RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[KID NAMED SCHWARMAPUNK]

is Cockmouth bankrupt yet?

 

[Chilson]

is Cockmouth bankrupt yet?

They are massively unprofitable. But they are subsidiary so they can't go bankrupt until their owner Otter Media, which itself is a subsidiary of Warner Media, goes under or cuts them loose or cuts them to pieces for scrap.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's that time again.

https://www2.kickassanime.ro/watch/rwby-volume-9-ep2-altercation-at-the-auspicious-auction

 

[Mega Black]

It's a case in point that one of the few arcs which generally get praise even among detractors is Apathy, because it's filler, sure, but it's self-contained, a change of pace, and wrapped up in two episodes.

Apathy actually served to develop the cast and their interactions with one another, and finally pushed Ruby into some level of understanding regarding her Deus ex eyeballs. It moved things forward, maybe only by an inch or two, but somewhere.

The rest of the volume was unforgivable shit filler though but that's an argument for another time.

I'd buy that this was the best RT could manage given all the internal struggling if this wasn't planned way back when they were planning V7-9. It reads more to me like they thought they had a blank check and all the time in the world because RWBY was the golden ticket holding the company together. Why not milk it out for a couple more seasons to give us some extra cash?

Oops, suddenly the new WB CEO has decided all animation must go and we are getting hung out to dry as an entire company! Fuck!

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

"This world is just like that famous fairy tale book we all read as children, it has the same characters and works on the same rules, the events that happened to us even unfolded exactly as it did in the fairy tale. We should use this information to guide us."

Weiss: "Pffft, like that could ever happen. I think you guys hit your head a little too hard. How insane do you have to be to think a fairy tale could be anything other than fiction?"

Weiss getting pelted by a rock was the best part of the episode.

 

[Random Internet Person]

"This world is just like that famous fairy tale book we all read as children, it has the same characters and works on the same rules, the events that happened to us even unfolded exactly as it did in the fairy tale. We should use this information to guide us."

Weiss: "Pffft, like that could ever happen. I think you guys hit your head a little too hard. How insane do you have to be to think a fairy tale could be anything other than fiction?"

Every group needs the skeptic when they have come across something that probably defies explanation, only to immediately be hit with the fact that yes it’s real. Weiss fits that role/trope/cliche here.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Every group needs the skeptic when they have come across something that probably defies explanation, only to immediately be hit with the fact that yes it’s real. Weiss fits that role/trope/cliche here.

The world they come from has literal magic, children with super powers, cat people, robots with souls, and magic dust.

Why would "a kid's book is real" be the unbelievable thing?

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Every group needs the skeptic when they have come across something that probably defies explanation, only to immediately be hit with the fact that yes it’s real. Weiss fits that role/trope/cliche here.

They just fell from a bridge between space created by an artefact from literal Gods that can defy the laws of reality to create almost anything, arriving in a world that isn't their own, rubbing elbows with talking animals who can turn emotion and concepts of knowledge into tangible objects to trade, has mind-fuck qualities and 1-to-1 matches the fairy-tale they all know very well and have already been told by Ozpin that a lot of Fairy Tales in Remnant were actual events that happened.

Yeah, no, Weiss is brain dead.

 

[Fishy Fish Fish]

Am I just deaf or is anyone else having a hard time making out the lyrics to the OP? Yes, I'm listening to it again for some reason, because I want to work out what inspires this fucking primal discomfort. Oh, lol, Casey composed it. The beginning and end sound particularly like a kid going up and down all the notes on an instrument just because, and the whole thing is like she wants to fill her dad's shoes so badly. I always thought that while she was perfectly on pitch, she just doesn't have a pleasant voice for singing, guess her compositions are the same. This time it's not just her voice, it's like they insisted on mixing her already-congested vocals to make them compressed enough that it gets lost in the wall of guitars. Having actually looked up the lyrics it just reminds me that they should really stop describing Ruby as if she's so tortured. It's like the monkey's paw curled on the old fanbase's wishes when a lot of people wanted emo-kuudere Ruby like they thought she would be from the original Red trailer.

By the way, if there's anyone in here still wishing for 'RWBY but better', the closest I can think of in game form is Code Vein. Play that, get it on sale. It's not a masterpiece but the story is solid and the designs are like a darker, bloodier V1-V3 RWBY but with vampires and blood instead of semblances and dust.

Spoiler: it's been said before

I know very little about music, but RWBY's has been pretty bad. The rhymes are bad, as in they don't make sense grammatically, the lyrics in the songs never make sense, and the tone is often angry when it shouldn't be. Red Like Roses part 2 implies that Ruby is terrified and upset when her mother dies, but it's never shown, because Summer died when Ruby was very young, and Ruby has an optimistic outlook on life regardless. Several of Weiss's songs refer to her being lonely, alright, but that's not what's being shown, because Weiss has her mom, Winter, and Klein at home, and her friends at Beacon. From Shadows is more of an Adam song, because Blake has experienced very little discrimination, let's be real. Be Strong and Hit Stuff references scars, but the show has revealed very little about what Nora and Ren have been through between Kuroyuri and and Beacon. It also references mistakes and redemption (literally what has Nora done?). She wasn't even involved in making the decision to destroy Atlas.
As for Casey's actual singing... I'd say her forte is slower songs. I'd say she genuinely sounds very nice in songs like Red Like Roses part 1, Mirror Mirror, Gold, Wings, and "ship" songs (Boop, BMBLB, etc.) Jeff's boner for making buttmetal like he's gonna replace Metallica has definitely taken a toll on her voice lol. She'll probably have a consistent smoker voice by 30.

 

[brocktherock]

Sorry in advance for the double post but don't do this, that game is a pretty mediocre Soulslike and you'd be better off watching a full play of it.

Yeah that’s why I said people should get it on sale, I mean if they still want RWBY in 2023 then Code Vein is more than enough to satisfy them, especially visually. I love Dark Souls and to call CV a Soulslike just because it has a stamina bar was always a really weak comparison, but the game is by no means bad. I have my criticisms of it but lol it is still in a whole other league to this show.

I can’t believe after all the things RWBY have been through, including getting redpilled on magic and seeing two people turn into birds, that Weiss can’t believe they’re in a book come to life or whatever. This tone change also sucks because RWBY was never great at comedy either, it would be funnier if they doubled down on the edge and made Ruby start off a new Volume with a manifesto like the guy from Hatred.

 

[Random Internet Person]

it would be funnier if they doubled down on the edge and made Ruby start off a new Volume with a manifesto like the guy from Hatred.

Honestly, I'm not sure if that would be funny. Honestly, IMO it'd probably come across as another jarring tone shift and probably be seen as "oh wow, RWBY is trying way too hard to be Berserk. Or Dark Souls. Or Bloodborne." Also, the show had a time to do that and it was V3 going into V4. And that didn't happen.

 

[brocktherock]

Honestly, I'm not sure if that would be funny.
Honestly, IMO it'd probably come across as another jarring tone shift and probably be seen as "oh wow, RWBY is trying way too hard to be Berserk. Or Dark Souls. Or Bloodborne."

That’s exactly what would be funny, if they tried again to give RWBY some “direction” only to explosively fuck it up a second (third, fourth) time. Sure beats the team clowning around while Ruby mopes on the island.

Also this marks the second episode into V9 where a former action show spends even more of its runtime on talking heads.

 

[Random Internet Person]

That’s exactly what would be funny, if they tried again to give RWBY some “direction” only to explosively fuck it up a second (third, fourth) time. Sure beats the team clowning around while Ruby mopes on the island.

I mean, there’s always the final showdown with Salem/Cinder for that shift to try and happen. Only with more stupidity and bullshit.

Also this marks the second episode into V9 where a former action show spends even more of its runtime on talking heads.

Second. Out of ten. And we haven’t seen the volume’s designated antagonist yet.

 

[Chilson]

I feel people are also missing that they have also changed direction from where they wanted to go at the end of volume 8. They set it up like team RWBY is going to be split up again like volume 4/5, and if they must do some bullshit introspective "character building" shit then isolating your characters with their own thoughts on an alien plane of existence is a pretty good way of doing it (we have discussed extensively why this doesn't work at this stage in the story and there are far better ways to do what they are trying to do, but I am ignoring that for the sake of the argument).

But they have completely abandoned that idea and just put Team RWBY back together almost instantly. Having them together really only hurts this more internal introspection for the characters since they are no longer able to truly grapple with themselves alone to give the audience a look into who they are and how the characters grapple with coming to the revelation of who they are and subsequently what they want to be.

Its incredible how consistently and colossally they fail with each and every writing decision. I can't imagine intentionally writing something this badly, its the type of awful that only true born in the genes hacks can achieve.

 

[Fishy Fish Fish]

I mean, there’s always the final showdown with Salem/Cinder for that shift to try and happen. Only with more stupidity and bullshit.


Second. Out of ten. And we haven’t seen the volume’s designated antagonist yet.

Cinder as a villain has long overstayed her welcome. Her kill count is high, and she's cheated death so much, the fandom fucking hates her. The blatent Cinderella backstory they gave her (8 seasons into HER BEING AN IMPORTANT VILLAIN) didn't rouse sympathy for her, because it was lazy. Watts, being based and redpilled even told her that it didn't excuse her being power hungry and void of any other personality traits later in the volume.
Her not having depth didn't really matter in the first three volumes, since the show itself wasn't trying to be deep and whatnot, she was just the smexy big boss. In the later volumes, she just becomes a generic crazy bitch with awful designs lol.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Her kill count is high, and she's cheated death so much, the fandom fucking hates her.

Which in any other show would make her an excellent villain, but this is the weirdo whacko world of RWBY where even being a great villain can't save you from being obnoxious and poorly written.

Her not having depth didn't really matter in the first three volumes, since the show itself wasn't trying to be deep and whatnot, she was just the smexy big boss.

You know honestly if that's all she ever was then it would be fine, making her middle management for Rita Repulsa is really what ruined her since it necessitated her becoming more than just an incredibly dangerous and threatening adversary for our heroes to defeat.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Cinder as a villain has long overstayed her welcome. Her kill count is high, and she's cheated death so much, the fandom fucking hates her. The blatent Cinderella backstory they gave her (8 seasons into HER BEING AN IMPORTANT VILLAIN) didn't rouse sympathy for her, because it was lazy. Watts, being based and redpilled even told her that it didn't excuse her being power hungry and void of any other personality traits later in the volume.
Her not having depth didn't really matter in the first three volumes, since the show itself wasn't trying to be deep and whatnot, she was just the smexy big boss. In the later volumes, she just becomes a generic crazy bitch with awful designs lol.

It's also much worse because they don't really explore her relationship with Salem at all - why Salem tolerates her frequent nonsense and is (hopefully) anticipating the extremely predictable incoming betrayal.

It's not even lowkey like a plot - Cinder is just frequently an asshole to Salem (the allegedly all powerful) right to her face.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Cinder as a villain has long overstayed her welcome. Her kill count is high, and she's cheated death so much, the fandom fucking hates her. The blatent Cinderella backstory they gave her (8 seasons into HER BEING AN IMPORTANT VILLAIN) didn't rouse sympathy for her, because it was lazy. Watts, being based and redpilled even told her that it didn't excuse her being power hungry and void of any other personality traits later in the volume.
Her not having depth didn't really matter in the first three volumes, since the show itself wasn't trying to be deep and whatnot, she was just the smexy big boss. In the later volumes, she just becomes a generic crazy bitch with awful designs lol.

Cinder is basically a discount Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender. Her kill count is high because the plot says she has to kill , and her death cheating happens because the plot says she lives. There’s nothing really impressive to her these days, and probably hasn’t been since V5. She’s very one note, poorly handled, and is probably the pinnacle of the writers not knowing what to do because they’re so out of their depth.

You know honestly if that's all she ever was then it would be fine, making her middle management for Rita Repulsa is really what ruined her since it necessitated her becoming more than just an incredibly dangerous and threatening adversary for our heroes to defeat.

Honestly, she went from the main advertised villain, complete with lackeys, to the lackey of the main villain, to the main villain’s right hand, to what I think is an attempt at Starscream from Transformers.

Honestly, I think you could argue Kylo Ren is a better villain that Cinder Fall at this point.

It's also much worse because they don't really explore her relationship with Salem at all - why Salem tolerates her frequent nonsense and is (hopefully) anticipating the extremely predictable incoming betrayal.

It's not even lowkey like a plot - Cinder is just frequently an asshole to Salem (the allegedly all powerful) right to her face.

It’s like they want Cinder and Salem to have something Darth Vader and Palpatine, or more specifically Azula and Ozai, but it’s probably looking more like Starscream and Megatron at this point. Except Starscream is SUPPOSED to be a dick that ends up getting put in his place and his failures were done INTENTIONALLY by the writers to show that he isn’t the great leader he thinks he is.

In terms of Salem establishing who's in charge, Even Spaceballs figured this out.

 

[Les Lyons III]

RWBY Volume 9 Rewrite: Audio Book

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Critter made a rewrite audiobook for Volume 9 before the actual release.

Long story short: Critter constantly has women of colour—Harriet, Robin, and Emerald—be massive assholes out of bumfuck nowhere.

 

[Fishy Fish Fish]

RWBY Volume 9 Rewrite: Audio Book

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Critter made a rewrite audiobook for Volume 9 before the actual release.

Long story short: Critter constantly has women of colour—Harriet, Robin, and Emerald—be massive assholes out of bumfuck nowhere.

those characters were dicks in the first place anyway tho, lol.