US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The market makes no sense at all. Stuff is getting so much behind the scenes fixes and nonsensical controls it makes no sense.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

The market makes no sense at all. Stuff is getting so much behind the scenes fixes and nonsensical controls it makes no sense.

Welcome to 21st century economics, where nothing makes sense but we'll keep pushing forward with them since they can make our GDP grow on paper a full 0.03%! So by God almighty we'll just keep going until everything explodes in our face.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Welcome to 21st century economics, where nothing makes sense but we'll keep pushing forward with them since they can make our GDP grow on paper a full 0.03%! So by God almighty we'll just keep going until everything explodes in our face.

It's always been like that, look at how social security works.

America is one giant ponzi scheme and the other nations go along with it out of fear America will kick the shit outta them, just ask Japan or Germany.

 

[AnonymousKot]

On the bright side, this might blow up into a great depression, and since we're Weimar Germany, we can look forward to our own Hitler that will finally solve (most) of the problems, preferably with a race war

 

[The Ugly One]

You better hope he isn't. Obama absolutely loved being a figurehead and helping the elite install their goons everywhere in the government and pass shitty laws like the law that funded propaganda e-journos.

I really hate to agree with anything Barney buttfucking Frank of all people says, but there's a real push from TPTB to crack down on crypto, and the tactic they are using is debanking. You know, same thing they're trying to do with guns, porn, Kiwifarms, and anything else fun in life. In this case, it's because they want to eliminate competitors to Fedcoin and gain total control over the crypto market just like the stock market is manipulated, since they HATE being only one of the groups manipulating crypto. That said, I dunno if Signature was particularly fucked compared to other banks.

I hate to agree with anything the federal government does, but the driving motivation for the crypto crackdown really is the staggering volume of Ponzi schemes and other scams that dominate the crypto market. FTX wasn't just some marginal operation, like Bitconnect, and Sam Bankman-Fried wasn't just some guy nobody except crypto people had heard of, like Daniel Shin. FTX bled too much money out of too many Americans, so now there's political demand for the feds to do something instead of continuing to say, "Eh, you did business with some shady outfit based in a third world shithole--what did you expect?"

What the feds are doing now is closing all the off-ramps from the openly scam exchanges. Think Binance, Bitmex, Bitfinex, etc. If you're not keeping clean books, you're laundering money through shell corporations, you're doing business with cartels, you're commingling funds, etc, expect the feds to tell any U.S. bank who knowingly acts as an offramp for your accounts to knock it off or get the hammer.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

On the bright side, this might blow up into a great depression, and since we're Weimar Germany, we can look forward to our own Hitler that will finally solve (most) of the problems, preferably with a race war

The issue with that line of thinking is that there aren't really any other nations that could go up against America. The closest would be the combined efforts of the Brics nations and even then that's a stretch.

Since the entire world fears the American Empire they'll do as they please consequences be damned.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

If you're not keeping clean books, you're laundering money through shell corporations, you're doing business with cartels, you're commingling funds, etc

....isn't that what the federal government does already, though? I think they're just butthurt that they actually got competition and are trying to squish it, like someone said earlier.

 

[There'll be another time]

On the bright side, this might blow up into a great depression, and since we're Weimar Germany, we can look forward to our own Hitler that will finally solve (most) of the problems, preferably with a race war

Nah, it'll be led by a clown world white supremacist military junta of Cleetus, John, "one of the good ones" Tyrone and Chavez, each of them hand in hand with their asian tradwives, united around the concept of sending the women back to the kitchen.

It's the only way for things to get more retarded.

 

[verissimus]

The market makes no sense at all. Stuff is getting so much behind the scenes fixes and nonsensical controls it makes no sense.

And despite that, it will always be capitalism fault even though we clearly aren't operating in a free market.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

FTX wasn't just some marginal operation, like Bitconnect, and Sam Bankman-Fried wasn't just some guy nobody except crypto people had heard of, like Daniel Shin.

FTX was, however, openly colluding with the Feds before it imploded. It was pushing for "legislation" to make crypto into "legitimate" banking. It was donating billion to political campaigns and PACs.

Seems to me the Fed desire to crack down on Crypto has to do with the fact they tried to shut it down once, failed, then tried to co-opt it and it failed again. So not only can they not compete they cannot make it into a ally either. So they are getting desperate.

Ironically crypto wouldn't be nearly as much of a issue if regular banks weren't getting so open about their corruption and government integration. The entire system is becoming one gargantuan golem of interconnected little fiefdoms all uniting under a single all encompassing order and it is really straining to keep the appearance of being in any way free. It will have to crack, the question is if it will do so by collapsing or if it will do so by dropping the charade and admitting it is one big machine.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

 

[MrJokerRager]

Tucker recently received answers from President Trump and other cannon fodder for the 2024 GOP primaries on Jewkraine.

And posted all the essays on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1635449739226365955

Former President @realDonaldTrump answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn’t attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan, and a very poor choice of words by Biden in explaining U.S. requests and intentions (Biden’s first statement was that Russia could have some of Ukraine, no problem!), the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference. At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars, we are paying 4 to 5 times more, and this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”

Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

“No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal.”

What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

“Our objective in Ukraine is to help and secure Europe, but Europe isn't helping itself. They are relying on the United States to largely do it for them. That is very unfair to us. Especially since Europe takes advantage of us on trade and other things.”

What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

“That would strongly depend on my meeting with President Putin and Russia. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if I were President, not even a small chance. Would have never happened if I were President, but it has. I would have to see what the direction in which Russia is headed. I want them to stop, and they will, depending on the one that delivers that message. But with everything said, Europe must pay. The United States has spent much more than Europe, and that is not fair, just, or equitable. If I were President, that horrible war would end in 24 hours, or less. It can be done, and it must be done-- now!”

Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

“No. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”

Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

“No, they have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”

Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

“It depends on who the President of the United States is. At the moment, with Biden as president, absolutely yes. He says and does all the wrong things at the wrong time.”

Florida Governor @RonDeSantisFL answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.

Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable.

A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical.

The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense.

Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine.

We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."

Former VP @Mike_Pence answers our Ukraine questionnaire

Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

“When the United States supports Ukraine in their fight against Putin, we follow the Reagan doctrine, and we support those who fight our enemies on their shores, so we will not have to fight them ourselves. There is no room for Putin apologists in the Republican Party. This is not America’s war, but if Putin is not stopped and the sovereign nation of Ukraine is not restored quickly, he will continue to move toward our NATO allies, and America would then be called upon to send our own.

Vladimir Putin has revealed his true nature, a dictator consumed conquest and willing to spend thousands of lives for his commitment to reestablish the Greater Russian Empire. Anyone who thinks Putin will stop at Ukraine’s border is not owning up to the reality of who Putin is. We need to be clear-eyed about the Russian threat: that Georgia, the Crimea, and Ukraine are merely at the top of Putin’s lists, they are not the only countries he’s aiming for. And by supporting Ukraine, we have told China we will support Taiwan, should they follow Russia in an attempt to invade.”

What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

“Victory for Ukraine, where Ukraine’s sovereignty and peace are restored as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the Biden administration slow walked aid to Ukraine, every response has been too slow from providing intelligence to Ukraine, to hammering Russia with sanctions, to providing military equipment and fighter jets to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s victory should be an unmistakable, undeniable defeat for Russia and its allies.”

What is the limit of funding and material you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

“As a fiscal conservative, I do not believe in sending blank checks and want oversight of government spending at home and abroad. But withholding or reducing support will have consequences: If Putin is not stopped now and he moves into NATO-controlled territory, the cost will be far greater.”

Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

“That is a better question for the thousands of Russian citizens jailed for protesting the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As many as 200,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, that question should be asked to those families grieving their loss, ask if they’d support a regime change.”

Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

“The Trump-Pence administration established a devastating sanctions program and was the toughest US administration on Russia since the Cold War. Sanctions against Russia could have had even more painful consequences if the Biden administration moved quicker with new sanctions and western Europe had heeded US warnings to look elsewhere for energy sources.

Russia’s economy and currency are not stronger than before the war. The Russian economy is in free-fall. The Russian ruble is still afloat because of the extremely costly measures Russia has taken to keep their currency at pre-war levels in the face of sanctions. Russia is currently being propped up by China, and if China withdraws their support, Putin could run out of money by as soon as 2024; Russia is not in a strong economic position. This war is costing Russia their economy, their military prowess, their position on the world stage, and it’s costing lives.”

Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

“Putin is still “the small and bullying leader of Russia,” his talk of nuclear war is a bullying tactic that he used at the start of the invasion. But Putin should know the United States will not be bullied. This administration has not led with strength on the world stage, but America is still a nation that believes peace comes through strength.”

South Dakota Governor @govkristinoem answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

Q: Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

A: “The primary external threat to the United States in Communist China. Our opposition to Russia has heightened this threat for a number of reasons. One, it’s pushing Russia into an alliance with China – meaning Russia may soon draw from China’s large weapon arsenal. Two, we’re weakening our own military by sending weapons to a corrupt country. And three, we’re taking our eyes off the ball and allowing China to put favors in their bank. This should be Europe’s fight, not ours. We should not waste taxpayer dollars at the risk of nuclear war.”

Q: What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

A: “The American people didn’t get us into this war – Joe Biden did. Biden has this fantasy that he can do the same kind of thing to Russia that Ronald Reagan did to the Soviet Union; that, somehow, through American military weight, we’re going to bring Putin to his knees. His fantasy is wasting a lot of American money and killing too many people.

If we had a President who pursued peace through strength, Putin never would have dared to invade Ukraine. The only way to avoid these kinds of conflicts is to project strength. That’s why voters must remove Biden and the Democrats from office.”

Q: What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

A: “We’ve already over-extended ourselves in our largesse to Ukraine. And the Ukrainian government is not made up of angels – they have a long history of corruption scandals, and recent news indicates that this issue is ongoing.

The federal government is closing in on $200 billion in aid to Ukraine. We haven’t spent that much to protect our border in the last 5 years combined. We must question whether we should prop up a corrupt regime to our own financial detriment.”

Q: Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

A: “Not at this time, as it could lead to an even more destabilized Europe and cause escalation up the nuclear ladder.”

Q: Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

A: “The United States has come to rely far too heavily on financial sanctions as a weapon of deterrence. Now, nations that hate America are consciously moving away from the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Sanctions against China, Iran, and Russia have bolstered the Russian ruble and enabled China to establish trade in Chinese money rather than in US dollars.

One of the worst side effects of these sanctions has been the skyrocketing cost of oil and natural gas in America and around the world. Russia is selling less of its oil and gas, but they are doing so at a much higher price.

It’s counterfactual to say that Russia’s economy is stronger in the wake of the war. The more appropriate phrase here is “more resilient.” Russia has ridden out the sanctions remarkably well, but its economy remains weak. And it’ll get sucked into the global recession that it helped cause.”

Q: Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

A: “The Biden regime is taking us quickly up the escalatory ladder with a series of provocative actions and statements. We cannot back down from any legitimate threat that Putin makes against the United States. We are closer now to the use of tactical nuclear weapons than we have ever been. That would be what Putin would use first. This is not about dropping “the big one” on New York or Los Angeles. Putin would slaughter thousands of souls in a contained fighting environment.”

Governor @GregAbbott_TX on Ukraine:

“President Biden’s blank check foreign policy in Ukraine has drawn nothing but ridicule and disdain from our adversaries and has diverted funding from essential needs in the United States. Throwing money at Ukraine with no accountability or objective is clearly failing. Worse is that President Biden’s approach to Ukraine has been at the expense of underfunding, or ignoring, priorities at home. Before he sends any more money or assets to Ukraine's border, he must enforce our immigration laws and secure our southern border. As Governor of Texas, I am focused on responding to this Biden-made border crisis and delivering real results for Texans this legislative session.”

@SenatorTimScott on Ukraine:

“You have Americans who are frustrated because of the lack of leadership on domestic issues that only exacerbates the situation we see today in Ukraine. Here's where we need the president to lead: what is our nation's vital interest in Ukraine? And it should start with degrading the Russian military is in our vital national interest. In addition to that, we are not going to simply degrade the Russian military. We are gonna have accountability for every single dollar spent. There is no such thing as a blank check. We are going to make sure that there's accountability. And the last point I'd make on the Ukraine front is that China has chosen a side. They are partnering, they are partnering with Putin, which means it's enmity with us. China is a risk that continues to rise, an adversarial position they have taken against the American people. We should hear what they're telling us. Believe them and act accordingly.”

Former @GovChristie on Ukraine:

“Russia’s aggression against Ukraine is a national security issue that threatens our alliances and our standing in the world. Our objective is to assist Ukraine sufficiently to enable them to defeat Russian forces and restore their sovereignty. This effort is not about regime change in Russia; it is about respecting the sovereignty of free nations. Also, this is a proxy war being waged by Russia’s ally China against the United States. Due to their assistance to Russia and China’s recent action in the Middle East, it would be naive to call this anything but Chinese aggression. Our allies and our enemies are watching us. It is on us to assist our democratic allies in defending themselves against authoritarian aggression. If we do not, this aggression will spread and the void we leave will be filled by authoritarian regimes like China, Iran, North Korea and an empowered Russia if they triumph over Ukraine.”

The following GOP presidential hopefuls did not respond:

@NikkiHaley

@mikepompeo

@AsaHutchinson

@AmbJohnBolton

@GovChrisSununu

Also some random Indian guy responded with wall of text but he has no chance and national name recognition.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars

Holy fucking shit.

this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

“No, [we should not support regime change in Russia]. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”

“No, [sanctions] have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”

Orange Man hitting the nail on the head, as per usual.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

I think that's why the Democrats are so bad for America right now. They fail to realize that the other G7 nations tow the line because they are afraid of what America can do to them.

The Democrats let themselves become an anti-military party failing to grasp that America is an empire and empires NEED a strong army to project their power.

Democrat leadership comes across as very weak, like they are afraid of foreigners. It's infuriating because they can act tough with fellow Americans but then shit and piss themselves in fear when dealing with foreign nations.

The problem is that Democrats and to some lesser extent Republicans have bought their own propaganda and think the world bends the knee to America because they love America so much. In reality America is probably one of the most hated nations on the planet and relies on fear to stay on top.

This is why American leadership has to come across as strong and intimidating. Otherwise you have places like Russia and China who start to act against the status quo because they, like everyone else, is sick of it.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Better to be feared than loved.

 

[notafederalagent]

Spoiler: Archive

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

When it comes to DeSantis, I'm fairly convinced he can be bribed and bullied into not taking any meaningful action against the Powers That Be in DC. In fact, you could even say he's already been bribed and won't need to be bullied because he may already be willing to get along with them on all the most significant issues.

My only minor whitepill on DeSantis is the possibility that he could use his neocon inside knowledge to dismantle the corrupt system from the inside, using the Chester A. Arthur method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur

No one can get a feel for his true intensions until he gets into office. By necessity, he'll either need to lie to his neocon doners or lie to the MAGA base to get elected. I realize this is entering copium territory, which is why he's not my first choice of candidate. Trump, while he is a scumbag for leaving his most ardent supporters to rot in solitary confinement, is still the most viable candidate for me.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Repost from the Ukraine/Russia thread:

Russia just took down an American MQ-9 Global Hawk in the Black Sea. Sounds like it was rammed, not shot down. The most based method of aerial interception.

Not expecting any serious response from America, just kvetching from Biden and Blinken.

https://archive.ph/oCbdq

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[Badungus Kabungus]

Repost from the Ukraine/Russia thread:

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Funniest thing about it is the seething from /k/ and NAFO.
> noooo you can't just ram our shitty mutt-made drone out of the skies and return to base unharmed like a massive chad

Didn't even expend a single round.

Edit: Whoops, thought this was in the Ukraine thread. I don't think there will be any political implications from this, neither side really wants to escalate.