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[Corbax]

It's bizarre how quickly animation changed, for the worse.
We went from having a few openly gay adults in cartoons in 2016, which was pretty good representation that was almost nonexistent in the decades prior....

Within like 2 years we started having tranny characters, and within another 2 years we started having full-on genderspecials... wtf???

Even the first major gay teen romance in a kids cartoon happens alongside an enbie and other gender shit, and as far as I'm aware there are more trannies in kids cartoons than major male x male pairings...
Even with Disney and Pixar, all of their gay shit so far (outside of Strange World) has been very minor and they have almost as much tranny shit as gay shit, even though trannies were barely even a thing before 2013.
How did this happen?

Simple: the slippery slope is real.

 

[TVB]

It's bizarre how quickly animation changed, for the worse.
We went from having a few openly gay adults in cartoons in 2016, which was pretty good representation that was almost nonexistent in the decades prior....

Within like 2 years we started having tranny characters, and within another 2 years we started having full-on genderspecials... wtf???

Even the first major gay teen romance in a kids cartoon happens alongside an enbie and other gender shit, and as far as I'm aware there are more trannies in kids cartoons than major male x male pairings...
Even with Disney and Pixar, all of their gay shit so far (outside of Strange World) has been very minor and they have almost as much tranny shit as gay shit, even though trannies were barely even a thing before 2013.
How did this happen?

Culture died by 2015 and things have gotten worse and worse.

 

[KingLiberty76]

Don't forget about the main character's Non-Binary best friend
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Butch Hartman would probably hate this shit so lto me it feels like this character was made specifically to piss him off

 

[SpiderBitch]

Hell, forget the gays even, Nickelodeon has little main black characters, and the ones that exist and are older often don't get serious relationships in the show.
Only example I can even think of is that Henry Danger sitcom, and it was left ambigous and the black one wasn't the main character.
Other than that main relationships where at least one of the characters is black are I think legit more rare than homoshit, even though there are far more black people in the population than gays and trannies.

We're really living in a clown world where gender and gay shit are somehow more common in media for children nowadays than black characters who aren't the teams nerd and/or comic relief, black love interests etc etc, even though self-proclaimed woke BLM people are the ones in charge now.

Even now that there's a black female main cartoon character in a non-preschooler show, it's immediately ruined by other cringe 'modern' and woke shit, rather than just letting it be a fun normal cartoon with a black main character, there have to be politics in the actual show itself, and it's a replacement of a previously white character.

 

[KingLiberty76]

Hell, forget the gays even, Nickelodeon has little main black characters, and the ones that exist and are older often don't get serious relationships in the show.
Only example I can even think of is that Henry Danger sitcom, and it was left ambigous and the black one wasn't the main character.
Other than that main relationships where at least one of the characters is black are I think legit more rare than homoshit, even though there are far more black people in the population than gays and trannies.

We're really living in a clown world where gender and gay shit are somehow more common in media for children nowadays than black characters who aren't the teams nerd and/or comic relief, black love interests etc etc, even though self-proclaimed woke BLM people are the ones in charge now.

Even now that there's a black female main cartoon character in a non-preschooler show, it's immediately ruined by other cringe 'modern' and woke shit, rather than just letting it be a fun normal cartoon with a black main character, there have to be politics in the actual show itself, and it's a replacement of a previously white character.

I remember Little Bill, but considering who it was made by they might not want to utilize him

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I miss old 2d animation yesterday after going on the Disney thread. Reminds me how good the 2d Disney movies were now Disney doesn't even look like their trying anymore.

to be fair, once movies started doing the whole 3d animation thing, it was only a matter of time before they stopped doing 2d. 2d was seen as old and outdated, and 3d was gonna be the future
then that became an old hat for disney and they started making the live action movies but where do you go from there?

 

[Oats12345]

to be fair, once movies started doing the whole 3d animation thing, it was only a matter of time before they stopped doing 2d. 2d was seen as old and outdated, and 3d was gonna be the future
then that became an old hat for disney and they started making the live action movies but where do you go from there?

Maybe not make your animated characters look like fucking shit!! For some reason Disney now hates pretty people and makes the ugliest characters I have ever seen. But to answer your question maybe they can go back to 2d animation and call it retro.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The answer that leads into the second: they were bullied in high school for being antisocial faggots and they now want to take it out on others.

I miss when antisocial faggots took their rage out with 12 gauges and tech 9s. Not drawing tablets and keyboards.

Butch Hartman would probably hate this shit so lto me it feels like this character was made specifically to piss him off

Say what you want about butch, but I think this new series will make even his most hardened critics forgive him. He may be a Bible thumper but I'd rather take 100 of those than just one more fucking enbie genderspecial Troon cry for attention created by the aforementioned antisocial fags.

 

[Commander X]

Unfortunately "animation fans" are the biggest enemy to animation as a medium. There's all of these people who say they want animation to be taken seriously and that it should be treated as art but none of them, especially the loudest ones, ever want to promote anything that uplifts the medium and proves its strengths, instead they keep putting the most mediocre, disposable slop, the grayest extruded cartoon-like product at the fore.

None of these people talk about any sort of interesting or boundary pushing works. They don't even talk about the surface level cool works that, while they didn't push boundaries, were still cool. They talk about fuckin' The Owl House, Craig of the Creek or Bluey. There's animation for children, and then there's childish animation, and the latter is what seems to occupy the time of the "Animation is for Everyone/Animation is Cinema" crowd.

 

[Oats12345]

Unfortunately "animation fans" are the biggest enemy to animation as a medium. There's all of these people who say they want animation to be taken seriously and that it should be treated as art but none of them, especially the loudest ones, ever want to promote anything that uplifts the medium and proves its strengths, instead they keep putting the most mediocre, disposable slop, the grayest extruded cartoon-like product at the fore.

None of these people talk about any sort of interesting or boundary pushing works. They don't even talk about the surface level cool works that, while they didn't push boundaries, were still cool. They talk about fuckin' The Owl House, Craig of the Creek or Bluey. There's animation for children, and then there's childish animation, and the latter is what seems to occupy the time of the "Animation is for Everyone/Animation is Cinema" crowd.

The same people cried when Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio won a Oscar and the fact that the shitty Turning Red movie didn't. These retards have no idea what actual art is or good storyline.

 

[TVB]

None of these people talk about any sort of interesting or boundary pushing works. They don't even talk about the surface level cool works that, while they didn't push boundaries, were still cool. They talk about fuckin' The Owl House, Craig of the Creek or Bluey. There's animation for children, and then there's childish animation, and the latter is what seems to occupy the time of the "Animation is for Everyone/Animation is Cinema" crowd.

And if it's the same jaded bullshit discussion on Bluey, MLP, Steven Universe, Star vs., Gravity Falls, Owl House, Loud House or Craig of the Creek, it's also the same exact discussion on SpongeBob, Family Guy or either DreamWorks or Pixar among other things.

The same people cried when Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio won a Oscar and the fact that the shitty Turning Red movie didn't. These retards have no idea what actual art is or good storyline.

Del Toro's Pinocchio was not product of Disney, DreamWorks, Sony, Nick or Warner, so of course they will bitch and complain like manchildren they are for winning the Oscar. They don't give a shit about actual writing and more of the ADHD-ridden visuals, which explains their total religious (and creepy) praise on Turning Red.

 

[LucasSomething]

Hello and please, i just watched that teenage kraken trailer and i hated it, i know everyone is aware of CalArts this and that but what is the name of this cursed artstyle that plagues so many movies nowadays, i cant take it anymore.




Big schnose, beady eyes, lack of chin, 100% round with no edges, bean shaped skull, looks like grub hub advertising etc. Is there are name for this type of wallace and gromit hybrid looking abominations?

 

[Oats12345]

And if it's the same jaded bullshit discussion on Bluey, MLP, Steven Universe, Star vs., Gravity Falls, Owl House, Loud House or Craig of the Creek, it's also the same exact discussion on SpongeBob, Family Guy or either DreamWorks or Pixar among other things.

Del Toro's Pinocchio was not product of Disney, DreamWorks, Sony, Nick or Warner, so of course they will bitch and complain like manchildren they are for winning the Oscar. They don't give a shit about actual writing and more of the ADHD-ridden visuals, which explains their total religious (and creepy) praise on Turning Red.

Although Dreamsworks did make the new Puss in Boots which I feel good have won an Oscar if Pinocchio hadn't been up for it.

But even than the dumbasses still wanted Turning Red as the alternative when it does not deserve any award but "the shit award"

 

[TVB]

Although Dreamsworks did make the new Puss in Boots which I feel good have won an Oscar if Pinocchio hadn't been up for it.

But even than the dumbasses still wanted Turning Red as the alternative when it does not deserve any award but "the shit award"

Well yea, when DreamWorks makes a good movie, they are really damn good. And not just the new Puss in Boots, but also Road to El Dorado, Megamind, the Captain Underpants movie, either Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD movies and especially The Prince of Egypt.

 

[Oats12345]

Well yea, when DreamWorks makes a good movie, they are really damn good. And not just the new Puss in Boots, but also Road to El Dorado, Megamind, the Captain Underpants movie, either Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD movies and especially The Prince of Egypt.

True DreamWorks puts good time and effort into their movies. Disney used to have that but now don't.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Is there are name for this type of wallace and gromit hybrid looking abominations?

>comparing this shit to Wallace and Gromit

Take it back, lad.

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

>comparing this shit to Wallace and Gromit
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Take it back, lad.

Yeah, do what the man says.

 

[Anonitolia]

>comparing this shit to Wallace and Gromit
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Take it back, lad.

Wallace and Gromit is definitely better but you can't deny there's heavy influence from it in this schlock
Even the fucking teeth look the same now, with how rounded they are and the way they're stuck in such wide bean-shaped smiles
It's like they took all the questionable elements of Gromit and forced them to fuck CalArts, resulting in this abominable invasion of bee-stung faces with huge schnozzes

EDIT TO AVOID DOUBLEPOST: To add onto this, Wallace and Gromit is consistent in that every single thing adopts this softer, clay-like look (lmao I wonder why). Bird beaks become soft triangular cones, dog noses (which are usually more triangular and sharp) become round and clown-like, etc etc.
Most importantly, hair does not look realistic. It looks clay-like and almost completely solid, with very rare exception. The backgrounds are also noticeably affected by this, with many objects being devoid of excess detail and almost looking toy-like in places (again, very obvious as to why, but it still contributes to the stylistic image of the films). See:

Even in a film like Chicken Run, where the aforementioned conical beaks are more detailed because the main characters need more variation in expression that the cones can't provide, it never leaves the realm of soft stylization and only vaguely resembles its realistic counterpart (even if I still find it kind of uncanny). Feathers are rarely emphasized, realistic materials only come from entire objects instead of different parts of characters, and everything is fit into a clay-like mold.

It's also worth noting that Aardman forgoes most permanent facial hair to instead opt for physical stretching of the face, like having skin-unibrows to convey emotion usually expressed by eyebrows. They stretch and squash character proportions to convey expression, not to permanently stylize how the proportions are handled. Many characters remain proportioned reasonably like a normal human, with most of the exaggeration going towards the face (and the hands, for some reason).

Whereas this awful new wave still tries to be "realistic" to appeal to the faggots who're watching this and genuinely think raytraced Unity with hyper-realistic grass is the peak of graphical performance. It's uncanny- it's cartoonified proportions and realistic background mixing with psuedo-claymation 3D that's also trying to be 2D with its exaggerated expressions and physical comedy. It's a shit ton of stylistic clash that looks AWFUL and is arguably even worse than CalArts itself (AT LEAST THAT HAD SOME CONSISTENCY).

Look at this (first) picture. This is a cartoony man amongst realistic cars that are significantly smaller than him walking on a realistic road in a realistic city with realistic lighting. His hair is animated in such a way that you can almost see the individual bristles of his realistic mustache, and he's wearing realistic clothes.
But his proportions are completely abnormal. His head is shaped like a bowling pin, his cheeks and nose look like they've been badly stung by all manner of vespoids and left untreated for months, and his eyes are unnaturally small compared to everything else (including his glasses, which are typically meant to emphasize the eyes instead of draw attention to how fucking small they are like they do here). His ears are barely visible, while his lips are enormous- with them taking up a solid 1/3 of his face (with another 1/3 being dedicated to his fuckhuge nose). This is does not change with expression- at least, not nearly to the same degree as Aardman- it remains consistent throughout most facial animation and is generally shown as "how the character looks".

Here you have the same problems. Hyper-realistic fur on cartoony proportions on a very realistic background. And yet here you also see a mostly-simplified backpack (real ones usually have way more pockets; even the smallest ones have more detailing on the sides, like cupholders or other things) alongside a realistic briefcase, confusing the stylization further. The expressions are cartoony, the proportions are cartoony, the materials and background are all very realistic.

I'm nowhere near an expert on this shit, so take my irritated rant with a grain of salt, but this kind of constant clashing drives me up a wall and I needed to rant about it. There's Aardman influence here, but (again) it's like they saw an Aardman film once or twice, took its proportions and rounding of everything, tried to force their own realistic and anime shit into it, and then drew it with their usual CalArts style and expected it to work.

shitty rant on stylistic clashing and bad interpretation of good influences over

 

[LucasSomething]

>comparing this shit to Wallace and Gromit
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Take it back, lad.

I meant it as a "cursed hybrid", like they have wallace's nose fused into gromit head shape plus the overall roundness but i actually love W&G cause i (somehow) had the movie as a kid. W&G's artstyle is very unique claymation and the perfect mix of goofy and cute that looks great in motion, every scene you wonder how much fun the animators were having with it.

This modern style on the other hand looks soulless and even the "attractive characters" look extremely ugly. Everyone nowadays has noodle limbs and no shoulders, its like animators hate edges and didnt even try.

 

[A Grey Cat]

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Take it back, lad.

Yeah, do what the man says.
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Moe: wait you guys have guns?....uhhh so do I!

*backs into the shadows and pretends to pump baseball bat like a shotgun.*


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