Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Someone more familiar may be able explain how modern ammo is made, but I take it involves special machinery and not something that can be toggled on to make different caliber rounds on a whim.

It requires tooling. You need machines that turn brass or steel into cases of the size and shape you need. You need machines that make penetrators, lead cores, steel cores, copper jackets, etc. It takes time to set these up. Hornady makes 5.45 ammo in the US, I don't know if they're using their own cases or if they're buying cases from Russia or what, but that is THE ONLY brand I could find that makes 5.45 ammo. So the government would either need to get the tooling from them, or they'd need to make their own tooling.

Unless they expect the Ukrainians to be fighting 3 years from now there is ZERO reason to make that sort of investment, to spin up government production of an ammo caliber that is used exclusively by Russia and Ukraine. It would probably be cheaper and more efficient to just send more 5.56 ammo and writeoff M16's and M4's to Ukraine. At least the US knows how to make 5.56 ammo, not to mention has probably billions of rounds of it laying around in storage.

 

[moocow]

I'm beginning to think these people live in some sort of fantasy universe that has a very very slight resemblance to real life.

Holy shit, these people ARE stupid and have no idea how many different small arms the US military operates.

I blame modern video games for this. Particularly modern FPSes that brought us the retarded trend of "only two weapon slots and a couple magic spells," which conditioned players (including these idiot armchair generals) to think "we only have a few guns to choose from and everyone standardizes on [my favorite two] anyway."

Because we all know these faggots fancy themselves military geniuses because they've all played through that "No Russian" level in that one Call of Duty "Actual Reality" simulator.

 

[The Foxtrot]

The problem with making Soviet munitions for the Ukraine in the USA is not just setting up factories, logistic chains, training workers etc.

It is also making something that will be only useful for a handful of years. If lets say Wakanda wants to buy russian ammo for its T34-s, will they buy the cheaper Commie rounds, or the more expensive American Freedom Bullets of Ukraiyne?

Not only would you be setting up new factories, but also ones with a very short lifespan. Biden maybe demwnted enough to do it, but even when done, these factories would be an economic drain or shut down as soon as the hohols fold.

Someone more familiar may be able explain how modern ammo is made, but I take it involves special machinery and not something that can be toggled on to make different caliber rounds on a whim.

Special machinery, special processes, and specific raw materials. It is, indeed, not something that can be toggled on or off. It's why standardized ammunition for a nation's military is a Really Big Deal.

 

[Halmaz]

It requires tooling.

That alone costs insane amount of money. Most normies have no idea how ridiculously expensive tooling can get.

 

[Harvard Covington III]

Notable American livestreamer Corinne Cliford (also known as Corinne IRL and Corinne IRT; she has a thread somewhere) has breaking news from the United States Capitol.

Women of color (White is a color) were brutally arrested as they peacefully protested for an immediate end to all American and NATO hostilities upon the world stage.

They call Putin a "thug" and a "dictator." Meanwhile, atrocities of false arrest under color of law are inflicted upon the American People. Our right to protest is part of our patrimony from our White founding fathers. That has now been taken.

But these ladies won't be dissuaded. They are demanding an immediate termination to all endless wars. Code Pink shall continue protesting until peaceful conditions ensue!

Telegram: Contact @corinneirt

t.me

 

[Stasi]

I blame modern video games for this. Particularly modern FPSes that brought us the retarded trend of "only two weapon slots and a couple magic spells," which conditioned players (including these idiot armchair generals) to think "we only have a few guns to choose from and everyone standardizes on [my favorite two] anyway."

Because we all know these faggots fancy themselves military geniuses because they've all played through that "No Russian" level in that one Call of Duty "Actual Reality" simulator.

It's fucking painful speaking to people like that. I can't remember if it was DMs or one of the threads but some mongoloid was adamant if the west sent enough toys the Ukes would destroy Russia. When I tried to explain that even if they did, you would just have a bunch of complex gear in the hands of untrained recruits rendering it almost completely useless.

This guy just didn't get it "well it's just pressing a button or something, how hard can it be, modern technology is made to be idiot proof". This is someone who would probably shit his pants in fear and confusion if you asked him to drive stick.

 

[Melight]

I've never quite understood why anyone—even a Fatmerican—would want to attach a scrotum to his truck.

In unison with all the peoples of the world, Luxembourg cries out for peace:

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General Mark Milley states that Zelensky's goals are impossible and will not be achieved:

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RIP to the French mercenary. Maybe he just got tricked into supporting the Nazis because he believed the Fake News. May God have mercy on his soul.

Not suprised that luxemburg calls for this (the other states agreeing probably being EU countries). The leaders we have are retarded but not retarded enough that they think they can justify rising cost of living to the proles for ever. At this point calling for peace is the move if they want to preserve their power.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Those goat fuckers understood the laws of nature which seem to still elude most of the current year occupants of the west which is why they won.

I don't know if there is their official twitter handle these days for PR matters but its topkek.

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John Kirby remains butthurt about the drone and cannot comprehend why Putin would give an award to somebody who put the US property at risk.

Spoiler: No, really.

“I don’t know of another military in the world, another Air Force in the world, that would award a pilot for smashing into a drone. If that’s bravery, then I guess they’ve got a different definition of it. Its ludicrous, its insulting,” Kirby said on Wednesday.

“In the Navy I grew up in, you don’t want to hit anything. Hitting anything’s bad for you. I’m sorry, I’ve got to throw the flag on this one. I have no clue why they would give a bravery award to a pilot who was at worst, maliciously putting himself and U.S. property at great risk, and at best, just an idiot,” Kirby, an admiral in the Navy, added.

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Didn't the hohols do this as well?

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[Harvard Covington III]

Daily Update: March 24
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have intensified the progress of denazification and demilitarization: ​

On the denazification front, the Zelensky-Nulan regime has been losing as many as 500 soldiers per day:



Meanwhile, in terms of demilitarization, more than 30,000 pieces of NATOkraianian heavy military equipment including warplanes, helicopters, drones, tanks, and many others:

 

[MrJokerRager]

I blame modern video games for this. Particularly modern FPSes that brought us the retarded trend of "only two weapon slots and a couple magic spells," which conditioned players (including these idiot armchair generals) to think "we only have a few guns to choose from and everyone standardizes on [my favorite two] anyway."

Because we all know these faggots fancy themselves military geniuses because they've all played through that "No Russian" level in that one Call of Duty "Actual Reality" simulator.

Weirdly enough, that started with Call of Duty 1 and 2, both based on WW2 lol.

They then continued it on into the Modern Warfare series.

The original Medal of Honor series, basically you could use any gun in the game.

 

[Makhno]

Isn't the RPG-7 ancient by now? It was fielded during the Vietnam War, if I recall correctly, possibly even earlier.
Why would anyone in the the US want to manufacture such a derelict weapon?

The browning M2 .50 has been in continuous service since 1933. Why would anyone in the US want to manufacture such derelict weapons lol. You fucking idiots who shoot off your cock holster without even doing a basic google search are insufferable.

*if you have no knowledge or experience about something you shouldn't allow yourself to have an opinion about it before you take the time to learn what you are talking about.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ramping up production is not simply pressing a button or building another factory like this is an RTS. This takes years and billions of dollars, along with the red tape that comes from building arms factories.

From this morning's NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/military-weapons-ukraine-war.html

The browning M2 .50 has been in continuous service since 1933. Why would anyone in the US want to manufacture such derelict weapons lol. You fucking idiots who shoot off your cock holster without even doing a basic google search are insufferable.

*if you have no knowledge or experience about something you shouldn't allow yourself to have an opinion about it before you take the time to learn what you are talking about.

To be fair that's actually the prevailing attitude towards older weaponry by the US Armed Forces officer corps. A round from a Browning M2 can kill just as well as one fired from a newer Wunderwaffe.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

After the successful Putin-Xi talks, European leaders are starting to realize where the wind is blowing and are heading to Beijing to bend the knee. Also, Macron has a convenient excuse to flee the country now.

We can’t lose China, EU leaders say

Xi Jinping’s blooming bromance with Vladimir Putin is freaking EU leaders out. Now they’re booking flights to Beijing.

www.politico.eu

We can’t lose China, EU leaders say – POLITICO

archived 24 Mar 2023 04:04:56 UTC

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[Makhno]

US Armed Forces officer corps

Oh you mean the university educated traitors who will shit themselves the first second they hit a real battlefield who in reality are just extensions of the rent collection arm of the military industrial complex to justify spending half our budget and over a trillion a year on a pathetic institution that cannot even defend our own borders because the scum who control the institution refuse to allow it to perform the primary purpose of a military since time immemorial. ROTC and the service academies trying to be the military Ivy League equivalent were a enormous mistake essentially putting narcissistic greasy pole corporatesque traitors atop the command hierarchy. Half the butter bars in the US military, and just about every ring knocker post 2008, are woke faggots and it only gets worse and worse the higher up the CoC you go nowadays as every being capable of critical thought is ground out of the command structure of the US military to make way for those who clap like seals for political agendas pushed by pathetic politicians and their parasite donors who pull their puppet strings.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

That alone costs insane amount of money. Most normies have no idea how ridiculously expensive tooling can get.

Tooling is just the top of the iceberg. For large scale production, most of the fixed assets are purpose built- you can't just go to Joe's Infrastructure Warehouse & Bait Shop and buy a fully formed industrial production line. You need space, you need machines, you need tools, you need permits, and every single piece of this costs time and money.

The ammunition crunch won't get better for the same reason the gas crunch didn't: suppliers will predict (correctly) that the furor will die down once Washington moves on to the next Current Thing, leaving them holding the tab for any infrastructure investments they made to support it. Womp womp

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I know that reposting Medvedev is essentially cheating, but this is a good one.

The fools in Europe wanted to arrest a foreign president, and on March 21 they will arrest their own in America. Take back your country, Americans! To battle! Destroy the tyranny of Washington! Send to the stinking dustbin of history a corrupt clique of insane swine-ukrophiles - the father and son of the Bidens! MAGA!

P.S. The post was posted at the request of US presidential candidate Colonel Daniil Fedorovich Trump.

...yes, it is absolutely real.

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[Rei is Shit.]

“In the Navy I grew up in, you don’t want to hit anything.

Unless you grandfather is an admiral, in which case you could ram power lines and get promoted!

That alone costs insane amount of money. Most normies have no idea how ridiculously expensive tooling can get.

Or how much time it takes. Anything reasonably complex will probably be 6+ months from decision to first off the assembly line.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

Don't worry! Soon all of it will be replaced by 6.8mm rifles, making it a problem of the past.

At least until they go back to 5.56mm because Private Shaniqua can't handle the recoil, can't carry as much 6.8mm ammo, and can't hit targets further than 100 yards.

Didnt they try to introduce 6.8mm in like 90s and failed miserably?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Oh you mean the university educated traitors who will shit themselves the first second they hit a real battlefield

Why yes, how could you guess?

I interrupt the ammo spergout with a video from our American Raccoon from Kherson on a ride with his friends

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🌰 Добрейшее утречко по уши в раскисшем чернозёме Наперегонки с Уралом по глинолину, если что вытащит 😊 Не теряйте нас, связи не будет. Путешествуем с @HersonEnot

t.me

You probably need to look for Russian language sites for that sort of thing. For example: https://копанина.рф/publ/1/avtomatnyj_5_45_mm_patron_kalibra_5_45kh39/17-1-0-736

Very neat site with lots of cool cutaways of various bullet designs and such.

That's what I was searching for! Thanks!

 

[ditto]

All possible perspectives on the recent allegations.

Gonzalo Lira had some prescient videos on James and the different types of videos he made aimed at different audiences. Unfortunately I think they were on his channel that got nuked.