RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

I don't think this episode counts as mid. Sure by the standards of RWBY maybe but by any other standard it was bad.
Yeah it was definitely weaker than mid. Even some of the worst episodes of the show previously had something of note. Either we see some character we have only heard about, learn something new about a character, have a fight sequence, something.

This was seventeen minutes of characters bumbling around and glossing over interactions you'd actually want to see in a nonsense land that has no reason to pop into existence nine seasons into a show.

I couldn't get over how ridiculous the voice acting was. And the dialogue was genuinely awful, poorly written and borderline nonsensical. I was stunned to see this was a Kerry episode because he has written some of the better material in the previous seasons. I guess all that alcoholism is finally catching up to him.
 
Yeah it was definitely weaker than mid. Even some of the worst episodes of the show previously had something of note. Either we see some character we have only heard about, learn something new about a character, have a fight sequence, something.

This was seventeen minutes of characters bumbling around and glossing over interactions you'd actually want to see in a nonsense land that has no reason to pop into existence nine seasons into a show.

I couldn't get over how ridiculous the voice acting was. And the dialogue was genuinely awful, poorly written and borderline nonsensical. I was stunned to see this was a Kerry episode because he has written some of the better material in the previous seasons. I guess all that alcoholism is finally catching up to him.
Honestly I think the show has been so bad in so many different ways for so long that we've probably become numb to it. It's an old dog with no new tricks and we've grown accustomed to all of the various different ways it sucks, until it wows us with new depths of retardation it'll remain boring.
 
Wtf? I don’t watch rwby at all but never in my life have i seen a show do a whole season that is Fucking filler. Or maybe I’m reading too far into this but that’s what i took outta this.
https://youtu.be/fz65aEidwY4
Every volume up to this one, I've been excited for it. When they showed Crescent Rose stuck in orange mobile game beach at the end of V8, I was like, seriously? The cast is finally going to Vacuo, Emerald and Weiss's family have joined the "good" guys, and the writers decided to take a break from the actual plot to have our main characters fuck around in Great Value Wonderland? I feel like that kinda opened my eyes to the other problems in the show. And yet it still took them two years to release an entire volume of filler, that somehow looks worse than the Poser era.
Hand over the MATI ratings please.
 
Wtf? I don’t watch rwby at all but never in my life have i seen a show do a whole season that is Fucking “”filler””. Or maybe I’m reading too far into this but that’s what i took outta this.
https://youtu.be/fz65aEidwY4
It's pretty common for Anime to do "filler" arcs.

That said - there is usually a reason for it. Most commonly it happens when a TV show is based on a Manga that isn't finished yet and "catches up" or when a really long arc ends and they want to reset the setting before going onto the next big arc. The main "draw" is that filler arcs can be basically put anywhere in a story with minimal planning.

It is shocking that RWBY is just going raw into a filler season despite never actually completing anything that the show has setup yet - not even a single thing. It really shows how unorganized the show running/planning is that it took so long to even start to produce this.
 
It's pretty common for Anime to do "filler" arcs.

That said - there is usually a reason for it. Most commonly it happens when a TV show is based on a Manga that isn't finished yet and "catches up" or when a really long arc ends and they want to reset the setting before going onto the next big arc. The main "draw" is that filler arcs can be basically put anywhere in a story with minimal planning.

It is shocking that RWBY is just going raw into a filler season despite never actually completing anything that the show has setup yet - not even a single thing. It really shows how unorganized the show running/planning is that it took so long to even start to produce this.
Its also shocking that they are doing a filler season NOW of all times. Even two years ago when Volume 8 ended RT were in a desperate situation fighting for their survival as a company. Its far worse now and they decide that the only IP that has any kind of money making potential needs some shitty filler season that it never needed in the first place.

Its really mind boggling how stupid the concept is even on paper, let alone when it was put into practice.
 
Its also shocking that they are doing a filler season NOW of all times. Even two years ago when Volume 8 ended RT were in a desperate situation fighting for their survival as a company. Its far worse now and they decide that the only IP that has any kind of money making potential needs some shitty filler season that it never needed in the first place.
The worst part is that they didn't have much of a choice, it took them two years to push out this turd, it'd be even more painful for it to change direction halfway through the process.
Imagine getting to the dark turning point of your show where the whole world is ending and deciding to 'take a break' and 'really examine our characters' nine seasons into a fucking show.
You couldn't make something this bad on purpose if you tried. They're like Ed Wood but totally unlikable.
 
Seeing as this is only five minutes long, let's see what we got:
The host is Jack Patillo, voice of Junior in V1 and V2, and the Yellow trailer. The roundtable is Eddy, Barbara, Kerry, Lindsay, and Art Director Erin Winn.

-Kerry says that The idea for a tangible Alice in Wonderland themed place (which became the Ever After) first came about between V1 ad V2, and the idea was always for it to be between the fall of Atlas and what comes next. When CRWBY got to writing the end of V8, they still wanted to do it, but decided to do something "different".

-Eddy says that the idea of V7-V9 would culminate in a personal story for Team RWBY, and that the island could be a place to reset and get away from the main narrative and let Team RWBY have some time together. The panel agrees the idea is "extreme visuals, simple themes".

-Kerry says that before writing them, CRWBY knew V7 and V8 would be a low point and a lot and V9 would be a breather and a way to do something different. He adds that it can be hard to do character driven things when the world is ending , and wondered how to take away that threat, at least temporarily, and the Ever After is a way to address those things and balance things. Eddy says that CRWBY wanted time for Team RWBY to press pause with themselves and try to figure things out, and that it'd be hard to do that with everyone still on Remnant.

-Lindsay says from an acting standpoint, she likes how Ruby attempted escapism, or at least getting away from all the chaos of the world by pressing pause with Jinn in V6, and now that gets to be experienced in a bigger world that allows you to divulge into your feelings, such as rain coming down when you cry. Kerry says maybe that they'll get into some feelings.

-Eddy says that it felt good to get pretty meta by having the characters be in a fairy tale setting, and that V9 and the Ever After seemed like a pretty appropriate place to do that, with Barbara that fairy tales have been such a core of RWBY adding how all the characters and plotlines were inspired by stories like mythology and storybook characters, so that to dive into the fairy tale atmosphere is really cool for the volume.

-Kerry says that for the ninth volume, CRWBY wanted to take a look at the series themselves and look at the series and the characters and the world, and do a little commentary on those things, and with all that and the production going on during the pandemic, he thinks that this a volume everyone needs, and that feeling will become more clear as people watch.
 
Seeing as this is only five minutes long, let's see what we got:
The host is Jack Patillo, voice of Junior in V1 and V2, and the Yellow trailer. The roundtable is Eddy, Barbara, Kerry, Lindsay, and Art Director Erin Winn.

-Kerry says that The idea for a tangible Alice in Wonderland themed place (which became the Ever After) first came about between V1 ad V2, and the idea was always for it to be between the fall of Atlas and what comes next. When CRWBY got to writing the end of V8, they still wanted to do it, but decided to do something "different".

-Eddy says that the idea of V7-V9 would culminate in a personal story for Team RWBY, and that the island could be a place to reset and get away from the main narrative and let Team RWBY have some time together. The panel agrees the idea is "extreme visuals, simple themes".

-Kerry says that before writing them, CRWBY knew V7 and V8 would be a low point and a lot and V9 would be a breather and a way to do something different. He adds that it can be hard to do character driven things when the world is ending , and wondered how to take away that threat, at least temporarily, and the Ever After is a way to address those things and balance things. Eddy says that CRWBY wanted time for Team RWBY to press pause with themselves and try to figure things out, and that it'd be hard to do that with everyone still on Remnant.

-Lindsay says from an acting standpoint, she likes how Ruby attempted escapism, or at least getting away from all the chaos of the world by pressing pause with Jinn in V6, and now that gets to be experienced in a bigger world that allows you to divulge into your feelings, such as rain coming down when you cry. Kerry says maybe that they'll get into some feelings.

-Eddy says that it felt good to get pretty meta by having the characters be in a fairy tale setting, and that V9 and the Ever After seemed like a pretty appropriate place to do that, with Barbara that fairy tales have been such a core of RWBY adding how all the characters and plotlines were inspired by stories like mythology and storybook characters, so that to dive into the fairy tale atmosphere is really cool for the volume.

-Kerry says that for the ninth volume, CRWBY wanted to take a look at the series themselves and look at the series and the characters and the world, and do a little commentary on those things, and with all that and the production going on during the pandemic, he thinks that this a volume everyone needs, and that feeling will become more clear as people watch.
I don't doubt that Ever After is something Monty came up with, but this is not the time and place for a filler volume. Not in the show, and not during Rooster Teeth's rapidly approaching death.
 
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I don't doubt that Ever After is something Monty came up with, but this is not the time and place for a filler volume. Not in the show, and not during Rooster Teeth's rapidly approaching death.
But imagine if this is how RWBY goes out. The wettest of wet farts. It would be glorious and totally unrecoverable, effectively zero chance of a cult following within a decade of it's ultimate cancellation.
 
But imagine if this is how RWBY goes out. The wettest of wet farts. It would be glorious and totally unrecoverable, effectively zero chance of a cult following within a decade of it's ultimate cancellation.
Depending on how things go, I think there's a slim chance you could write the end of V9 in a way where you can just reboot the series.
 
Imagine getting to the dark turning point of your show where the whole world is ending and deciding to 'take a break' and 'really examine our characters' nine seasons into a fucking show.
Looks like someone is copying a certain Tumblrina's homework...

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-Kerry says that The idea for a tangible Alice in Wonderland themed place (which became the Ever After) first came about between V1 ad V2, and the idea was always for it to be between the fall of Atlas and what comes next. When CRWBY got to writing the end of V8, they still wanted to do it, but decided to do something "different".
Oh joy another one of Monty's brain farts that was stupid and rightfully never put into the story...only for them to put it back in at the worst possible time for their story.
-Eddy says that the idea of V7-V9 would culminate in a personal story for Team RWBY, and that the island could be a place to reset and get away from the main narrative and let Team RWBY have some time together. The panel agrees the idea is "extreme visuals, simple themes".
YOUR CHARACTERS LOW POINT IS NOT THE TIME TO "RESET" AND "GET AWAY FROM THE MAIN NARRATIVE" YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID!!

9 Volumes in is not the time to realize that your core team have spent no time with each other and have no actual chemistry. Even if it was, YOU CAN WRITE THE MAIN STORY AND HAVE THEM DEVELOP TOGETHER AS A TEAM!!! These two things TYPICALLY go together really well, they are not exclusive.
-Kerry says that before writing them, CRWBY knew V7 and V8 would be a low point and a lot and V9 would be a breather and a way to do something different. He adds that it can be hard to do character driven things when the world is ending , and wondered how to take away that threat, at least temporarily, and the Ever After is a way to address those things and balance things. Eddy says that CRWBY wanted time for Team RWBY to press pause with themselves and try to figure things out, and that it'd be hard to do that with everyone still on Remnant.
So you put yourself in a difficult writing situation you had neither the aptitude or desire to write with or around, so you decided to just cheat and press pause. How fucking lazy and stupid.
-Lindsay says from an acting standpoint, she likes how Ruby attempted escapism, or at least getting away from all the chaos of the world by pressing pause with Jinn in V6, and now that gets to be experienced in a bigger world that allows you to divulge into your feelings, such as rain coming down when you cry. Kerry says maybe that they'll get into some feelings.
The difference is that Ruby made that choice and it was one of the few smart things she has ever done. Here she was thrown into a magical abyss against her will for a filler season because the writers are bad at their jobs.
-Eddy says that it felt good to get pretty meta by having the characters be in a fairy tale setting, and that V9 and the Ever After seemed like a pretty appropriate place to do that, with Barbara that fairy tales have been such a core of RWBY adding how all the characters and plotlines were inspired by stories like mythology and storybook characters, so that to dive into the fairy tale atmosphere is really cool for the volume.
If this is what they consider "meta"...I mean I can only call them stupid so many times...right?
-Kerry says that for the ninth volume, CRWBY wanted to take a look at the series themselves and look at the series and the characters and the world, and do a little commentary on those things, and with all that and the production going on during the pandemic, he thinks that this a volume everyone needs, and that feeling will become more clear as people watch.
So you want to look at the characters and world by removing the characters from the world.....I can't anymore. I just can't.
 
-Eddy says that it felt good to get pretty meta by having the characters be in a fairy tale setting
I get this strong feeling this guy is a colossal faggot that thinks he's the most ingenious writer to exist. In reality, he's a reddit faggot writing trash while screaming "BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN? GO ON, ASK ME. IT'S SO DEEP."
 
I don't doubt that Ever After is something Monty came up with, but this is not the time and place for a filler volume. Not in the show, and not during Rooster Teeth's rapidly approaching death.
It probably, sadly, was the perfect time for a filler volume.

Not thematically of course - but from a production standpoint. It being "filler" means it's drastically easier to produce - less story boarding, less writing (and no major hooks into the previous or next seasons), easier art direction (with no need to tie into the larger RWBY art direction), and you can likely write/act/animate scenes out of order. You also don't really need to manage mistakes - you can canonically sweep it all under the rug of "it's a dream world/alternate reality".

You could even go so far (as some studios do) as to have a B team/outsource team do a lot of the heavy lifting on the filler arc and just have the A team finish it up - and the B team can churn out filler stuff while the A team is otherwise busy.

This might have been the best they could muster given how horrible RoosterTeeth has been doing in nearly all areas.
 
I think part of what makes this so bad is they're mapping seasons and tonal shifts and even arcs 1-to-1-to-1. This whole "take a breather" thing would be a lot less egregious if it wasn't going to be longer than Endless Eight, and it meant that the overarching story is basically Not Going To Progress this year.

They don't understand that the point of "filler" is to fill in gaps in an existing season. It's for when the source can be done in 20 episodes but you signed up for 26. The RWBY mindset is to stretch that source material out to 26 episodes, then stretch the six episodes of filler also out into 26 episodes.

If the Wonderland was an arc within a larger season - as in, it started after the season started and ended before the season ended - it'd be seen as an annoying bit of filler, but not a sin.

It's a case in point that one of the few arcs which generally get praise even among detractors is Apathy, because it's filler, sure, but it's self-contained, a change of pace, and wrapped up in two episodes.

It's like shipping a box with an important piece of equipment with absolutely no form of bracing or protection but plenty of room to rattle around in and then sending over a second box filled with nothing but packing peanuts.
 
He adds that it can be hard to do character driven things when the world is ending

Eddy says that CRWBY wanted time for Team RWBY to press pause with themselves and try to figure things out, and that it'd be hard to do that with everyone still on Remnant
It's only 'hard' because RT writers don't understand that you can tie the plot and character growth together instead of treating them like separate entities that have to take a backseat to one another. In fact, I would say that taking the main characters a safe distance away from the situation that acts as the catalyst for their character reflection actively hurts said attempts at reflection. Characters questioning their actions has much more weight when they're actively involved in the consequences of said actions rather than going on vacation until it resolves itself (because we all know that the writers are going to have all the issues posed by the Vacuo situation resolved by the time RWBY escape the Ever After).
 
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