Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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I think it would be a good idea to make a general thread on any psychoanalysis, random observations, comments, or thoughts had pertaining to things that make a trans trans, or why trans people choose to do something, or why something is pervasive in the culture, and other topics like that.

Discuss at your leisure. Bring up topics you see discussed often, sometimes, or never. Say the exact same thing someone else said, who cares, it's casual navel gazing Friday every day in this thread.


Here's my thought: why do so many trans people make their online handle their new true chosen name? I think it's multifactored, as a lot of them are the share everything generation, but I also think a big part is making an online persona the real persona. Trying to force an identity of yourself online into real life, the online you is the real you and everything then transfers outwards. Or something like that.
 
Thanks for the thread, fren. My biggest gripe with troons is how they need everyone else to play along with their delusions. Doesn't matter if a natal female puts zero effort into transitioning, gets the tit-chop/a rotdog, or poisons herself with testosterone: She's a REAL MAN now!! Yet if you mention biological reality, troons gang up on you. The brave, strong man gets to whinge about being misgendered and she's hugboxed by the cult like no other.

Even licensed psychologists are obliged to play along. They would never dream of giving a kid with impulsive urges to cut razor blades. They wouldn't give bulimics a prescription for ipecac. Could you imagine people proudly posting images of rotting teeth, constant body checks, bleeding wounds the way troons do? Anybody who questions why is shunned and labeled as abusive. In what universe is any of that "affirming"?
 
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They're cowards. They're so aggressive in their "message" because they know the establishment's on their side — at least big tech is.

If it became punishable by death/imprisonment to be a TIM or a TIF tomorrow, 90% would drop the act or skedaddle into the closet for good. The AGPs in particular bully the women they despise and envy because they're allowed to, and it usually happens online where they can't face real consequences for it… like a pissed off father, brother, or husband, kicking their teeth in.
 
What's the ratio of "failed men/women" to "trending for the clout and metagaming"? Could this have been mitigated or at least heavily attenuated by dealing with that?

What the fuck do we do with the rot-crotched when this blows over?

How do you imagine the smell?
It's gonna be bad, like real bad. Especially when this whole thing blows over like the fad that it truly is. When Null says that in the next few decades we're gonna start seeing a swath of Tranny serial killers I genuinely believe it. At the very least a large amount of lawsuits against various doctors, and institutions for pushing this crap on people who in all honesty was jsut suffering from a mild identity crisis.

As for the ratio of "Failed men/Women to "Clout chasing metagaming tranny" We should also figure out where, and what group this tends to stem from in the first place. That place being the upper middle class leftist spheres. These individuals tend to side with Envious ideologies as well. Like how many trannies have you seen on this site that tend to either lean Communist, or anti-authority standpoints? When looking at this you can see that a vast majority of these trannies (From the United states at least) are from the west coast states, and New England where these ideologies have taken root the hardest. The only real way to mitigate this would be to give these losers some form of purpose, but they have already shown to have fully rejected this in favor of consumerism and Marxism in a form of bizarre doublethink. These folks where sadly a lost cause, and apart of the beautiful ones in this hellish "Rat Utopia" we call the internet.

The smell is going to be absolutly horrendus.
 
Thank you for this thread. It gives me an excuse to sperg about something I have noticed about trans-heavy spaces but I have not seen remarked on anywhere:

So, in the more extreme social justice spaces (I am not talking about mainstream liberalism here, or even very woke-flavored liberalism, I am talking about deep in the muck) there is such a taboo about self-improvement or advancement. The dominant belief is that capitalism is crushing us all underfoot, and any personal success might be seen as challenging that belief, so you have to either hide it or not aim for it at all.

In online chronic illness spaces this is really obvious: there is an issue in mainstream American culture with toxic positivity and assuming every illness can be cured by positive thinking, but these people overreact to that by acting like any attempt to physically better yourself is ableism.

In extreme leftist/social justice communities you can't mention your career aims or wanting to buy a house or even wanting to lose weight. That's all coded as right-wing now. You're not allowed any hope or change (sorry Obama, you're in the dustbin of history). "Did you really just suggest that @commiedude420 clear the rotting food scraps off his computer desk? Who are you, Jordan Peterson? How dare you? Don't you realize he doesn't have the spoons? Ableism of any kind is not allowed on this server. All computer desks are valid."

It's a fucking miserable way to live.

But the one personal-improvement journey you are allowed is gender. That's where you are allowed to work on yourself and advance and actually attempt change stuff if you're miserable. You're allowed to talk about your "gender journey" and your desire for surgery and your wishes for the future, and you'll actually get encouraged instead of scolded or ignored. It's like the one thing that people are allowed to pin their hopes on.
 
Might be late on these, but I have a few.

Why are they obsessed with things meant for children, like Pokémon?

Why do they not seek other methods of self improvement?

Why do troons have a strange obsession with wanting to prove to everyone that they are the best at everything?
 
Thank you for this thread. It gives me an excuse to sperg about something I have noticed about trans-heavy spaces but I have not seen remarked on anywhere:

So, in the more extreme social justice spaces (I am not talking about mainstream liberalism here, or even very woke-flavored liberalism, I am talking about deep in the muck) there is such a taboo about self-improvement or advancement. The dominant belief is that capitalism is crushing us all underfoot, and any personal success might be seen as challenging that belief, so you have to either hide it or not aim for it at all.

In online chronic illness spaces this is really obvious: there is an issue in mainstream American culture with toxic positivity and assuming every illness can be cured by positive thinking, but these people overreact to that by acting like any attempt to physically better yourself is ableism.

In extreme leftist/social justice communities you can't mention your career aims or wanting to buy a house or even wanting to lose weight. That's all coded as right-wing now. You're not allowed any hope or change (sorry Obama, you're in the dustbin of history). "Did you really just suggest that @commiedude420 clear the rotting food scraps off his computer desk? Who are you, Jordan Peterson? How dare you? Don't you realize he doesn't have the spoons? Ableism of any kind is not allowed on this server. All computer desks are valid."

It's a fucking miserable way to live.

But the one personal-improvement journey you are allowed is gender. That's where you are allowed to work on yourself and advance and actually attempt change stuff if you're miserable. You're allowed to talk about your "gender journey" and your desire for surgery and your wishes for the future, and you'll actually get encouraged instead of scolded or ignored. It's like the one thing that people are allowed to pin their hopes on.

Oh, I've seen that toxic positivity shit breaking containment. It's self humiliation and self mollification to be a better servile drone, full stop. It serves both the top, who wants people under them to Own Nothing and be Happy™, as much as the listless twits who want their bread and circus, their political-philosophical pablum, their xannies and klonopin wafers, their cope and hormones, to have an excuse to just eat junk food, play video games, and masturbate.

LinkedIn SlavePosting after the layoffs got fucking insane for a while

Mentioning basic accountability in any way, be it basic cause and effect, job training and education, budgeting, or working out triggers the fuck out of people who want to be lazy fat and mollified.

I recommend doing it often.
 
What the fuck do we do with the rot-crotched when this blows over?
They'll fall through the cracks if they don't have support and health coverage - so most of them. They'll have some support groups too, but remember, these are lonely men so there's a good chance they will do what other traumatized men do (sadly): act out at others, destroy themselves, or stay quiet and be a broken man. Act out being crimes, and I'm assuming we'll have more spree and one time killers than serial killers - these guys aren't known for planning. Destroy themelves with drugs or bad diets or other poor life choices. The last one explains itself. I give straight men these choices because it's hard for them to ask or seek mental health help and to look for new connections after burning them, like soldiers. I'd love men's mental health to improve, but more straight men have to do it since mental health help is often seen as emasculating if offered by women or not straight men.

Could this have been mitigated or at least heavily attenuated by dealing with that?
Anything can be helped by good parenting and good interpersonal connections with people meaningful. The kids need identity & friends, which can be helped by people in the kid's life taking more notice of them and bettering them. There will always be lost causes, but there's a portion out there that could be helped with different parenting, different nongender therapists, more supportive families, more focus on this or that, and so on. I don't know what I'm getting at but the main point I'm trying to say is I'm sure this shit could be prevented more.

When Null says that in the next few decades we're gonna start seeing a swath of Tranny serial killers I genuinely believe it.
I don't know since the biggest way to infamy is spree killing as well as instant gratification rather than serial killing, which requires slightly more planning to get away. We might have more murders commited but not getting father due to forensics and detective work being further along, most troons being fuck ups, and more troons living in suburbs than places you can hide bodies well.

but they have already shown to have fully rejected this in favor of consumerism and Marxism in a form of bizarre doublethink.
It's not doublethink when it's reddit marxism. Don't get me wrong, average marxism is dumb, but reddit shaped it to be even stupider.

It's a fucking miserable way to live.
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Why are they obsessed with things meant for children, like Pokémon?
Autism.

Edit: Autism is often comorbid with transgenderism, as are other things like anxiety and awkwardness that drive nerds to the internet with internet and fandom hobbies. These people become trans since they want to be like their friends who think they're trans. There's also a lot of trans people who are doing it to avoid the responsibility of growing up, whether it's staying a girl/boy/genderblob with nothing but kid obligations and worries to an adolescent teen or young adult and being on the "I can do anything with my life again" path.

Last and most horrifying, pedos tend to be into hobbies that attract children. Pedos are likely to have multiple paraphernalia, thus trooning out and hurting everyone more. (:_(

Why do they not seek other methods of self improvement?
Medication, surgeries, and joining and listening to a trans community circle does not have the same challenge and time investments as things like exercise, learning a hobby or trade, or social or volunteer work. You can get a pill NOW NOW NOW instead as a quick solution and INSTANT likes just for existing, which affirms you taking the speedy route instead of sitting down and confronting your problems. When you can post a photo or some joke about being trans and the gratification and likes come in, you become more addicted to that even though the other way is better.

People avoid tackling big problems with complex solutions, even outside of troonism. Some people can confront a lot of things, but really don't want to spend time on a few specific things for whatever reason. Some people can barely handle existing. I know I have problems I put off and avoid until I have to, and most Kiwis and Normies do too. Hell, a lot of modern China is built off that principle. If you're scared to screw something up or upset and depressed just by thinking about it, and don't have a magic bullet solution, you're tempted to avoid it because it's less stressful in the now to not work and touch it. This is a mental health version of that. It's taping over a medium sized hole in your roof and not doing anything until a hurricane comes, and even then maybe you never deal with it and it gets worse.

Why do troons have a strange obsessior 3 wn with wanting to prove to everyone that they are the best at everything?
Only some do. Some just desperately want validation from any source so being the first to do X is so good for them. Some are so angry and small egoed they need to show men/women they're the BEST men/women and they suck at doing it and fuck you for excluding me whores. And of course being best at something is a big confidence boost and proving people wrong feels great if you're a nerd (ses: this site).
 
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Crossposted from the Breadtube thread. No matter what your political views are, your reasons for hating troons are valid.

Auth-Left​

Troons are the most privileged people imaginable. Transgenderism is solely an upper-class phenomenon, a byproduct of capitalist decadence, as only affluent people have enough spare time on their hands to navel-gaze about impractical nonsense like "gender identity." Only the rich can afford surgeries, wrong-sex hormones, and chemical castration drugs utilized to live out their decadent fantasies. As such, they consume precious resources that could (and should) go elsewhere.

It is far less expensive to force these people to stop LARPing as the opposite sex (or some nebulous blob in-between), on pain of institutionalization, than it is to force the rest of society to affirm some willfully-confused retard in his delusions.

Capitalists in the medical industry must not be allowed to continue to exploit these mentally ill degenerates, nor should they be allowed to spread this memetic mental illness around. A collectivist society has absolutely nothing to gain (but everything to lose) from affirming "transgender" people in their mental illness.

Auth-Right​

Transgenderism is a crime against God, nature, humanity, and common sense. It is born out of sexual degeneracy, pornography addiction, self absorption, and an irrational vendetta against parents, society, or God Himself. Those who subscribe to this delusion make the blasphemous claim that God somehow made a mistake in allowing them to be born as the wrong sex, treating a perfectly healthy, functional state of being (being male or female) like a defect to be fixed, like a cleft lip.

It is a willful rebellion against truths that should be obvious even to the mentally deficient. It takes a very special kind of stupidity, the willful kind, to unironically believe that guys can become girls, or vice versa.

They have an irrational hatred for everything good, beautiful, and natural in the world, which is why they so frequently make themselves as ugly as possible. At best, they are spiritually sick people, and at worst, they are sons/daughters of Perdition.

Like other mentally ill people, they seldom ever seek help voluntarily, and they consider any attempt to treat or cure them as an existential threat. So like other mentally ill people, they must be treated against their will, forced to accept their immutable biological sex as it is. Because troons are very adamant about spreading their memetic mental illness to children and other vulnerable people, institutionalization should not be off the table, if that is what it takes to quarantine the infected.

Lib-Right​

Troons make shitty workers, and even shittier customers (unless you're in the fashion industry or the medical industrial complex). They are extremely entitled, are very lazy, create a hostile work environment, and will try to ruin your livelihood if you piss them off, which is ridiculously easy to do. Were it not for the state giving these people power, it would normally be easy to tell them to fuck off.

Refusing to affirm a troon in his delusions is not a violation of the non-aggression principle, neither is it an act of aggression to mock him for his willful stupidity. Hurting someone else's feelings is not an act of aggression. At worst, it's rude, though there are many such cases where "rudeness" is warranted. However, troons are so addicted to affirmation that they cannot help but violate the NAP for the sake of said validation. Which includes blackmail, bullying, sexual harassment (as demonstrated by the short-lived SuperStraight meme), rape, and even murder.

Assuming the troon in question is an autogynephile/autoandrophile and not a self-hating homosexual, pressuring other people to participate in their fetish is, itself, a form of sexual harassment, also a violation of the NAP.

Even without all of that, the mere act of demanding validation from others is itself a NAP violation, as they're demanding that others entertain an obvious, blatant lie solely to avoid hurting their fragile egos. Under threat of a temper tantrum. Suicide baiting is an especially insidious way to manipulate others, also a violation of the NAP.

Lastly, no one who is mentally well enough to consent to trooning out would willingly do so. Any agreement or contract where one party lacks the capacity to actually consent, either because they're too immature or mentally ill to truly understand what they're doing, is not voluntary. Offering SRS/HRT is inherently exploitative, even by capitalist standards, and thus a NAP violation.

Only the medical industrial complex benefits from the existence of troons, virtually no one else does, at least not in the long-term. Transgenderism cannot be justified with ideas like self-ownership, the rule of law, individual freedom, property rights, or the Non-Aggression Principle. Transgenderism itself is a violent ideology, as it cannot survive unless its proponents constantly commit acts of aggression against peaceful people who simply don't want to affirm willfully stupid people.

Doing any sort of business with a troon is something that no sane person should ever do.

Even a free-market liberal society, or even a hoppean anarcho-capitalist society, is perfectly justified in physically removing anyone who holds this dangerous, violent ideology.

Lib-Left​

Transgenderism is inherently misogynistic, homophobic, misandrist, and ultimately anti-human. It is misogynistic because it treats womanhood like a costume to be worn, and troons frequently deprive women of their single-sex spaces, and fetishize aspects of womenhood. It is misandristic for the same reasons, except in reverse, though men do have a somewhat easier time telling pooners to fuck off. Thus it can be said that women are indeed most affected.

Transgenderism enforces gender stereotypes by implying that feminine men aren't real men, and bullish women are not real women. It encourages people to hate themselves for things they cannot change, like their biological sex, or their alleged inability to live up to society's standard for either sex. It is homophobic because it denies the importance of immutable biological sex, which the very concept of sexual orientation is based around, and troons frequently troon out for the purposes of getting with homosexual members of the opposite sex. It is anti-human because it treats permanent bodily modification like it's no big deal. The fact that troons are so frequently incels is the cherry on top of the shit sundae.

Centrist:​

They won't let me grill in peace. And they suck at cooking.
 
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Crossposted from the Breadtube thread. No matter what your political views are, your reasons for hating troons are valid.
Man, this is the thoughtful autism I like to see.

Transgenderism is solely an upper-class phenomenon, as only affluent people have enough spare time on their hands to navel-gaze about impractical nonsense like "gender identity."
Yeah but, most of the authorative left IS upper class, we're going to have to throw the whole movement out if we lose our backers!

It is far more cost effective t
No, you fool, we'll get rid of money! Then everyone is equally taken care of! :story:
Transgenderism is a crime against God, nature, humanity, and common sense
What if it's just god accidentally putting the wrong soul in a faulty body? Then correcting the gender makes sense and makes my homo kid not a failure of my raising or genetics!


Offering SRS/HRT is inherently exploitative, even by capitalist standards, and thus a NAP violation.
Without derailing too much, how much does the NAP/Libright enjoy psychological care in general?


Transgenderism is inherently misogynistic, homophobic, misandrist, and ultimately anti-human.
Don't worry, since trans women are women and we follow post modernism, these are lesbian women and gay men doing it to themselves, and the gender theist are the most oppressed so it's ok if they whip their oppressors back. In 20 years we'll have another social revolution where we flip on our trans oppressors, it'll be such a fun cycle of politically active violence!




I'm trying to say you're making too much rational sense and I agree, but the further along you get in some of these the more contradictions will come. People will make concessions for the parts of the lifestyles they like and grew up with, and will engage in doublethink willingly (I'm sure I do some myself as a limp wristed left centerist) so they can keep things they want into something they want but can't believe all the way. Troons thrive on these contradictions, the more doublethink and contradictions you engage in the easier it is for them to find a way in since there's less questions being thrown around. A justification around the corner. It's why they can even glomp onto the fringe authorative right if just framed proper.
 
Thanks 4 making this thread. As someone who was involved in the trans community for a long time this stuff weighs on my mind a lot.

I think the thing that turned me off of the ideology for good was the realisation that these people follow a different set of rules to everyone else. The core difference between troons and actual minority groups is that transgender is something you voluntarily BECOME, rather than something you naturally ARE. For example, gay people are exclusively attracted to the same sex. This is an easily observable fact. Troons have no equivalent to this - at best they can only describe a nebulous feeling of "dysphoria" which could just as easily be caused by a whole host of mental illnesses (depression, BDD, etc). This makes it unfeasible to enforce any sort of restriction on who is and isn't trans; since it's an impossible-to-disprove mental construct, anyone who claims to be transgender has no more or less reason to be considered as such than anyone else.

It's impossible for a "true" trans person to exist because troonism is, by its very nature, impossible to define. It's a specially protected group which is open to anyone. This is how the movement spreads - by promising a sense of belonging to those alienated by modern society, a sense of identity to insecure young people, an easy way for narcissists to protect their ego, and a space for the truly depraved to realise their sick fetishes, all the while being congratulated for their "strength" and "bravery" by people who should really know better. It turns people into useful idiots who care more about their imaginary culture war/fantasy world than the very real problems we as a society face.

My question is: how did we get here? It honestly feels like the sane people have been confined to the hidden corners of the internet while this ideology is allowed to spread unchecked.
 
Alright.

It is just shocking to me how transgender people expect people to just blindly agree with everything they say and everything they do, no matter how fucked up it is. They must realize that they are allowed to identify as transgender, but at the same time, people can criticize them for it.

Another thing is how they all just put EVERYWHERE that they are transgender. Why? You can clearly live as a transgender person without saying you are one. Why do they feel the need to do it? It is literally like they want people to laugh at them every single fucking second of their life.

Something else that comes up to mind is the #DropKiwifarms drama. Trannys literally did everything in their way to take the site down (and failed). They literally became Kiwifarms. They doxxed, harassed and literally fucked with everyone that had to do with Kiwifarms or its infrastructure. They must have realized that they were literally becoming what they are trying to defeat.
 
My question is: how did we get here? It honestly feels like the sane people have been confined to the hidden corners of the internet while this ideology is allowed to spread unchecked.
It's a nebulous question I'm sure researchers and historians will have a better answer to in 10-20 years, but I'll guess on the factors anyway.

The rise of social media being more accessible to everyone, even those who would be worse off for having it due to it's desire to keep users engaged and addicted as well as the user's own mental health kinda stuck it right in there.

Gay marriage being legally won was another thing: good news, we don't need to keep fighting as hard for gay rights. Bad news, aside from community outreach programs people aren't going to donate to us since there's no more war left to fight. I know! Let's jump onto trans! And thus organizations who thrive on culture war donations and already had backers came in. I should say this extends to general social justice things too: they jumped on as soon as it became profitable.

Then you have gay and trans being confused for each other. To this day, most people don't realize trans lesbians and gaydens are the ones ruling the roost. They think all trans people are just extra homo. Less people will meet and interact with IRL trans people, and some of those trans people keep their ruder interactions to the internet (meek in person, barking orders and bitching about transphobes online). More people have gay family members than troons, and troons are in the lgbt, therefore ??? yeah that's the super gay. You can see 2012's dropping of gender IDENTITY disorder to gender dysphoria, meaning one is uncomfortable with their body rather than their idea of self. Trans people are usually seen as a good thing... until someone encounters one too many people who seem to have found their place but really found a new religion.


Bouncing back to social media, social media is seen as good for the vulnerable people, the people with problems who have trouble making friends elsewhere. This can be anything from stunted social skill, to anxiety, to autism, to depression, to being in a small town where no one shares your interests. Parents, caretakers, and said vulnerable people tend to wisen up to see that social media is a double edged sword, but not everyone has internet access monitored or a sense of reflection. This unrestricted internet access has said people mingle with anyone and everyone, and sadly everyone includes groomers and cult recruiters. Transitioning is marketed as the panacea, the fix to all ills. Why are you different, sad, and weird? You're full of gender dysphoria! How do I get the sin out? Believe in Jesus- wait, wrong script. How do I be comfortable again? Embrace your true self! For those not into the sexual aspect, people convert just for a built in friend group on the right side of history and a cure for the unpleasant feelings they have.

A quick fix should not be underestimated: there's a lot of people who just want to have a pill to take then move on. This isn't limited to lazy troons, this can be observed in people who avoid therapy because they don't want to dwell on their problems because they're too scary/numerous for them to deal with and require time and effort they don't have to sort them out in their minds. Besides, it's not THAT, you know, all *handwaves* THAT, it's just that this one thing is going on and if I change it I'll totally be fine. Sometimes this is the right thing - leaving a shit job or negative friend group, sometimes it's not and it's an entire mindset built up. Enter: the medical system. Want a pill? Sure, just sign here. Help us get this law in to make it easier for the consumer to get. Let's get insurance on it. So you have companies ans unscrupulous surgeons popping up for cash, and doctors who aren't sure how the fuck to deal with these patients just going by the script set up in their books to make sure a patient gets good care. And when that's written by people who misjudged in the first place, shit, you're going to get even good doctors making mistakes.

Sidenote: People think the laziness of Americans and the west is the problem with taking a pill and moving on, but it's a general human thing. If it was more culturally built up in other countries and seen as socially acceptable we'd be having more places pop up that churn out troon pills.

Anyway, you'll have the law not give a shit about this because they're not taking an addictive substance. Most places have other, bigger, actual issues to deal with then people doing whatever the fuck this is to themselves. Hell, the postal system police got backed up in corona and is still going after old cases. Shipping estrogen is a few hundred steps below shipping heroin or fent.

Speaking of law not giving a shit, guess what's easy to tack on to things without notice? Trans laws. You can read different laws in different places and be confused on how they got there, when there is a group of people who said "let's jump on getting trans laws in before lawmakers see it as a hot button issue". I'm not kidding, there was even articles about the art of getting in trans laws with other things but I can't find it at the moment. :( It's a good tactic since lawmakers were more focused on the gay wars and the main shit voters care about, that's one of the reasons you see the USA in particular have stuff overturned recently (but that's because I follow the Erin Reed thread, other countries have other things too).

So you have a bunch of prebaked crazy people having their voices amplified by social media, along with organizations who already have money that confuse trans = super homo and old school transvestites rather than the new social problem crowd, a network of people with poor supervision being taken in by the movement, companies realizing they can make money off something, and a general apathy from the rest of the nation because who gives a fuck about troons when they have all these other problems to deal with. It was the right place, the right time. I know it's tempting to blame global homo or one backing factor, but it's like all things where multiple factors happened.
 
The core difference between troons and actual minority groups is that transgender is something you voluntarily BECOME, rather than something you naturally ARE. For example, gay people are exclusively attracted to the same sex. This is an easily observable fact. Troons have no equivalent to this - at best they can only describe a nebulous feeling of "dysphoria" which could just as easily be caused by a whole host of mental illnesses (depression, BDD, etc).
What fact is observable about gay people that tells you their gay? Nothing. I can look at a person and tell their race or sex by simply looking at them. I can't with a gay person unless they mark themselves as gay. Being gay is an internal feeling expressed outwardly through actions. No different than a troon claiming to be a woman and trying to dress as one. The only substantive difference is most people except gay as legitimate and not mental illness.

This makes it unfeasible to enforce any sort of restriction on who is and isn't trans; since it's an impossible-to-disprove mental construct, anyone who claims to be transgender has no more or less reason to be considered as such than anyone else.
Why waste time trying to sort the real from the fake? None of this is valid.

My question is: how did we get here? It honestly feels like the sane people have been confined to the hidden corners of the internet while this ideology is allowed to spread unchecked.
As it turns out, the slippery slope is fact, not fallacy. The "sane people" said the feelings of a tiny minority of people was valid and any one who said otherwise was a bigot.

The idea that two men are just as valid as a man and a woman is a slap in the face to reality. The idea two dads are just as valid as a father and a mother is a punch to the gut. While the idea that a man can be a woman is a back alley stabbing. Its merely descending levels of bullshit.

Then you have gay and trans being confused for each other. To this day, most people don't realize trans lesbians and gaydens are the ones ruling the roost. They think all trans people are just extra homo.
I keep seeing this point brought up and I always wonder, why does this matter? I don't think the average normie's support for trans is dependent on them being the right type of queer. Their queer, or at least not straight. So what if they rule the roost? Most normie support for the gays isn't based on some philosophical idea gay is just as valid as straight. Instead it's based on a, "I've been told it isn't hurting anyone and I can't say otherwise without consequences" line of thinking. That and it has become a bit of a political football like abortion or guns.
 
Thank you for this thread. It gives me an excuse to sperg about something I have noticed about trans-heavy spaces but I have not seen remarked on anywhere:

So, in the more extreme social justice spaces (I am not talking about mainstream liberalism here, or even very woke-flavored liberalism, I am talking about deep in the muck) there is such a taboo about self-improvement or advancement. The dominant belief is that capitalism is crushing us all underfoot, and any personal success might be seen as challenging that belief, so you have to either hide it or not aim for it at all.

In online chronic illness spaces this is really obvious: there is an issue in mainstream American culture with toxic positivity and assuming every illness can be cured by positive thinking, but these people overreact to that by acting like any attempt to physically better yourself is ableism.

In extreme leftist/social justice communities you can't mention your career aims or wanting to buy a house or even wanting to lose weight. That's all coded as right-wing now. You're not allowed any hope or change (sorry Obama, you're in the dustbin of history). "Did you really just suggest that @commiedude420 clear the rotting food scraps off his computer desk? Who are you, Jordan Peterson? How dare you? Don't you realize he doesn't have the spoons? Ableism of any kind is not allowed on this server. All computer desks are valid."

It's a fucking miserable way to live.

But the one personal-improvement journey you are allowed is gender. That's where you are allowed to work on yourself and advance and actually attempt change stuff if you're miserable. You're allowed to talk about your "gender journey" and your desire for surgery and your wishes for the future, and you'll actually get encouraged instead of scolded or ignored. It's like the one thing that people are allowed to pin their hopes on.
Weakness is their virtue.
 
One thing I've alluded to but I think deserves a place here is a not exactly revelatory statement: literally all tranny activism is premised in suicide baiting.

I think most of us realize it on some level but I haven't seen many properly articulate it, probably because it's so easy to analyze their behavior a level or two above the basic premise, but make no mistake, every single thing trannies demand is couched in terms of "it will cause harm because of the suicide rate in the community" even if they try to dance around that blunt wording, which is about as close to "if I don't get what I want, I'll kill myself!!!!!" as you can get.

It's pathetic how effective it has been though, it works which is why they keep doing it.
...Something else that comes up to mind is the #DropKiwifarms drama. Trannys literally did everything in their way to take the site down (and failed). They literally became Kiwifarms. They doxxed, harassed and literally fucked with everyone that had to do with Kiwifarms or its infrastructure. They must have realized that they were literally becoming what they are trying to defeat.
The intoxicating effects of easily attained and completely undeserved power by emotional children. It afflicts any group which is allowed to act like niggers unpunished but trannies are by far the worst.
 
So I think it's clear that MtF's image of women is from porn. But can someone enlighten me on the vision of FtM fashion and their general appearance? MtF's typically want to appear like (what they envision) as ultra-feminine women. I can see the target they are trying to hit; they just can't hit it for the obvious YWNBA reasons.

But the whole FtM presentation seems really bizarre in all its forms. There is a segment of it that I'm assuming is imitating Yaoi--that's the male gay manga that's mostly consumed by women, right? I don't know that culture too well, but it seems like some FtMs are trying to look like a gay guy, but that simply doesn't work: what makes a guy look gay is the juxtaposition of some natural masculine attributes and a feminine presentation. If you have naturally feminine attributes, you can't juxtapose those with a feminine representation. So maaaybe they are trying to look like a gay guy, but it just doesn't even look like they are trying to me.

There's also the FtMs that are into women who just look like short, fat, dumpy dudes. So I've eventually come to the assumption that FtMs are more about rejecting their femininity than trying to embrace a masculine look in any real way. (The funny thing about this is that it actually would be pretty easy to look truly masculine. I have some background in strength sports / bodybuilding, and if they took heavy androgens for a year, they'd look FAR manlier than any of the FtMs you see. Just look up old Ms. Olympia winners without makeup. They look more like men than today's FtMs.

Here's an example of what a female looks like after years of androgenic steroids. Renee Tony, a bodybuilder.
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She never had to cut off her tits or have any surgeries. If you do androgens and have low bodyfat, the tits will just disappear for the most part. If she shaved her head, she'd look more masculine than most FtMs.

But yeah, all that to say I can only imagine that FtM aesthetic goals have more to do with rejecting feminity than acheiving a truly masculine look.
 
But yeah, all that to say I can only imagine that FtM aesthetic goals have more to do with rejecting feminity than acheiving a truly masculine look.
Don't overlook that they have also developed their own style among themselves that they then all imitate. Which fits because (generally speaking) teenage girls pay far more attention to imitating the fashion of their peers than heterosexual boys do. FtM fashion is its own little subculture, like emo or goth. Off the top of my head, the style involves:

- short-sleeved button-down shirts
- flannel long-sleeved shirts over t-shirts
- bow ties
- short hair dyed rainbow colors with undercut
- neckbeard
- pronoun pins/rainbow merchandise on display somewhere

Example (note that she is also doing the Gayden Glare):

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Related: while attempting to look for a picture of what I'm talking about, I stumbled onto the FtM Pinterest community (very manly!). When you look at what these girls talk about amongst themselves (as opposed to what they present to the world) it's striking just how much this bullshit is based entirely on consumerism and stereotypes.

Look how many things in this list involve purchasing something:

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I have said this before: no fucking wonder transgenderism gained so much support so quickly in our capitalistic society. Accepting your birth sex doesn't make anyone any money. Rejecting it requires a constant stream of consumer goods and (eventually) pharmaceuticals. And they will never get what they ultimately want (changing sex) so they are the perfect, infinite consumer.

On to the stereotypes (which of course require the purchase of more consumer goods).

Girl is when you where a dress:

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Boy is when you don't shave your legs:
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Girls are pretty butterfly Pokemon, boys are tough hornet Pokemon. If you feel tough that means you are a boy. If you do not feel tough you are a girl.

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Very healthy. I am glad this is being taught in schools!
 
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