Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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But yeah, all that to say I can only imagine that FtM aesthetic goals have more to do with rejecting feminity than acheiving a truly masculine look.

One person put forth the theory that a lot of FtMs and "nonbinary" people chase after nerdy, possibly-submissive boy types, similarly to how many male nerds (many of whom also wind up trooning out) chase after nerdy girls.

Like Lindsay Amer, who dresses up like a stereotypical nerd of the 50s/60s/70s.
 
. They must realize that they are allowed to identify as transgender, but at the same time, people can criticize them for it.
You can't be criticized for being black or gay, unless you yourself are gay or black. Why? Because critique outside the club only have prejudice.

The same applies to trans people. It's not fair, but being called a transphobe is painful socially.


Another thing is how they all just put EVERYWHERE that they are transgender. Why? You can clearly live as a transgender person without saying you are one. Why do they feel the need to do it? It is literally like they want people to laugh at them every single fucking second of their life.
Easy. Aren't you proud you found a moral group of friends? A kind and caring group of friends? They're so cool and subversive and so positive and so great, they're the unpopular cool kids! Why not advertise that you're a Christian/Muslim/Trans? Why not spread the good word?

Not everything in troonism is religious, but it's funnier that way.

They must have realized that they were literally becoming what they are trying to defeat.
Nah, the only way to become what they hate would be to say something wrong about trans people. You can murder and kill and gas and bomb people, but only the right people. It wouldn't matter if we were a single sweet lady giving to charity and worrying about women's health, we would be murdered either way. No one would speak out in the cult circle even if they hate it or wrong.

I keep seeing this point brought up and I always wonder, why does this matter? I don't think the average normie's support for trans is dependent on them being the right type of queer. Their queer, or at least not straight. So what if they rule the roost? Most normie support for the gays isn't based on some philosophical idea gay is just as valid as straight. Instead it's based on a, "I've been told it isn't hurting anyone and I can't say otherwise without consequences" line of thinking. That and it has become a bit of a political football like abortion or guns.
I do think it does, but I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I can't give you a definitive answer but it's fun to postulate.

literally all tranny activism is premised in suicide baiting.
And yet they still don't do it that yell about it online! Bunch of cluster B a-holes.

But yeah, all that to say I can only imagine that FtM aesthetic goals have more to do with rejecting feminity than acheiving a truly masculine look.
Correct. What everyone else said so far is good too.

One of the big things ladies do is to hide themselves within a group. If you don't want to be sexually attractive to men you're afraid of, or afraid of growing up in general, what do you do? You disguise yourself as something else, particularly something that repels people you don't want to please. You'll still choose things you like, but a lot of your stuff is put up as a defense. You're more comfortable in baggy sweaters not just because you like them, but because they make you safe and unavailable to others. It's a distance, even if you want to wear that nice shirt with short sleeves. That's a more extreme example but it comes up when dealing with anxiety/OCD and abuse related disorders.


Otherwise it's fitting in with other Enby or FtMs, doing kweer fashion for funsies, or emulating men they like. There are FtMs who want to emulate rat-like tumblr sexymen, there are some who want to emulate bears, and no joke, there's some into slobs. There's a number of variations but a lot tend to fit certain molds rather than cooming.
 
I honestly want to know why  women support trannies who are complete mockeries of them instead of the few who voice their disgust with them. The porn addicted men supporting other porn addicted men even though they'll never fuck eachother makes sense to me. But 40yo Sally saying, "Omg you're so beautiful!" to a middle aged balding man in a Goodwill dress, doesn't.

I'm in a few make fun of troon groups on FB that'll occasionally share posts from troons and the comments on those posts are either troons giving praise or women giving praise. Rarely do I see men say anything supportive (the few that do look like total faggots, so they don't count).

Is it the womanly desire to be liked/approved by all or whoever is in her social group? Not wanting to hurt feelings? Social credit rating superiority/holier than thou? Even the amount of fat/obese moms trooning out their kids for ass pats online is increasing and none of it makes sense.
 
One thing that bemuses me is how some trannies are complete ogres but refuse to do anything about their weight or other unsightly features. Like yea, you get bolt-ons or a mastectomy, but do nothing about your double chin, stringy, greasy hair or your weight that makes you look like a hippo. There was someone in the sideshow thread that had facial-feminization-surgery but did not bother to get rid of the moles on their face. I struggle to understand it to this day. The tranny paradox.
 
Is it the womanly desire to be liked/approved by all or whoever is in her social group? Not wanting to hurt feelings? Social credit rating superiority/holier than thou? Even the amount of fat/obese moms trooning out their kids for ass pats online is increasing and none of it makes sense.
You can call me fat and gay but us women just tend to go for caring for the downtrodden. Like, there's a reason women tend to be out volunteering and working towards children and other vulnerable group's rights laws.

So if someone describes transitioning to be utter pain to the point the said trans person might kill themselves, that tugs on the heartstrings. It's rational to not want to see someone die, and it's human to sympathize with people in pain even if it doesn't make sense or is alien to us. So you say things in hopes that they feel better. And yes, there are hopes that you're a better person for saying it and you're doing the right thing, there are social credit scores tied to it, but at the same time there's actual genuine desire and goodwill to see others succeed even if you don't understand them. I know, it's fucking bonkers, humans might gain satisfaction through altruism, but it can be the truth sometimes (not all the time, social credit asspats and best mom awards are for moms who troon their child when they're obviously doing it for attention). I'm saying this sarcastically since some people on this forum forget that not everything is done for personal gain, some is for overall group gain, not a personal teabag on you or your question.

Also, actual question: how often do you see men giving complements to each other in general? It's something they'll do less in general, not out of spite but because they don't think about it or other reasons
 
I honestly want to know why  women support trannies who are complete mockeries of them instead of the few who voice their disgust with them. The porn addicted men supporting other porn addicted men even though they'll never fuck eachother makes sense to me. But 40yo Sally saying, "Omg you're so beautiful!" to a middle aged balding man in a Goodwill dress, doesn't.

I'm in a few make fun of troon groups on FB that'll occasionally share posts from troons and the comments on those posts are either troons giving praise or women giving praise. Rarely do I see men say anything supportive (the few that do look like total faggots, so they don't count).

Is it the womanly desire to be liked/approved by all or whoever is in her social group? Not wanting to hurt feelings? Social credit rating superiority/holier than thou? Even the amount of fat/obese moms trooning out their kids for ass pats online is increasing and none of it makes sense.

Women tend to be more obsessed with fitting in socially, yes. Women also tend to be more obsessed with status, which is why they're much more likely to participate in the oppression Olympics, or at least cheerlead for those who participate in it.

Whereas men are more likely to care about practicality and not give a fuck about what others think of them. They engage in more risk-taking behavior, and are more willing to martyr themselves for what they believe/know to be right.

Women are more succeptible to emotional manipulation, as described by @AMHOLIO . Troons are psychopaths and narcissists, so they are incapable of feeling empathy, but they know how to invoke it from others.

There's also the innate desire to play it safe, to avoid hurting feelings. Their impulse for self-preservation is much stronger than that of men. It's the same reason why women in France or other countries spread their legs for the German occupiers during World War II. They think that the LGBTQP movement will win out, so they are deathly afraid of voicing any opposition to it, out of fear of being "on the wrong side of history."

I mean, seeing that the LGBTQ movement has steamrolled over society ever since the 90s, by using the tactics described in After the Ball, it makes sense. Seeing any opposition to gay marriage, or anything else of the sort, be smeared as mindless bigotry was pretty demoralizing, so it was a huge temptation for many, myself included, to try to appease gays and troons in the hopes that they'd finally shut the fuck up and leave everyone else alone.

It's only now, that we see that nothing will appease them, that they will go as far as to groom/rape/mutilate kids, that there's any serious pushback against the LGBTQP movement. Only now, that we see the societal consequences of legalizing gay marriage in 2015, can we seriously talk about the uncomfortable truths about homosexuality, and what it does to society if it's normalized, treated as anything else but a deeply embarrassing alternative lifestyle that is better kept in the dark (at best).
 
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Only now, that we see the societal consequences of legalizing gay marriage in 2015, can we seriously talk about the uncomfortable truths about homosexuality, and what it does to society if it's normalized.
I totally get this and agree, I'm not even on the side of "we need to revoke gay marriage", I just want humans to be held accountable for their actions even if their secular church phliosophy denomination is pure and good. Gay or straight don't get no pass for being generally retarded, all standards should apply to everyone.
 
To this day, most people don't realize trans lesbians and gaydens are the ones ruling the roost.

I keep seeing this point brought up and I always wonder, why does this matter? I don't think the average normie's support for trans is dependent on them being the right type of queer. Their queer, or at least not straight. So what if they rule the roost? Most normie support for the gays isn't based on some philosophical idea gay is just as valid as straight. Instead it's based on a, "I've been told it isn't hurting anyone and I can't say otherwise without consequences" line of thinking.
It's a terf/lefty cope, employed by people still captive to the overall brainrot of the left even if they have escaped the specific cult of tranny magical thinking. In the leftist moral rubric, the way to prove something is double extra bad is to show that it's -ist or -phobic. So these folks get to the point where their gut is screaming that something is wrong with trannyism. Now to prove it to themselves they have to show that it's -ist or -phobic. Because that's the only real evil that exists in their moral world.

That's also where you get terfs moaning that trooning out is homophobic, a sort of genocide of baby dykes and proto-fags, done by Evil Fundies who would rather have a screwed up mockery of a son than a lesbian daughter. If you confront them with the fact that this simply does not describe the vast, vast majority of trooning outs going on right now, they shut down.

It's also the gay version of "but was it good for the Jews? (TM)" This is a little selfish ingroup so ingrown and narcissistically obsessed that they can't weigh right or wrong, only "good for us or no?"
 
A lot of these questions have pretty simple answers. I know a fair bit about trans culture, so I figured might as well answer.

Could you imagine people proudly posting images of rotting teeth, constant body checks, bleeding wounds the way troons do?
They do, at least on twitter. edtwt (eating disorder twitter) and shtwt (self harm twitter) are horrifyingly massive communities. It just isn't as socially acceptable, unless you're in the community of course.

Why are they obsessed with things meant for children, like Pokémon?
Autism. Literally just autism.

The core difference between troons and actual minority groups is that transgender is something you voluntarily BECOME, rather than something you naturally ARE. For example, gay people are exclusively attracted to the same sex. This is an easily observable fact. Troons have no equivalent to this - at best they can only describe a nebulous feeling of "dysphoria" which could just as easily be caused by a whole host of mental illnesses (depression, BDD, etc). This makes it unfeasible to enforce any sort of restriction on who is and isn't trans; since it's an impossible-to-disprove mental construct, anyone who claims to be transgender has no more or less reason to be considered as such than anyone else.
This is why I think gender dysphoria should've remained a DSM diagnosis.
Gender dysphoria =/= being transgender.
It can be caused by other mental illnesses, it can be something you outgrow, but it's not a choice or something you can control. Being trans is a choice - you choose to come out and transition.

So I think it's clear that MtF's image of women is from porn. But can someone enlighten me on the vision of FtM fashion and their general appearance?
Other trans men. I'm not sure where the original FtM people got it from, probably tumblr softbois.
 
I'm from a country where transition is very common but those people are not considered 'trans' in the same way as the first world countries - there's no legal gender change and there's also no cultural idea that you can actually change sex. Another point is that transitioning is seen as a lifestyle rather than a psychiatric condition that requires gatekeeping from psychiatrists. So we have a pretty different dynamics from the west, where trans surgery is easily accessible, but we don't have them invading women space and claiming to be what they are not... they are 'accepted' in society, but not accepted as true and honest opposite sex.

I ended up disagreeing with people who think that to fix troon lunacy we need to go back to way where transitioning is 'heavily gatekept behind therapists and bureaucratic agents, but after transition, they should be 100% be treated as opposite sex' as it was in the 80-90s of the developed countries. Because with this way we are still allowing people to indulge in their delusion. This 90s style system is a precursor to troonacy, it failed, because it gave birth to whatever we're seeing now. It doesn't really teach them to accept the reality.

But here's another observation I made

I noted that 'nerdy trans' who are obsessed with IT, video games and synthesisers seem to have always been a thing in the west, there had been a lot of programmer troons in the 90s too, but they're virtually nonexistent in my country until the last few years. Many of the people who are transitioned here seem to be the femme, catty gays type with stereotypically feminine interests and tend to be in service industries more than tech/IT/engineering and seem to have more social awareness than programmer troon.

What accounts for this phenomenon?


In a way... people here with nerdy interests are also don't seem to be "cut off from the real world" like the ones from the first world too... But I guess the trade-off is that we're stuck in a third world shithole without groundbreaking intellectual workstthat requires going out from social conformities.
 
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One of things that really confused me is was boomers and people that are in their late 40s-50s that support troons or at least have sympathy for them.
But I think I realized why is that.

Lots of boomers and older people when asked how did people and society treat those that were mentally ill especially in times where the medical field wasn't advanced enough as its today especially in psychology, they tend to answer that they were failed by healthcare and sometimes by their own families, treated like subhuman, intentionally ostracized or sent to institutions where people working there wouldn't even bother helping them, leave them to be abused or have some fucked up alternation performed on them as a ""solution"" (i.e. lobotomy).

Which makes me believe the reason why there are some boomers or older people that support troonism, is due to their fear of something similar happening again (which ironically enough, is happening).
They probably think "If I don't support this thing, I won't be better than my own parents that scoffed at those less fortunate and were eventually failed by our society back then."

I get that some boomers want to be kinder because of the injustice they've seen during their early lives, but because of that goal, that also tends to cloud their judgement.

That or they view this thing as another innocent fad but, cannot understand why unlike with goth and emo kids there is an actual uproar and pushback about this.
 
That's also where you get terfs moaning that trooning out is homophobic, a sort of genocide of baby dykes and proto-fags, done by Evil Fundies who would rather have a screwed up mockery of a son than a lesbian daughter. If you confront them with the fact that this simply does not describe the vast, vast majority of trooning outs going on right now, they shut down.

With the possible exception of Islamic fundamentalists in Iran, I suspect most fundies would say, "Oh for fucks sake, just be gay instead!"

At least same-sex attraction is easier to deal with. Celibacy isn't the worst thing in the world, but constantly hating yourself for what is irrevocably hardwired into every fibre of your being...ouch.

That or they view this thing as another innocent fad but, cannot understand why unlike with goth and emo kids there is an actual uproar and pushback about this.

If they viewed it as a "fad," they'd be mercilessly taking the piss out of it as we are.

Even in their heyday, it was perfectly OK to make fun of goths and emos. Because they defined themselves as a subculture, not as a TOTALLY VALID PERSECUTED MINORITY.
 
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I noted that 'nerdy trans' who are obsessed with IT, video games and synthesisers seem to have always been a thing in the west, there had been a lot of programmer troons in the 90s too, but they're virtually nonexistent in my country until the last few years. Many of the people who are transitioned here seem to be the femme, catty gays type with stereotypically feminine interests and tend to be in service industries more than tech/IT/engineering and seem to have more social awareness than programmer troon.

What accounts for this phenomenon?

I think the rise of trans (and to a certain extent LGBT as a whole) activism in the west is partially due to our privileged position in comparison to the rest of the world which makes us feel the need to invent new problems to deal with. Therefore, transgenderism is reframed from being this weird lifestyle choice for gay men to an oppressed minority group which needs liberation NOW NOW NOW, creating an increased sense of "community" between trans-identifying people. It's this different perspective that makes trooning an attractive proposition for heterosexual nerdy spergish guys who feel that they failed as men somehow - the trans community offers them the approval which they might otherwise lack, so long as they keep taking their pills. They're also more likely to hang out in online communites which are major breeding grounds for troonacy.
 
It is just shocking to me how transgender people expect people to just blindly agree with everything they say and everything they do, no matter how fucked up it is. They must realize that they are allowed to identify as transgender, but at the same time, people can criticize them for it.

Another thing is how they all just put EVERYWHERE that they are transgender. Why? You can clearly live as a transgender person without saying you are one. Why do they feel the need to do it? It is literally like they want people to laugh at them every single fucking second of their life.
Honestly, I think that these types of people want the recognition for 'rejecting the gender roles of their original gender'.
It's 'kewl'. It's a status.
These types of people don't even really see themselves inside as 'a normal girl' or 'normal boy'. They crave the recognition for breaking gender roles. They only see 'claiming to be the opposite gender' as another way to 'break gender roles' or 'fuck up expectations'.

I see troons admit to this and celebrate it all the time.
 
Many of the people who are transitioned here seem to be the femme, catty gays type with stereotypically feminine interests and tend to be in service industries more than tech/IT/engineering and seem to have more social awareness than programmer troon.
Black, Latino, and Asian MtF transsexuals in the West are still majority effeminate gay men. You'll find them in female dominated careers. The programmer troon is exclusively white.

What accounts for this phenomenon?
Part of it is as Geoform 187 said. The other half is the paraphilia known as autogynephilia in which a man, usually heterosexual, is sexual aroused by the thought of himself as a woman. According to the sexolgists who coined the term autogynephilia 70% of MtF transsexuals in the West today are autogynephilics. AGP seems to be a paraphilia that is mostly found in white males.
 
I know this has probably been mentioned before, but why are their diets so terrible? You'd think they'd be doubling over in pain everyday with all the problems that wrong-sex hormones and terrible diets cause.
 
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According to the sexolgists who coined the term autogynephilia 70% of MtF transsexuals in the West today are autogynephilics. AGP seems to be a paraphilia that is mostly found in white males.
Which isn't surprising given homosexuality in general is a white phenomenon. Given that white majority western nations are the only ones with widespread LGBT support.
 
I've probably mentioned this before, but I have a theory that AGPs view themselves as being more feminine and attractive than they actually are, in a similar manner on how people who are arachnophobia view spiders as being bigger than they actually are. It would explain why ogres like Kevin Gibes and Alex Caraballo can convince themselves they are not complete eyesores but actually attractive in any capacity.
 
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