How did we lose Afghanistan? Did we not assblast afghanis for 20 years and then got tired of it and called it a day?

How is Russia not losing this war? They've lost at least 40k dead Russians, they've locked themselves out of influence in Europe and they still haven't gained all the much since the initial assault. They are now coping and seething as they watch Ukraine dance for money like a stripper, all while dreaming about maybe one day taking some tiny Ukrainian village that they got a thousand men killed for, so that they can take another Ukrainian village while losing another unspeakable amount of lives.

Are you saying that America finally found those Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, got rid of the Islamist threat in the region, found the Iraqis responsible for 9/11, and installed a stable pro-western government in Iraq? Sounds like a big happening, surprised no one posted a thread about it yet.

So when is the next Pride March in Baghdad, then?

 

[Rubick]

I mean iraq 1991 was no slouch, we kicked their ass pretty hard. Even if Ukraine was given the best equipment in the world (they aren't), Russia should have won this war by now if they were as powerful as everyone's hyped them up to be. What kind of country can't even get uncontested air control. Certainly not anyone with an actual army should be afraid of.

Again read Arabs at war. Iraq's army was a joke. And it was even worse after Americans trained them. Because they utterly got curb stomped by ISIS. Also Ukrainian air defence is miles better then that of Iraq for one.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Did we not assblast afghanis for 20 years and then got tired of it and called it a day?

LMAO. Oh man. That's what you call that absolute embarrassment of a retreat from Afghanistan? You know, the one where we gave up huge stockpiles of perfectly functional equipment and even US citizens? Complete with helicopter rooftop evac Vietnam-style?

Oh yeah, just "got tired and took our ball home"

This is either trolling or some mega cope.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Afghanistan was much more successful than this, we captured the important parts of the country quickly and had low causalities. Aside from some low intensity fighting, nothing much happened until we packed up and our puppet state decided to just not fight.

This isn't true at all. The US was losing territory for a decade before it left.

 

[kuuu]

Perfect time to post this:

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Holy shit actually defending the disgusting money pits of Iraq and Afghanistan that threw away thousands of young men for a shitty puppet state and Vietnam style running away to own the Vatniks. Crazy.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

German politicians will have to explain to their population how their greatest ally deliberately destroyed their economy, wrecked their heavy industry and threw millions out of work. Sucks to be them.

Being an Americandan client state has no benefits...

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Being an Americandan client state has no benefits...

Hey, it all depends on how much you like black people, goyslop, and faggotry.

Speaking of that last thing... Europeans, take note.

"Europeans should understand that when they help us, they help themselves" - Zelensky

AZgeopolitics🛰🌏🌍🌎

🇪🇺🇺🇦"Europeans should understand that when they help us, they help themselves" - Zelensky

t.me

Also, the bill is up to $120 billion now. NO. REFUNDS.

"NATO countries have already transferred all kinds of assistance to Ukraine around $ 120 billion in military,humanitarian and financial assistance." - Jens "we are not party to the conflict in Ukraine" Stoltenberg

AZgeopolitics🛰🌏🌍🌎

🇺🇸🇪🇺💵🇺🇦🇷🇺"NATO countries have already transferred all kinds of assistance to Ukraine around $ 120 billion in military,humanitarian and financial assistance." - Jens "we are not party to the conflict in Ukraine" Stoltenberg

t.me

 

[Fatniggo1488]

How did we lose in Iraq? We killed Saddam and established a puppet regime. How did we lose in Syria? we destroyed ISIS. How did we lose Afghanistan? Did we not assblast afghanis for 20 years and then got tired of it and called it a day?

How is Russia not losing this war? They've lost at least 40k dead Russians, they've locked themselves out of influence in Europe and they still haven't gained all the much since the initial assault. They are now coping and seething as they watch Ukraine dance for money like a stripper, all while dreaming about maybe one day taking some tiny Ukrainian village that they got a thousand men killed for, so that they can take another Ukrainian village while losing another unspeakable amount of lives.

>How did we lose in Iraq? We killed Saddam and established a puppet regime
Which is collapsing.
>How did we lose in Syria? we destroyed ISIS
The US contributed basically nothing to the fight against ISIS and was more beneficial to ISIS than anything since it pumped money into the FSA which directly supported ISIS.
>How did we lose Afghanistan?

 

[The Ugly One]

How did we lose in Syria?

The win condition in Syria was overthrowing Assad and establishing an Islamic dictatorship led by Al Qaeda a Jeffersonian democracy of moderate rebels. We lost.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Perfect time to post this:
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The French defeated Germany in 1918. A little under 22 years later they got their shit pushed in by Germany.

But hey that victory the US had 32 years ago must mean they are still super strong!

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

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Considering the USAF is still the largest Airforce in the world (and that's not even counting aircraft under the Navy) this chart is kinda irrelevant.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

I don't get the lionizing the Iraqis get as if looked at by any measure outside of just numbers their military was quite shit and cheap. The vast majority of their tanks were not, at the time, modern T72s but were primarily T55s and T62s, mostly un-upgraded ones at that. The small amounts of T72s they had were also mostly un-upgraded aka basically stock from the factory. Body armor was virtually non-existent too though you could argue that some units in the coallition didn't have wide spread body armor either.

The absolute biggest factor however was that Saddam had been conducting officer purges for god knows how long. No competent officers = promotion of people outside of their competency = shit training and doctrine = your morale get insantly broken on first contact.

It trully was lightning in a bottle and people really need to stop using it as a measuring stick for anything.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Considering the USAF is still the largest Airforce in the world (and that's not even counting aircraft under the Navy) this chart is kinda irrelevant.

The point is the US military today is not the force is was during the Gulf War. The US does not have the inventory to pull off another desert storm.

If you really want to compare Air Forces, here is a fun comparison of combat types, ie. bombers, attack, fighters and multirole

PLAAF = 2606
PLANAF = 361
Total Chinese combat aircraft in active service = 2967

USAF = 2337
USN = 592
USMC = 268
Total American combat aircraft in active service = 3197

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Besides some obvious politically engaged users, a lot of people here seem to think that this is 4chan.

A lot of people here seem to think this is reddit and try to make it a feels good hugbox. When it comes to war, any war, people will have different opinions. That doesn't make this 4chan or the Daily Mail comment section.

In a thread about happenings, there may be information and video not to your liking. As an adult you can offer evidence to the contrary, with your own video and sources; otherwise, you are expected to refrain from calling people names. Having a different opinion is not "4chan" behavior.

Those "How can you support X, they are evil because Y happened 50 years ago" and nothing else posts are a good example as they are intended to derail threads not to the poster's liking.

OK onto the news:

Case in point: the video contains disturbing footage of a war crime

Scary footage: Ukrainian Nazis murdered Russian prisoners of war again.
The world needs to know the truth about the war crimes of Kiev's militants.

Spoiler: Caution-war crime and execution

Sorces: https://t.me/c/1567469683/751226, https://t.me/RVvoenkor/37859

 

[870EVO]

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1623382074777538563

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

The point is the US military today is not the force is was during the Gulf War. The US does not have the inventory to pull off another desert storm.

If you really want to compare Air Forces, here is a fun comparison of combat types, ie. bombers, attack, fighters and multirole

PLAAF = 2606
PLANAF = 361
Total Chinese combat aircraft in active service = 2967

USAF = 2337
USN = 592
USMC = 268
Total American combat aircraft in active service = 3197

The bigger, unspoken issue is the amount of aircraft relegated to SEAD duties. I think in Gulf war I and Yugoslavia it was 45-50%+ of all combat missions.
In a near-peer adversary conflict (because Yugoslavia and Iraq are not even close to "peers") like Russia-Ukraine, there's absolutely no fucking way that number doesn't jump even higher. Now you stress everyone out because you've got to run CAP+SEAD at higher rates.

Of course, this is assuming the PLA isn't completely retarded, they may very well be.

 

[Kiwi Sneed Snake]

They got literally a handful of top end equipment such as MiG 21s and and top shelf SAMs. I mean shit, the USS New Jersey was able to sit offshore with impunity and the most the NVA could hope to fire back was field artillery lmao. The SAMs ran out after a single concentrated US bombing campaign.

So no, the NVA were out of good shit almost instantly and had to be really selective when they used it. There's a reason they could only really roll once we withdrew air support. Ukraine is operating on a much more level playing field, especially considering the limited initial Russian deployment.

That's not actually true at all. US aircraft suffered massively during the Vietnam war, the perils of heliborne and close in CAS operations.

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Over 11,000 aircraft is not an insignificant amount to loss (nearly half of all helicopters in theatre).
They hardly ran out of "all the good shit" almost instantly, they shot down US planes like fly's for basically 6 years and these are America's numbers on losses....

Also the North Vietnamese air force had an incredible amount of air aces, those mig21's got really fed up of shooting down F4's and F105's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

As much as people like to ape on the Russian air force they certainly haven't lost that many planes in Ukraine even if the war theoretically went on for 6 years, and remember the only plane to shoot down an F18 was an old Mig 25 Foxbat (lovely looking plane).

Iraqi MiG-25 Foxbat Pilot explains how he was able to shoot down Lt Cdr Speicher’s F/A-18 Hornet the first night of Operation Desert Storm - The Aviation Geek Club

Iraqi MiG-25 Foxbat Pilot explains how he was able to shoot down Lt Cdr Speicher’s F/A-18 Hornet the first night of Operation Desert Storm

theaviationgeekclub.com

Sorry for using wiki as the reference it was just the fastest source but many other places cover the info.
Do some research on past wars before spouting misinformation for those not in the know.