Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[AMHOLIO]

When you think about it, trooning out seems to be mainly centered around the female sex.

You got it. Your username is not true, you are very right. There's women who just have autoANDROphilia and of course autists and brainlets who's only reason for trooning is their friends doing it and/or its the only way to engage in gendered activities not in your gender ( ) but you can bet your britches that most troons on this site will be covered by what you said.

because they're not telling you what they are, they're telling you what they don't want to be.

I'm not going to lie, I'm friends with some nonbinaries who don't make it their entire life and sadly this seems to be the big case. They're lovely women and good friends, but they have mental problems they don't always address. The good news is they don't go and force normies to respect their authority and haven't taken hormones, just dressed how they wanted and are just themselves outside of they/them. They're also aware that being a cis woman is different than a trans woman, but never say it out loud, just understand females. Again, it sucks because I can't make them realize they don't need to be or have to identify as they them, they have to do it themselves, and I can't bring them to confront issues they don't want. Losing friendship over yelling "use she/her" is retarded in my eyes when they're not politically obnoxious.

Anyway, sorry, got off topic, had to vent a little. I was trying to say female troons tend to break my heart more when it's obvious that this is the case. Some grow out of it, sometimes after they damaged their body, but it's better to get past it and accept yourself rather than stay with loonies. Don't have sympathy for attention whore lolcows or general assholery though, don't get me wrong, I'm just soft on women insecure about being women because I felt that too at one point.

 

[Bookwork]

In ancient tymes - the 1980s - a swarm of anthropology lite books emerged like Birnbach's Official Preppy Handbook, Barr & York's Official Sloane Ranger Handbook, MacColl & Wallace's To Marry An English Lord, Guest's The Debutante's Guide to Life, and the Ravette series of bluffer's guides to help you pass as an insider in theater, television, journalism, academe, espionage, gambling, etc.

My grandmother collected them and I used to evade uncomfortable cross-examinations by the aunties at holiday gatherings by crouching next to the bookshelves and laughing my way through the books. This was perhaps the start of my kiwi-ism - looking at subcultures and their adherents with a curious and mirthful eye.

Are there 2020s equivalents? I'm thinking any authors and publishers would be canceled and swatted for the Official Transtrender Handbook or The AGP's Guide to Life, but the need is so great, not within troonworld but without it. Organized laughter is healing laughter.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

In ancient tymes - the 1980s - a swarm of anthropology lite books emerged like Birnbach's Official Preppy Handbook, Barr & York's Official Sloane Ranger Handbook, MacColl & Wallace's To Marry An English Lord, Guest's The Debutante's Guide to Life, and the Ravette series of bluffer's guides to help you pass as an insider in theater, television, journalism, academe, espionage, gambling, etc.

My grandmother collected them and I used to evade uncomfortable cross-examinations by the aunties at holiday gatherings by crouching next to the bookshelves and laughing my way through the books. This was perhaps the start of my kiwi-ism - looking at subcultures and their adherents with a curious and mirthful eye.

Are there 2020s equivalents? I'm thinking any authors and publishers would be canceled and swatted for the Official Transtrender Handbook or The AGP's Guide to Life, but the need is so great, not within troonworld but without it. Organized laughter is healing laughter.

I believe this is the title you are looking for

 

[doodoocaca]

I'm starting to think that a similar effect underlies furryshit and troonyshit. Thankfully, in the former case, furryshit doesn't have Species Reassignment Surgery, fursuits are stupid, and greasy nerds are easy to mock, so it stays fairly low key. Troons, on the other hand, attached themselves like leeches to the ass of greater faggotry, Which Counts And Is Valid And Is Important™, which facilitated medical interventions.

Furryshit, in a nutshell, is wanting to be something you're not, but also wanting it really really badly, pretending to be that impossible thing, living through shared pictures of it, shared fantasies, shared chatfucks and roleplays, and being an imaginary coomer in your paracosm of SatAm cartoons. Sometimes, also fucking the dog I guess. Due to this, Furries have an incubated fandom (fandumb? mass psychogenic illness? cringe corral?) that lives like this, sometimes to the exclusion of normal socialization, that would absolutely erupt just like the troons if it was ~validated~.

Troons also really badly want to be something they aren't, live through drawings, chatfuck, coom out, and so on too. This grew and kept a sizeable cohort that erupted due to the ~validation~ we've seen over the past few years. As it became mainstreamed, people who spent too much time "roleplaying" with one hand tried to become the thing they were pretending to be online.

So, I ask - is this true? What holes can the Kiwis poke in it? With this knowledge, does this inform treating and preventing? We know that telling people to knock off cringy bullshit and giving them healthy interactions goes a long way. What else is missing besides a healthy dose of reality?

 

[Aunt Carol]

In ancient tymes - the 1980s - a swarm of anthropology lite books emerged like Birnbach's Official Preppy Handbook, Barr & York's Official Sloane Ranger Handbook, MacColl & Wallace's To Marry An English Lord, Guest's The Debutante's Guide to Life, and the Ravette series of bluffer's guides to help you pass as an insider in theater, television, journalism, academe, espionage, gambling, etc.

As the kids say, "memory unlocked."

The problem is modern-day polarization. Southern women would smile at A Southern Belle Primer, and were definitely part of the audience; you could give The Official Preppy Handbook to a preppy person as a gag gift. If someone wrote The Genderqueer Guide to Microaggressions, it could be funny and benign but the troons would be against it even if it was written by one of them, anyone performatively allied would be aghast, and the audience would only be the people who are anti-troon and who want to broadcast that. In Current Year, there is only worship or hatespeech, no in-between.


Really, someone should collate and publish the Kikomi comics. Cleaned up, with a little layout tweaking, they'd be great in a little square book as a one-sitting read.

 

[doodoocaca]

It's like those weird spack eyed dogs that many women coo over.

In regard to normies acceptance of the current tranny dogma, for most people being gay is as alien as trannyism, and all fits neatly under the same umbrella, if you don't think about it too much. Of course this is where the really insidious Queer Theory stuff gets into irl and schools especially.

Let's use CWC as an example!

People at those drag clubs tolerated him. According to witness accounts, he would try to flirt with young-to-middle-aged women and they would speak to him like a toddler showing you their macaroni art. "Oh sweetie, you're so valid and pretty! Who does your hair? I'm jealous of your makeup skills!" This is how middle-class liberal women get their kicks and virtue signal. It's how they all treat every maladjusted psycho in a dress and a wig. But I guarantee you none of them were giving him their number or address. Nobody was meeting him for coffee the next day. Nobody would ever let him babysit their kids. It's all a big freak show. People at those clubs are not making "friends."

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I'm starting to think that a similar effect underlies furryshit and troonyshit. Thankfully, in the former case, furryshit doesn't have Species Reassignment Surgery, fursuits are stupid, and greasy nerds are easy to mock, so it stays fairly low key. Troons, on the other hand, attached themselves like leeches to the ass of greater faggotry, Which Counts And Is Valid And Is Important™, which facilitated medical interventions.

I've noticed this too. I think both groups attract people who are insecure about others' perception of themselves and take to the internet in order to micromanage certain aspects of their identity. Furries also push this "everyone is unique and different" mentality with the infinite range of possible fursonas to LARP as, similar to genderspecial stuff.

Since furries aren't encouraged to irreversibly alter their bodies and aren't considered an untouchable minority, furryism can be more or less harmless in moderation; although, it often provides a gateway into deeper forms of insanity as many people within the fandom choose to live more and more of their lives in an online fantasy bubble. And just like troonism it tends to draw in actual degenerates with the promise of acceptance no matter what. Makes sense that there's a massive overlap between the two groups.

Something I notice with furries even moreso than troons is the insane porn addiction many of them pass off as "sex positivity". This is of course a thing in every online queer space but furries take it to shocking extremes to the point where their "memes" are just cropped porn images. I don't know why they consider this stuff appropriate within a fandom which is ostensibly friendly to minors - maybe the fact that they don't consider themselves an oppressed group allows them to care less about optics?

 

[Strangolapreti]

Question: Are trannies also racists who pretend to like niggers the same way regular people pretend to like trannies?

 

[Bookwork]

Question: Are trannies also racists who pretend to like niggers the same way regular people pretend to like trannies?

White troons mad black troons be so good at hookin

 

[AMHOLIO]

Question: Are trannies also racists who pretend to like niggers the same way regular people pretend to like trannies?

For male to fem, it's a decent chance. A lot of the terminally online used to be on 4chan and old racist reddit where shit got wild. There's a high chance those nerds are still scared or even antagonistic to black people, but they're antagonistic to anyone who questions them. You can look up "India Willoughby racism" for a boomer broadcaster who did a racism without the pol exposure. Anyone not a troon who doesn't look like them or isn't in their polycule is inferior.

FtMs tend to be much more sjw oriented so less racists hostile and more either "afraid of all people including black people" or condescendingly positive racists where they have the white woman's burden shit going on.

 

[Stoicism Is For Losers]

I'm so tired of the absurd power that has been given to troons, you have to nod and smile whenever they show up or you'll be treated like you just condemned people to the gas chambers. I dont hate them, I just feel sad for them because it's obviously a mental illness with the suicide and self harm and depression stats, but by piggybacking on the pride movement they managed to make their mentall illness into a protected identity. Now the "care" to treat it is just enforcing and enabling it with heart attack pills and genital mutilation. The suicide rate is so high because they aren't getting the care they need.

 

[Sissyagamben]

been looking back on many 2nd wave feminism stuffs lately as inspired by troonery, and although I still have respect for Greer, many of the things she was saying just doesn't apply today anymore. Many second wave were concerned with anorexia, plastic surgery, porn, and ofc, troonism, and they thought these were manifestations of patriarchy hating women.

I don't know how true it was before, maybe many of it were applicable, but troonery just doesn't only target women anymore. The wave we saw in the past decade and what's going on now almost affect two sexes equally. Surly there are some AGP, maybe a lot, but if we look at the Tavistock numbers it's almost the same, with a bit more girls. It's very clear that many of these boys hated the way they looked at their bodies, without it coming from mere sexual perversion. It is also very important to note that even though there were more girls who got referred, more boys in total were put through medical transition. If we are to see anorexia in a close category to troon, which I think is reasonable, then why are these boys so uncomfortable with their bodies if it's not the patriarchy? You can't even make the argument it's caused by the rising matriarchy, because there are very similar number of girls who have this dysphoria problem.

it is true that women in general are getting more cucked because narcissistic AGP are invading the bathrooms and sports etc, but if we look at "real" trans, the ones with dysphoria so strong they want to get castrated, seems like women and men most equally affected. Maybe we have more gender equality now than ever? lol

 

[AMHOLIO]

It's very clear that many of these boys hated the way they looked at their bodies, without it coming from mere sexual perversion.

It's not always easy to remember the more silent boys who get wrapped up in this when 70% of our current trans cows are super sexual. They exist, they just don't have threads since screaming about your fetishes and oversharing EVERYTHING is peak lolcow. The guys who don't get threads tend to be quite, and like their female nonbinary/masc counterparts, don't want to rock the boat, or even be seen. It bites.

 

[Goomatora]

So, I've noticed a general inconsistency in the troon community, very many of them seem to "not respect the pronouns" of troons that make a bad name for all of them (Like Chris Chan or Johnathan Yaniv, yet for some reason not the terrorist Audrey Hale???). Is it not internally inconsistent to pick and choose when someone's pronouns are valid just because you don't like them? You either recognize that all troons are living a lie (correct answer) or you believe that EVERYONE who says they're a troon is indeed 'heckin valid'. There is no in-between, you can't pick and choose.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

At the risk of sounding like a skitzo, hasn't anyone noticed something really weird about the recent tranny shooters?

A good deal of the time, the police take their sweet time, as if hoping that the shooter racks up as high of a body count as possible. In the hopes of using their deaths as political fodder.

But notice how quickly, how swiftly, law enforcement reacts to troon shooters. Either they rush right into the building to end it as quickly as possible, or they arrest the suspect before he even starts.

So, I've noticed a general inconsistency in the troon community, very many of them seem to "not respect the pronouns" of troons that make a bad name for all of them (Like Chris Chan or Johnathan Yaniv, yet for some reason not the terrorist Audrey Hale???). Is it not internally inconsistent to pick and choose when someone's pronouns are valid just because you don't like them? You either recognize that all troons are living a lie (correct answer) or you believe that EVERYONE who says they're a troon is indeed 'heckin valid'. There is no in-between, you can't pick and choose.

I've seen the opposite happening, that troons insist that the pronouns of rapists and murders be respected.

Yes, plenty of people get upset when this happens. "He murdered/raped people, and pronouns is what you're worried about?!" It's consistent, but it's much deeper than consistency:

It's because they realize that revoking a criminals "pronoun privileges" is an acknowledgement that being affirmed in one's gender identity is not a sacred human right at all, but a concession one gives to a willfully confused sped, in the hopes of avoiding an argument. If a criminal can be deprived of his pronoun privileges, so can anyone else.

That, and they also got skeletons in their closet.

 

[Quamdale Dingle]

At the risk of sounding like a skitzo, hasn't anyone noticed something really weird about the recent tranny shooters?

A good deal of the time, the police take their sweet time, as if hoping that the shooter racks up as high of a body count as possible. In the hopes of using their deaths as political fodder.

But notice how quickly, how swiftly, law enforcement reacts to troon shooters. Either they rush right into the building to end it as quickly as possible, or they arrest the suspect before he even starts.

There are lazy cops and hard working cops

 

[AMHOLIO]

There are lazy cops and hard working cops

I think there's probably more people being picked up for gun and bomb threats than we think, we just don't always get reports on swift arrests and cut off assholes. And stuff that isn't picked up right away that blossoms into something bad. Who knows, the USA is huge and as Dingle says, there are lazy and there are hard working cops.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Usually when a loved one or teacher turns in the potential shooter and he's thwarted before anything bad happens, it doesn't make the news beyond a third tier headline in the local area. The MTF WillyLilly guy only made national headlines because it was less than 2 weeks after a really shocking "man bites dog" female shooter that also happened to be a troon.

We also know that the FBI is actively recruiting people into doing these attacks. They were caught red handed setting up some schizo fatherless loser to do an ISIS attack at a Christmas tree lighting a few years ago and the media tried to sweep the whole "this thing was funded by the FBI who showed up at the scene with the bombs and handed him the detonator" aspect under the rug. But nonetheless because of that incident we know that back then they were actively trying to bait stupid mentally ill kids into doing ISIS attacks. What kind of attacks are they sponsoring now? Probably not troons. So when a troon goes apeshit they know it wasn't a regularly scheduled fakeout.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

There are lazy cops and hard working cops

Maybe not.

They want the "right" kinds of mass shooters to rack up a high body count, whereas the wrong kinds they'll put a stop to very quickly.

The FBI does not even keep track of BLM or anarcho-maoist terrorism by their own admission, they want to push the narrative it's mainly the right wing that is committing violence.

They're mainly targeting the right for political reasons, and they also want to be able to use mass shootings as political fodder for gun control, which is why they pay no heed to the shootings that occur daily in Californian cities or Chicago. An openly leftist shooter, or ESPECIALLY a troon shooter, throws a wrench in it.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

The only trannies I feel bad for are the ones who know it's a mental illness and truly seem to want to get on with their lives. It sucks. They have some sort of neurological disorder that we aren't yet sophisticated enough to blow away with the right cocktail of medication and therapy, and the medical industry has invented the barbaric process of trooning out as a horribly flawed "solution".

Tranny says, "yes, I have a mental disorder. It's painful and it haunts me every day. I don't want to troon out because I know how much it fucks your body up. I don't want to freak people out in the wrong bathroom, I wouldn't wish this shit on any kid, I just want to have a normal job and keep this madness away from strangers as much as I can", I'd call that a True And Honest Tranny. Hell, even if they start mainlining cross-sex hormones to help dull their issues while admitting it ruins their long-term health, it's not my disease to manage.

The absolute VANISHING minority who behave like this is indicative that the overwhelming majority is a fucking fetish.