Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Tetragrammaton]

something ill never understand about trans people is why they feel this insane need to force people to accept them. they always talk about how they just wanna live a normal life but seem to not realize that life is never perfect. you are not gonna make everyone like you no matter what you do. you could save 900 puppies from a burning building and at least one person is gonna hate you for it.

part of me wonders if there is some form of denial involved like they convince themselves so hard that after their transition life will be so much better and easier and people will accept them. but when that does not happen they either join the 41% or take it out everyone around them. they think they are owed a storybook ending when the reality is they are not owed anything.

they make their own lives miserable by trying to force acceptance and as a result they also make the lives of other trans people equally as miserable. all any group of people need to do to become accepted is just not be retarded. trans people could very easily be seen as people with a legit medical issue if they just stopped trying to force people to like them. it might also help if they dealt with the pedos and zoophiles in their ranks which they seem to turn a blind eye to.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Thank you OP!! I for sure will come shit this place up with my autism psychoanalysis regularly

something ill never understand about trans people is why they feel this insane need to force people to accept them. they always talk about how they just wanna live a normal life but seem to not realize that life is never perfect.

I believe it’s because deep down they cannot accept themselves and what they are doing. Old psychoanalytic smug trick is too see it as projection: what they are really begging and demanding for is self acceptance, and since it’s impossible, they sperge it on the society, the Other (wanting to be someone else is already tell tale sign of lack of self love and acceptance). And since it comes from the inside, nothing anyone else do is ever going to be enough for them. They really need everyone else to tell them “yes this route you chose this life you are building is completely and absolutely good and valid,” because they deep down can’t really justify it for themselves. Their overly defensiveness points not to a solid belief in their ideology, but the complete opposite. I think we all know someone who makes astronomically bad decisions, and will lash out at anyone who points out their bullshit.


. If someone is truly sure about their decisions, objections from a minority, or even the majority, is hardly going to sway them or make them angry. Troon cannot bear to hear the voices of reason and judgments because they are trying so hard to silence that voice and doubt deep within them. There are only two options other than troon out for these feeble minded: suicide, or work hard to become less mentally ill. Both choices do not look good for them. Whenever someone says “YWNBAW” it’s forcing them back to a spilt second of lucidity, in which they are given again the two choices of either death or get better. They cannot bear it. And the uncomfortable feeling has to go somewhere. Instead of realizing they are completely responsible of bettering their lives and learn to havetrue self acceptance, they lash out on the person who is making them uncomfortable by pointing out the obvious. These people j believe are extremely mentally unstable to start, either Cluster B personality disorders, or sexual abuse. They also obviously have extremely poor coping mechanisms, which pushed them to self mutilate and deep denial through trooning in the first place.


ETA: any kiwi know freuds castration anxiety well? I used to think it’s so ridiculous and completely bs so I never gave one second to it. Now seeing the troons activately pleading to be castrated I wonder if Freud was right about that all along

 

[Aunt Carol]

My deep thought: Drag queens are exactly like clowns.

If you're serious, there's a painstaking craft to it, from the outfit and makeup to the physical training and perfecting the act itself. Real clowns go to school for it.

There is also a huge segment of the population that thinks you just put on a half-ass costume and you're done. The act (and the applause and public approval) will come from the costume and the social construct alone.

When it's clowns, this is your uncle as a volunteer party clown, John Wayne Gacy, sad people who are JWG except without the rapes and murders, or those "Christian Clown Ministries" from the 1980s-1990s. When it's drag queens, it's the "drag queen" protestors or small town drag-to-kids events.

Drag is supposed to be in the same category as burlesque, a cabaret act with risqué humor, for adults. Nobody would have any problem with drag if it stayed that way, and the claim that it's kid-friendly is as unreal and baffling as the claim that Lupron has no record of side effects.

Personal opinion: you have to have a decent amount of life experience to truly appreciate transgressive humor. Kids don't have enough beaten-in understanding of social norms for it to be funny when they're broken. Without Life providing the setup, there's no punchline. Fart jokes for children, sex jokes for adults. Thank you.

 

[Johan Hulth]

I honestly want to know why  women support trannies who are complete mockeries of them

It's like those weird spack eyed dogs that many women coo over.

In regard to normies acceptance of the current tranny dogma, for most people being gay is as alien as trannyism, and all fits neatly under the same umbrella, if you don't think about it too much. Of course this is where the really insidious Queer Theory stuff gets into irl and schools especially.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

something ill never understand about trans people is why they feel this insane need to force people to accept them.

That's true of every special interest group. Blacks with BLM. Regular gays with LGBT organizations and pride. Any dysfunctional group has to force or try to force non-dysfunctional people to accept (really worship) them or else that proverbial hammer comes down.

In regard to normies acceptance of the current tranny dogma, for most people being gay is as alien as trannyism, and all fits neatly under the same umbrella, if you don't think about it too much.

Disagree, even if you think about it, tranny nonsense fits under the general gay umbrella.

 

[Gintoki's Sweet Tooth]

What really boggles my mind aside from...well, pretty much everything because it's all absolute lunacy, is why trannies seek out so much help from peers for their transition. Shit like how to sound more like a man in texts, or ideas for names, or what to wear and how to act generally.

Isn't the supposed entire point of trooning out that they're just being themselves? If you're just being your "true" self why do you need to ask others how to speak or act or present yourself? I suppose it could stem from a fear of not being accepted, but I still find it kinda cloying and idiotic regardless.

And on a related note, I thought these people were all about destroying gender norms or whatever. So on the one hand they screech about sex/gender not being binary but at the same time they whine about how to fit in better as their new preferred gender out the other side of their mouth, which takes them right back to the masculine/feminine behaviors they apparently loathe.

I don't get it and I hate it and I hate them. Thank you Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Mississippi, South Dakota, Tennessee and Utah for retaining a shred of sanity.

 

[Lady Farishta]

The trannies got me thinking about the LGBs, so this is a bit of a tangent, but I never really thought much about homosexuality being problematic before the trans thing--which totally grosses me out on such a fundamental level that I don't even think it's necessary to rationalize it. (transism, that is)

However, once I started seeing the 'slippery slope' thing, I started thinking... Why the fuck isn't being accepted enough? Or tolerated? Why do we have to also celebrate it? Gay pride parades? Really? Why are we celebrating a sexual orientation? Who fucking cares? There should not be a fanfare about it.

Off-topic a bit but to say that the trans issue has definitely made me look at other things differently and reevaluate some of them...

 

[Sissyagamben]

The trannies got me thinking about the LGBs, so this is a bit of a tangent, but I never really thought much about homosexuality being problematic before the trans thing--which totally grosses me out on such a fundamental level that I don't even think it's necessary to rationalize it. (transism, that is)

However, once I started seeing the 'slippery slope' thing, I started thinking... Why the fuck isn't being accepted enough? Or tolerated? Why do we have to also celebrate it? Gay pride parades? Really? Why are we celebrating a sexual orientation? Who fucking cares? There should not be a fanfare about it.

Off-topic a bit but to say that the trans issue has definitely made me look at other things differently and reevaluate some of them...

First of the seven deadly sin pride… there’s this one tweet that was like if Jesus is here now he’ll be in the pride parades. Nigga maybe he’ll go march in the greed lust envy gluttony wrath and sloth parade next?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The trannies got me thinking about the LGBs, so this is a bit of a tangent, but I never really thought much about homosexuality being problematic before the trans thing--which totally grosses me out on such a fundamental level that I don't even think it's necessary to rationalize it. (transism, that is)

However, once I started seeing the 'slippery slope' thing, I started thinking... Why the fuck isn't being accepted enough? Or tolerated? Why do we have to also celebrate it? Gay pride parades? Really? Why are we celebrating a sexual orientation? Who fucking cares? There should not be a fanfare about it.

Off-topic a bit but to say that the trans issue has definitely made me look at other things differently and reevaluate some of them...

Pride parades are and always have been about pushing, wheedling, whining, bargaining, and eventually removing your boundaries.

That's why the assless chaps (which are not shocking anymore, so now it's guys in dog costumes on leashes etc) that's why the sneering mockery of your mild questioning and objections ("what's wrong with YOU are you some kind of PRUDE or HATER?") that's why it's "never enough" and seems to get a little worse every year.

Rather than having you read any conservative or religious tome, I'd commend the works of security expert Gavin DeBecker. You'll recognize the gay movement's tactics when he describes the MO of a criminal working on a scam or abduction.

The whole thing is made to make you second-guess all the things you were born knowing. Including right from wrong.

 

[AMHOLIO]

. Fart jokes for children, sex jokes for adults.

And also fart jokes for everyone. Because we are all children inside.

Who fucking cares? There should not be a fanfare about it.

Back in the day they meant more since you'd get beaten for it. Now it's an excuse to drink and party like most holidays, except with more sex and wild degeneracy.

and sloth parade next?

Nah, we're putting that off for a bit. Like, next week at least. Maybe more.

 

[Wallace]

something ill never understand about trans people is why they feel this insane need to force people to accept them. they always talk about how they just wanna live a normal life but seem to not realize that life is never perfect. you are not gonna make everyone like you no matter what you do. you could save 900 puppies from a burning building and at least one person is gonna hate you for it.

What really boggles my mind aside from...well, pretty much everything because it's all absolute lunacy, is why trannies seek out so much help from peers for their transition. Shit like how to sound more like a man in texts, or ideas for names, or what to wear and how to act generally.

Because troonery requires crowdsourced validation. It's a maladaptive coping mechanism that they use to cope with their own doubts and fears.

Troons cope with the inherent doubts and cognitive dissonance of pretending to be someone they are not by encouraging others to do the same. An enormous amount of mental energy is devoted to the crowdsourcing of validation and firefighting of anything that triggers internal conflict, which is always nagging in the back of the mind. Therefore, troons require—and demand—a constant supply of affirmation to keep the doubts at bay. The advantage of a morally unassailable motte and ideal leverage for emotional blackmail is how they do it.

When this need is not met, they blame others for their sudden anxiety as the illusion is threatened, and seek to reassert control, typically by emotional manipulation. Not giving them validation is the equivalent of giving a shot of Narcan to an addict.

Naturally this is going to make you unhappy. Not only does it cover up the real problems, but now they also have to run a Red Queen's Race to keep up the fantasy. Failure to do so results in the wound being reopened, and of course the cult tells you that this is the other party's fault; they are betraying you because they are evil. It's an exhausting way to live.

And this is why it can never be "enough". Like a bucket with a big hole in the bottom where all the acceptance and affirmation flows out. They are wholly dependent upon other people to keep feeding them affirmation, because they can't give it to themselves.

When a person is at peace with themselves and expressing themselves naturally, they don’t desperately micromanage everything and everyone around them, nor do they fall to pieces at the first hint of their identity being an elaborate fantasy. Hence the need for a hugbox of affirmation to keep up the mental defenses against the real source of their problems.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Which isn't surprising given homosexuality in general is a white phenomenon. Given that white majority western nations are the only ones with widespread LGBT support.

Isn't this contradictory with the previous statements though that non-white troons are usually homo? I don't want to turn this into a off-topic political sperging - but at least if you're going to make a point about how the homosexuality acceptance is a perversion not found in more "traditional" culture, then the comments preceding yours are on the contrary of your statement.

Black, Latino, and Asian MtF transsexuals in the West are still majority effeminate gay men. You'll find them in female dominated careers. The programmer troon is exclusively white.


Part of it is as Geoform 187 said. The other half is the paraphilia known as autogynephilia in which a man, usually heterosexual, is sexual aroused by the thought of himself as a woman. According to the sexolgists who coined the term autogynephilia 70% of MtF transsexuals in the West today are autogynephilics. AGP seems to be a paraphilia that is mostly found in white males.

Ironically Blanchard actually support AGPs to troon out. And the person who wrote "Man Trapped in Men's Bodies" who worked with him is a troon. Being self-aware about it doesn't change the fact that you're demanding others to play along even implicitly. You cannot have cake and eat it too.

I think fucked up paraphilias and even the "nerd mindset" that lead to someone becoming became detached from physicality could be from alienation and isolation brought to us by individualist culture. Depends on who you ask, this may come from the Protestantism, Enlightenment, or from industrialisation and capitalism. It's just that the idea that all that matters in life is your personal desire and that social ties are a shackle, as well as solipsism and the idea that the mind trumps the body and any physical reality.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Isn't this contradictory with the previous statements though that non-white troons are usually homo? I don't want to turn this into a off-topic political sperging - but at least if you're going to make a point about how the homosexuality acceptance is a perversion not found in more "traditional" culture, then the comments preceding yours are on the contrary of your statement.

No, it isn't contradictory. It isn't acceptable to be gay or not-straight in most non-white nations. Non-white troons, troon out because of the prejudices of their home culture/nation. If it was acceptable to be a gay in these nations, than those gays wouldn't troon out. However because there is widespread acceptance or at least tolerance of gays in white majority nations, only AGPs and whatever the female equivalent is, troon out. And given that most homosexuals in white majority nations, are white. It stands to reason most AGPs are also white. Not that white males have a predisposition to trooning out over non-white males.

 

[Transbian Fluffer]

Some interesting posts in this thread. Thanks to the OP for starting it. I was reading with interest the last few posts and felt like commenting on them. First of all it seems to be some confusion about why the vast majority of gay men seems to be white. The issue is that people mix up gay with homosexuality. The latter is found at equal levels all over the world,in every community,from the talibans to the eskimos. It never surpasses max 4% of the society but its at the same low level everywhere.

The GAY lifestyle of the US and the west is very much white and no one saw that clearer than the black homosexuals. To become GAY one became white. The reason for this was that all those white rural boys who loved to suck cock was not accepted in their communites and fled to the larger cities around US(and same in Europe) and made their own ghettos in New York and SF. There they could be white boys loving other white boys. Every prejustice they had against black people from their homes stayed with them and the recreated a white community for homosexuals. And this became the gay culture. Thats why the black homosexuals never integrated into the gay lifestyle.

Ive read a fair share of gay authors during my time and the white writer Edmund White and the black poet Essex Hemphill touches upon this subject now and then. So the GAY lifestyle is a white invention which non-whites never were welcome into. They Gay-movement were not inclusive in the 70s and 80s. But black and every other group in the world had just as many (closeted) homosexuals as white folks do.

 

[Nanashi no kiwi]

Black, Latino, and Asian MtF transsexuals in the West are still majority effeminate gay men. You'll find them in female dominated careers. The programmer troon is exclusively white.

Counterpoint: Programmer troon par excellence Elliot "Liz" Fong-Jones, who spent half of last year on a personal jihad to bring the Farms down.

I'd say the programmer troon is an exclusively Western (and middle- or higher-class) phenomenon, regardless of race/ethnicity.

Which isn't surprising given homosexuality in general is a white phenomenon. Given that white majority western nations are the only ones with widespread LGBT support.

Homosexuality and "LGBT support" are not at all the same thing, duder. Just look at Saudi Arabia, which is gay as fuck despite homosexuality being potentially punishable by death there, or the prevalence of bacha bazi in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. There's a difference between what is done behind closed doors and what is condoned in public.

something ill never understand about trans people is why they feel this insane need to force people to accept them. they always talk about how they just wanna live a normal life but seem to not realize that life is never perfect. you are not gonna make everyone like you no matter what you do. you could save 900 puppies from a burning building and at least one person is gonna hate you for it.

Agreed. I'm old enough to remember when the trans rights movement was primarily about the right to live one's own life without harrassment, even if other people don't understand. Time was that the attitude of many (male) trannies was "As long as I'm not hurting anyone else, I have the right to live my life the way I see fit, and screw the haters." That sort of mentality has a certain cultural resonance in the US, which is why I think so many Farmers (myself included) and members of the general public now labeled "TERFs" would once have considered themselves accepting of transgender people back in the day. Same goes for pro-trans boomers.

At some point (maybe around 2010 or slightly thereafter?), the focus shifted from this little-l libertarian emphasis on personal freedom to "validation", which you can't have without forcing others to get involved. My personal gut feeling it that it's a product of online communities like Tumblr and its largely female proto-SJW userbase. (With apologies to female Farmers, the focus on validation seems to me to be much more of a female thing than a male thing – feel free to call me a scrote and tell me why I'm wrong if you disagree.) The personal-freedom-focused rhetoric of "I'm living my own life" has shifted to the other-oriented "My gender identity is valid!"

Valid, valid, valid. I never used to hear that word, and I've known multiple trannies over the years (there's another term that never used to be "problematic"). There's a palpable difference between old-school trannies and new-school "trans women".

...sorry if I'm rambling a bit; it's a slow Sunday evening and I've had a few.

 

[Inside your walls]

Since I'm seeing lots of talk about drag queens, especially due to a recent happening, something was on my mind.

Every time there is pushback against drag queens and troons, especially the idea of them being around children,
the trannies and their supporters use the good ol' whataboutism "OK BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS?" as some "epic own", despite
that being equally bad as drag queens and troons being nonces towards children.

What they fail to realize why the whataboutism argument with catholic priests, they constantly use as some "gotcha" every time
there's pushback against drag queens falls flat and fails, because of one thing. Conquences.

When the whole sex scandal with Vatican and Catholic church happened a decade ago, there were massive conquences for it.
People went to another church or completely abandoned it, the trust between the church and people hit the all time low.
Not only these conquences hit the church, but its followers too. Every time a Christian chimes in on a topic of morality, there will be always
someone that will tell them they have no place to talk because of some crusty sick old fuck used his position of power to exploit and abuse children a decade ago.

But every time there's a sex scandal with a drag queen or troon and children, there is never ever conquences for that.
Every time something like that happens, the media ready to defend these people by pumping out fluff articles
how trans people and drag queen are wholesome or how this scandal is actually some ploy by right-leaning TERFS to
groom people into their bidding.

This whole aftermath of the shooting is a prime example of what I said above, they are puking out
articles about how the actual victims aren't children and elderly teachers but traaaaaaaaaaaans people, how despite some Aiden spraying
defenseless people and children with bullets we must be considerate and kind to traaaaaaaaaans people.

Ask yourself did the media ever publish an article during the whole Vatican incident that went
something in lines of "Sexually abusing children is bad, but THE FEELINGS OF PRIESTS MATTER MORE"

People aren't allowed to make the same uproar like they did with Vatican and the church, they aren't allowed to hold members of the community
who enabled this in the first place accountable or they're labeled as bigots. They are expect to turn the other cheek, keep smiling and just go with the program.

 

[Rapunzel]

Why do they splash their junk literally everywhere for the public to view and then bitch when we comment about the gross falling off rot dog or vomit inducing blown out ball sack tunnel?

'Is this perverted, botched fake vajayjay normal and cis looking'?

'Christ no Jewel Amethyst Spirit Chardonnay, for the love of God put your nappy back on and stop shoving that rotten stink hole in our faces'.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

As for the ratio of "Failed men/Women to "Clout chasing metagaming tranny" We should also figure out where, and what group this tends to stem from in the first place. That place being the upper middle class leftist spheres. These individuals tend to side with Envious ideologies as well. Like how many trannies have you seen on this site that tend to either lean Communist, or anti-authority standpoints? When looking at this you can see that a vast majority of these trannies (From the United states at least) are from the west coast states

I largely agree with your post but I do not believe that clout chasing is a part of it, at least in my understanding of the term. People will do a lot for clout but no sane person will turn their cock into an enhanced prison wallet for it. I don't believe it's always tied to wealth either there's a lot of broke ass troons out there. I do, however, believe there is a racial component.

Western Kids today are brought up believing that recorded history starts after World War 2 (With ancient artifacts here and there telling of how the white Devils brought the Holy African Race [Praise Be + So Sorry] over on cotton-powered slave barges) until His Holy Majesty MLK used his Melaninomancy to banish the evil Moustache Mage into the shadow realm and now we live in the wonderful world depicted in the "I'd Like To Buy the World A Coke" commercial.

These largely White kids who are already pretty fucked up from their life experience see through this saccharine rhetoric pretty easily but the media, the politicians, the educators, the entertainers, the advertisers are all telling them in one way or another that they actually have it great because of their race and that modern society is actually totally cool m*n! Like, nothing matters m*n just have fun and become a cog in the industrial machine, eat the bugs, they're delicious! Coom away my dude! Did you see the newest episode of Diversity Show as featured on Content Mill+ for Afro-Latino Muslim Pride Decade??? No, It couldn't be that every adult in their life is a deluded midwit, it must be they that are wrong!

They walk downtown and see the buttsex flag on every building, they go home and their parents are doped-up into the fourth dimension. Some become drug addicts themselves, some become wiggers, some become incels, some join fringe political movements and some, who might have otherwise just been a faggot of lesser magnitude decide that they must become the minority to fit into this brave new world that has such people in it.

Spoiler: Racism Bit

This is also what happens to the minority troons but honestly there's just less of a tragic element there from my point of view. They just got roped into our decadent society by their parents/grandparents who came here seeking a fat paycheck. I am not sympathetic TBH fam cut your dick off Alejandro like I give a shit.

TL;DR - Basically it's just broke or otherwise disadvantaged, groomed fags with no dads, mental illnesses, a shitload of trauma and a fundamentally broken understanding of how the world works trying their hardest to have something that will validate them and allow them to be included and celebrated in this draconian hellscape of a society. They aren't 41% ACKing because they became troons, the trooning was the last chance to stay alive and bluepilled. Some people cannot handle looking into the abyss. Sorry if this came off as blackpilling this Nashville shooting has me on TTD right now I physically cannot prevent the vitriol from escaping.

PS: fuck the Capellen Confederation - the Taurian Concordat is going to grind you slant-eyed commie fucks into breakfast sausage and use your bastard mechs for spare parts.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Why do they splash their junk literally everywhere for the public to view and then bitch when we comment about the gross falling off rot dog or vomit inducing blown out ball sack tunnel?

Reddit is private in their minds because no one they know IRL talks to them about it. It's easy to get too lost in a chat to remember you're in public when jannies ban any negative thoughts.

My personal gut feeling it that it's a product of online communities like Tumblr and its largely female proto-SJW userbase. (With apologies to female Farmers, the focus on validation seems to me to be much more of a female thing than a male thing – feel free to call me a scrote and tell me why I'm wrong if you disagree.)

I myself am a roastie who used tumblr and I totally see your point. They're at least a part of the problem in shifting cultural norms.

 

[Am I Very Wrong]

When you think about it, trooning out seems to be mainly centered around the female sex.

Autogynephiles are obsessed with women and sometimes want to rape them/hurt them. Faggots want to imitate them but it's not like many try their hardest; maybe hating their own bodies isn't the core issue

Female troons on the other hand are usually all about rejecting their womanhood, which is why they're 9 times out of 9 non binary.
Fuck, look at what they do in the pooner thread (or don't). the hate for their bodies is the core issue, not the wish to become something else.

I don't think it applies to all cases but it seems very prevalent.

Anyway, i think "gender identity", for women, is mostly just rejection; they're often very vague (nonbinary), because they're not telling you what they are, they're telling you what they don't want to be.