Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[White_N]

I have to ask: who, with even a shred of reason, supports Ukraine?

And by that, I mean the government in Kiev. They came about as a result of a coup d'état, on which Nuland and the politicians in Washington spent at least a billion dollars to "spread democracy" in Ukraine and make friends with the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. And then they openly debated who they would like to see in the new Urkaine government. After the east of Ukraine, which had voted for the deposed president, refused to recognize the legitimacy of the new government, they began to kill and intimidate them and used the aforementioned ultra-nationalists like Azov, Aidar, Tornado, and others, since at the time the Ukrainian army was not indoctrinated and mostly refused to shoot at civilians. But Ukraine's anti-terrorist operation(ATO) failed, and the Minsk agreements were negotiated, which, as we now know, neither Poroshenko nor Zelensky nor Merkel were going to respect. Thousands of civilian deaths, and now the comedian president who was created by a Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who won the elections because he promised peace and intimidated by the nationalists to continue the civil war, and since the beginning of the open Russo-Ukrainian war, he banned: courts, parliament, media, religion(!).

The edgelords in the other thread calling themselves white nationalists or supremacists are just meat in the service of the actual Jewish oligarchs, whether they are from Kiev or Washington. What kind of clown world is this?

 

[pylosurf]

Hold onto your butts gamers. shits about to get real.

The terror attack in Bryansk has the duma calling for a all out war against ukraine, no more SMO but a full on war which would entail conscription and use of MWDs like Gas.

In better news Wagner forces have reached the center of the city, their men on the southern and northern flanks could close the gap at any time. the full might of the AFU is being thrown into the fight now, including massive air asset usage. i have no updoots on the new units being sent in but my guess is they have emptied lvov of everyone who can fight.

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Fighting also rages in the push for the MSR to the west of the city, the massive advantage of Russian artillery is making itself felt
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In the first video, it looks like they sent a musical band up to the roof? Guitar, some sort of brass, and ...bass?

Spoiler: Where have I seen that before?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I have to ask: who, with even a shred of reason, supports Ukraine?

And by that, I mean the government in Kiev. They came about as a result of a coup d'état, on which Nuland and the politicians in Washington spent at least a billion dollars to "spread democracy" in Ukraine and make friends with the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. And then they openly debated who they would like to see in the new Urkaine government. After the east of Ukraine, which had voted for the deposed president, refused to recognize the legitimacy of the new government, they began to kill and intimidate them and used the aforementioned ultra-nationalists like Azov, Aidar, Tornado, and others, since at the time the Ukrainian army was not indoctrinated and mostly refused to shoot at civilians. But Ukraine's anti-terrorist operation(ATO) failed, and the Minsk agreements were negotiated, which, as we now know, neither Poroshenko nor Zelensky nor Merkel were going to respect. Thousands of civilian deaths, and now the comedian president who was created by a Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who won the elections because he promised peace and intimidated the nationalists to continue the civil war, and since the beginning of the open Russo-Ukrainian war, he banned: courts, parliament, media, religion(!).

The edgelords in the other thread calling themselves white nationalists or supremacists are just meat in the service of the actual Jewish oligarchs, whether they are from Kiev or Washington. What kind of clown world is this?

Neocons, from both the Democratic and the Republican parties agreed that in order to maintain the US hegemon, Ukraine must be subverted to their will and used to destabilize Russia by extolling and weaponizing extreme right wing ideology among the Ukrainian people, as well as stoking resentments and grievances dating back over 100 years, from the era of the Russian Revolution/Civil War.

As an added bonus they sought to cultivate and encourage nationalists in the US to support and fight for Ukraine, creating an ISIS-like group that could be used domestically or in other European countries they found reticent or resistant to DC's edicts; surprisingly, few took the bait. There are a large number of "volunteers" from all over the world but who knows how many are actually doing it for free and how many do it for money; we only see the social media war tourists.

You have to keep in mind the people in charge of the US are spoiled boomers, used to getting their way. They are also old, with all the ailments that come with old age; in short, decrepit, venal and addled cretins who have no business running a country, which by the way, they have already run into the ground in pursuit of the rewards they crave from controlling Ukraine, and the goal of Russia's demise.

Washington's neocons are also almost all jews, who believe they must also serve Israel's interests. All this makes for a bizarre clown world but with nukes. It is absolutely illogical and insane.

 

[The Foxtrot]

If you're talking about the Millenial challenge, the General in charge basically was cheating. He would have the speedboats zooming around the US Navy to observe its location, while using literal lamps to broadcast information to the coast via a daisy chain, then bicycle messengers would carry the encoded information to HQ. But the "gotcha" to this is that all of this was done instantly, the bicycle messengers would travel from the Persian Gulf coast to Tehran at the speed of light. General Van Riper was being afforded the advantages of radio communication but without any of its detractions, no ability to interfere or jam it. He then did a saturation attack with shitloads of missiles into the area where the fleet was and sank a few notable ships, notes were taken and the military decided to refloat the fleet and told Van Riper to devise a new strategy and continue the wargame. Van Riper then sperged out and started tooting his own horn about he "sunk the US Navy fleet and they just cheated and refloated it because they were mad they got dabbed on so hard!" when its fucking pointless to run a simulation when the goal is to test multiple forms of combat. Had Van Riper not been given these extreme luxuries regarding communication in the first place the initial sinking would never have been possible.

The Millennial Challenge is one of those urban myths that just persists because nobody looks into it too deeply, just like the vague claim that the oil companies assassinated "this guy who had figured out how to make a water powered car!"

Reminds me of that one exercise where retards claim "SWEDISH SUB SANK US CARRIER!". What really happened was said sub had wandered out of the exercise area, found a completely unrelated CTF, mistook it for the target, fired off the fake killshot, and claimed they "sank the carrier".

That CTF knew full well where that sub was and was confused why it was approaching them in such a way. Then the sub does the fake killshot and it makes sense, "Oh, this must be one of those joint exercise guys who got lost.".

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Tbh the big take from this whole conflict is that both US and Russian arms are completely useless at gaining any real ground against a modern conventional army and the US was wise to keep shelling the fuck out of sand niggers in the Middle East instead of actually taking on a real threat.

 

[White_N]

Neocons, from both the Democratic and the Republican parties agreed that in order to maintain the US hegemon, Ukraine must be subverted to their will and used to destabilize Russia by extolling and weaponizing extreme right wing ideology among the Ukrainian people, as well as stoking resentments and grievances dating back over 100 years, from the era of the Russian Revolution/Civil War.

As an added bonus they sought to cultivate and encourage nationalists in the US to support and fight for Ukraine, creating an ISIS-like group that could be used domestically or in other European countries they found reticent or resistant to DC's edicts; surprisingly, few took the bait. There are a large number of "volunteers" from all over the world but who knows how many are actually doing it for free and how many do it for money; we only see the social media war tourists.

You have to keep in mind the people in charge of the US are spoiled boomers, used to getting their way. They are also old, with all the ailments that come with old age; in short, decrepit, venal and addled cretins who have no business running a country, which by the way, they have already run into the ground in pursuit of the rewards they crave from controlling Ukraine, and the goal of Russia's demise.

Washington's neocons are also almost all jews, who believe they must also serve Israel's interests. All this makes for a bizarre clown world but with nukes. It is absolutely illogical and insane.

No, with unscrupulous elites, everything is clear. What about the general population, which does not profit from money laundering or selling people into sexual slavery? What is their interest?

Tbh the big take from this whole conflict is that both US and Russian arms are completely useless at gaining any real ground against a modern conventional army and the US was wise to keep shelling the fuck out of sand niggers in the Middle East instead of actually taking on a real threat.

It seems to me that spending a decade and a huge amount of money to promote gender studies among fundamental Islamists is not something that I would call wise.

 

[Kane Lives]

No, with unscrupulous elites, everything is clear. What about the general population, which does not profit from money laundering or selling people into sexual slavery? What is their interest?

It seems to me that spending a decade and a huge amount of money to promote gender studies among fundamental Islamists is not something that I would call wise.

I'm not sure they're being a given a choice here. A lot of this is being mandated from top down.

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Yes Russian glowies what did it.

This is the first time I hear about "Russian partisans". What does he mean?
And "growing poverty"... dunno about that. As I said for a your usual Vasya nothing really changed much in terms of everyday living.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No, with unscrupulous elites, everything is clear. What about the general population, which does not profit from money laundering or selling people into sexual slavery? What is their interest?

Panem et circenses; bread and circuses. Once there is no money for circuses and no home in which to eat bread things may change but until then vidya. reality TV, porn videos and goyslop pacify the plebes.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

This is the first time I hear about "Russian partisans". What does he mean?
And "growing poverty"... dunno about that. As I said for a your usual Vasya nothing really changed much in terms of everyday living.

It means Ukraine is desperate and has no military left, so they're reduced to terror attacks against children and futile propaganda ops against their own population. That propaganda is not targeting Russia, it's meant to keep Ukrainians from revolting against their own government, as in, "It only looks like we're losing the war, but here's a great military success, we blew up a child."

It's end-game Volkssturm style shit. Ukraine recruiting 14-15 year olds, conducting terror attacks against civilians and calling it a "military victory," all while lying to their own people that the war is going great.

 

[Meh123]

Reminds me of that one exercise where retards claim "SWEDISH SUB SANK US CARRIER!". What really happened was said sub had wandered out of the exercise area, found a completely unrelated CTF, mistook it for the target, fired off the fake killshot, and claimed they "sank the carrier".

That CTF knew full well where that sub was and was confused why it was approaching them in such a way. Then the sub does the fake killshot and it makes sense, "Oh, this must be one of those joint exercise guys who got lost.".

Can you post sources? All I could find was the HSwMS Gotland vs USS Ronald Reagan CTF wargame
Wiki
Some random google find

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

It seems to me that spending a decade and a huge amount of money to promote gender studies among fundamental Islamists is not something that I would call wise.

It is ridiculous though, the US military spends an absolute fuckload on R&D weaponry so you'd assume their state of the art arms would actually be state of the art, instead they're proving to be pretty expensive paperweights unless they have full air superiority which would never happen in a contested conventional war. When was the last time we heard a peep about HIMARS? If they get within air support range they're toast.

I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed. By now we should have robots that are capable of walking through burning buildings and executing their target or subsonic missiles that could destroy a barracks seconds after launch, instead we've just got 1950s weaponry with shiny computers and other shit tacked on in them and tanks that still cannot deal with wet mud.

 

[Got Milk!]

When was the last time we heard a peep about HIMARS? If they get within air support range they're toast.

When that literal retard with his balloon decoy enlightened us to every decoy, and real, himars in the country being destroyed.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Several minor Russian news outlets report a Leopard 2 being captured in Bakhmut with a full crew of Poish mercenaries. There is no offical confirmation, but the media is referencing Alexey Muratov, the Donetsk representative of United Russia (i. e. Putin's pocket political party) as the source.

To call the news suspicious would be a massive understatement, but the rumor mill goes brrrr.

What do you think, kiwis - has Putin cucked to the Poles and is keeping the incident hush-hush to avoid TRIGGERING ARTICLE FIVE™ or is there no Leopard 2 and the newsies are just stirring the pot?

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Several minor Russian news outlets report a Leopard 2 being captured in Bakhmut with a full crew of Poish mercenaries. There is no offical confirmation, but the media is referencing Alexey Muratov, the Donetsk representative of United Russia (i. e. Putin's pocket political party) as the source.

To call the news suspicious would be a massive understatement, but the rumor mill goes brrrr.

What do you think, kiwis - has Putin cucked to the Poles and is keeping the incident hush-hush to avoid TRIGGERING ARTICLE FIVE™ or is there no Leopard 2 and the newsies are just stirring the pot?

If the Polish Leopard 2 exists, and the crew are Poles, then most likely they will be officially "AWOL" or "we've never heard of these guys before" and therefore not something that will trigger Articulo de Cinco.

I don't know how likely it is honestly. I wouldn't put money on it being true.

 

[White_N]

It is ridiculous though, the US military spends an absolute fuckload on R&D weaponry so you'd assume their state of the art arms would actually be state of the art, instead they're proving to be pretty expensive paperweights unless they have full air superiority which would never happen in a contested conventional war. When was the last time we heard a peep about HIMARS? If they get within air support range they're toast.

All for the sake of the military industrial complex.

I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed. By now we should have robots that are capable of walking through burning buildings and executing their target or subsonic missiles that could destroy a barracks seconds after launch, instead we've just got 1950s weaponry with shiny computers and other shit tacked on in them and tanks that still cannot deal with wet mud.

Hey! Modern gunsmiths are still far from Dora and Karl, well, effective Dora and Karl.

And I'm still waiting for the triumphant return of combat zeppelins.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Apparently the hohols have placed this journalist on the list of doom.

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1631046414926225408

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1631046417115488258

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1631046419661615107

And also Hinkle as well, though I am surprised it took them this long.

And that context box at the bottom lol.

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/CVbjf

Null warned us about the terrifying power of anime, and it seems Moscow listened!

Goddamit lol.

And Dear Leader said this recently on Poast.

josh (@josh@poa.st)

Officially fucking done with fat retards in the US and Western Europe simping for Russia and Japan. Either go move there or go kill yourself.

poa.st

And found this meme off Poast as well in response to this tweet, most likely by a troll account.

Springtime for Zeon (Woggy Mk II) (@WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st)

poa.st

https://twitter.com/GordoCDA/status/1630745168688340992

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

https://twitter.com/GordoCDA/status/1630745168688340992

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Had a gander through this dude's Tweet history. I can't tell if he's legitimately stupid or just saying really stupid things in order to get views. He keeps talking about how many views this Tweet got. Yeah no shit, I bet if I make a seriousface tweet saying the moon is made of cheese and here's why that's important people would be sharing it and calling me a dumbass too.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

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Now that would be hilarious. /k/tards will finally get to to test their mettle.

It's about time the American public learns what a real war looks like, maybe they'll stop electing demented boomer retards afterwards.

 

[Rubick]

the PZH 2000 is the Wunderwaffe, and used right it would hurt the russians alot because the russians have nothing that can hit a small target from that long range.
Pair it with 2 gepards and a couple of cheap scouting drones and you have an arty killer.

It's not like Russians do not have anything to hit them with. Hell, optical head armed Iskanders will even do that job. More then able to pinpoint land and obliterate a Ukie Buk.

It´s the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance(ISAR) for the army (Strategic Rocket Forces assets being the priority) is an area especially in seconds by seconds real-time data where Russians are lacking.

For their spaceborne assets they had really lofty goals but due to numerous issues mostly funding, the ever changing requirements and in some cases power issues, Ended up putting a lot of shit on the back burner or frozen

For a example ! The backbone Obzor duel purpose satellite family, namely Obzor - R with it's Kasatka-R AESA SAR sat array. Whom themselves meant to replace Arkon-2 and Arkon-2M sats. Because those where judged morally obsolete by the time they would be put to orbit and because of that got canned in favor of the Obzor familly.
Ended up suffering delay after delay due to funding and not to mention somewhat protracted development due to power issues and partial opinion of some in the dev team to go back to nuclear powered sats. Which they didn't in the end.

Same goes for their optical based sats. The 90's Araks optical surveillance sats got judged morally obsolete and got canned for Persona. Which itself has been put in snails pace into orbit. Off which the first two suffered failures.


Pretty much every part of their program of IMINT, ELINT and tracking and targeting satellite clusters for the army has been put on the back burner or delayed.

Sats for the navy assets btw haven't fared better. Though seabed assets have been done in planed so far order.

The Airborne assets ...well Soviets never quite had a AWACS fleet like the Americans and Russians less so with about 3 A-50 and 6 A-50U according to military balance being active and the new standard. The A-100 being ready for delivery only in 2024. And Russian inherited IMINT, ELINT has fell down also with the backbone consists of Il-20 albeit updated.

Also assets like MiG-25RBSh, MiG-25RBF and of course the multi-capable Su-17M3, M4 with their recce container pods got taken outback and shot by Boris the Drunk. Not to mention some other assets that got taken out or retired due to age.


Landborne assets are a mixed bag. Above the divisional level Russia been busy, however at the divisional and down, shit has been ignored until recently. With only PRP-5 "Mars-2000" complex/development being demonstrated out in the open both in wheeled and tracked variants. There is also another project under the name "Glyba" for a family of tracked and wheeled machines of different weight classes.

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Things are not all doom and gloom though. The last 10 years almost every arty battery in first line units has been equipped with an integral operational level UAV's and And Orlan-10 mid-range recce UAV were issued in decent numbers also.