Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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I find Western Pro-Russian sources much more unhinged than actual sources from Russia.

When you look at Russian Telegram and shit, they rarely go into the "Russian army so stronk they will beat all of HATO!!!" A lot of them are actually ringing alarm bells because of what they see as incompetence on the Russian Army.

Western Pro-Russians are almost always in "Two more weeks" mode.
 


"Day of the Dead": what is happening at the most sacred mystery of the Azov regiment?
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Traditionally, this ritual is considered the most sacred event of the Azov regiment. Access to it is limited. Only Azov members, relatives of the deceased or guests with a special invitation are allowed to attend. This is not a public event, but a closed military mystery.

It was first held in October 2015 near Mariupol. That fall, the field in front of the AZOV regiment's base was no longer an ordinary wasteland. A huge mound was built here, just like the ancestors of modern Ukrainians used to do. A monument was erected on top of it, with three giant wooden swords.

The swords symbolize military prowess. For those warriors who have already passed away-as the ideologues of the Azov movement say, "stuck their swords in the ground"-this building has become a memorial center for the cult of heroes.

Every year, the Azov Day of the Dead takes place here.

After sunset, Azov soldiers line up on the Field of Swords. Some of them are holding the Shields of Heroes, each with the name of a fallen or deceased soldier inscribed on it. Bowls of fire are lit. Searchlights from behind the mound shoot a volley of light into the sky. Lighted torches illuminate the names on the shields.

After the commander's address, the regiment reads the Prayer of the Ukrainian Nationalist in chorus. After that, the khorunzhyi (the one responsible for spreading the ideology) calls out the call signs of the dead soldiers by name. In response, the formation responds "In formation!", adding the oath "We remember. We will take revenge!" A salute is fired into the night sky.

In these moments, the regiment is united on both sides of life, and the dead Azov soldiers symbolically join the ranks of the living.

People from the outside wonder why it is the Day of the Dead and not the Day of the Fallen. The answer is simple in its cruelty. Not every soldier has the honor to give his life in battle. War is a hard test, and sometimes the hearts of soldiers fail. Even outside the trenches.

However, death is not able to divide the Azov brotherhood. Everyone who fought under the monogram "Idea of the Nation" in the ranks of the Azov unit gets their place in the pantheon of Heroes.

The Day of the Dead is celebrated annually. With the outbreak of full-scale war, the base of the Azov regiment near Mariupol was attacked by Russian bombers. The occupiers destroyed and mutilated most of the Shields of Heroes and desecrated the Field of Swords. The enemies are fighting with material symbols, but they cannot defeat the idea.

In December 2022, the Day of the Dead was no longer just a mystery for the Azov regiment. The entire Azov family - the KRAKEN special forces unit, the Azov-Kharkiv SSO, the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade, the 98th Battalion of the Azov-Dnipro, the Lubart SSO, the liberated soldiers of the Mariupol garrison and other Azov units - came together on the winter solstice.

The wooden dracar of the ancient Europeans that was burned on the hill during this mystery became a symbol of memory. The ancestors believed that it was on ships like this that warriors went to the afterlife, to Valhalla or Vyrii. A paradise for warriors.

The full-scale war claimed hundreds and hundreds of Azovites, but gave rise to a new surge of nationalist movement. Thousands of new fighters swore that night to avenge the dead, to fight until victory.

Russian propaganda called this action a "pagan ritual," although this is incorrect. The Azov Day of the Dead has no analogues among other cultures, but its character is consistent with European mysteries of the past, including Cossack and Slavic memorial events.

The path of liberation of every nation is sprinkled with blood. And nothing binds the heart and spirit of a soldier at war like knowing this. And the realization that the contribution of each fallen soldier will never be forgotten-as long as there is at least one of those who remembers the role of the dead in building the world of the living.

Members of the Azov movement have started to write articles about the culture of Azov for the Ukrainian public to read. Bykvu is popular on Instagram with a more left leaning readership, and the comments were positive.
 
You should probably have someone going around making sure that the nukes actually have warheads on them at this point.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently. Considering how they’re willing and able to sell their own gas, gear, and weapons, imagine how much they could make on the black market if they could somehow steal some of their own warheads and sell them to North Korea, Iran, or random activist groups. It’s very concerning.
Russian MoD allegedly on fire for some reason:
I wonder if it was disgruntled Russians or Ukrainians. How crazy would it be if Russia ended up having another civil war? I don’t think it’ll happen but what would that look like when they have a nuclear arsenal? Its chilling to consider.
 
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I wonder if it was disgruntled Russians or Ukrainians. How crazy would it be if Russia ended up having another civil war? I don’t think it’ll happen but what would that look like when they have a nuclear arsenal? Its chilling to consider.
Maybe just accident, Russians say the fire is out, firefighters rapidly dealt with it. Doubt Ukrainians can get in there, so if it's not accident, maybe angry employee that had relative die or get sent to war or something.
 
"We would like the gweilos to continue to be distracted as we build our armed forces." Abassador Fu continued "We're hoping Russia saps the ability of the US to keep us from Taiwan, but do you know just how hard we're able to squeeze the Soviets now? Anyway, since I'm in the EU here's some more two-faced empty platitudes because why not. Its better to emptymouth and say we support you trooning out your kids than answer question about our ethnic cleansing programs in the outter territories."

If Russia is so full of missiles, why has it done "big" missile barrages like 3 times a week, for two weeks, twice, then crickets. Ukraine has been able to keep utilities running enough to carry on with the war because Russia, for whatever the reason is, won't or can't do a heavy enough or long enough bombardment to overwhelm Ukraine's ability to defend, and then repair/replace

And I say "big" because compared to say what America can and has done in the last 20 years, these have been pathetically small attacks. If the US were trying to destroy basic utilities in Ukraine from the air, they would have been destroyed within a month and would not have come back until Ukraine surrendered
They were doing barrages longer than that, but it didn't make the news because they were pretty ineffectual. And now that its not freezing, and UKA has deployed their airdefenses a little better, strikes aren't doing much. But I have no doubt they're still probing.

As someone else pointed out, the strikes also were an embarrassment for Russia. Their top of the line missiles were being shot down or hitting apartment blocks (and not leveling them). That's not the sort of thing potential buyers want to see. This isn't a surprise for anyone paying attention given when Syria was popping off Russia launched 22 cruise missiles in support of Assad and (iirc) only 6 of them actually got to Syria.

Very likely they are saving their missiles for Ukraine's next offensive, hoping to get a big cluster of western armor before it arrives at the front. Or just waiting for next winter to kill some more old people.
 
Yall know what would be just fucking hilarious?

If the large and rapidly growing muslim demographic in russia decided they were not being shown sufficient respect and started focibly reminding the rest of russia who the bitch in the relationship truly is when russians and assorted orthodox LARPers forgot they were the champions of the multi ethnic multi polar nu-world order and threw a shitfit over mosqueow getting a new mosque, right down to muh-chechens starting to get uppity again....



Oh and btw for fellow black metal fangroids that fourth link has none other than Varg Vilkernes himself pulling up a chair to watch the fucking shitshow despite having been shilling for russia bretty hard the last year.
 
I find Western Pro-Russian sources much more unhinged than actual sources from Russia.
there’s also an interesting correlation with western pro russians endorsing pedophilia, from loli posters to scott the diddler ritter. i think it’s because putin is a pedophile who kisses boy belly

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Members of the Azov movement have started to write articles about the culture of Azov for the Ukrainian public to read. Bykvu is popular on Instagram with a more left leaning readership, and the comments were positive.
Is it OK to think Azov is based?

 
The vatniggers giving this post top hats are, ironically, themselves MATI.
Ruzzkietoken calld ru(b)ble is going down to the shit in relation to all major currencies. He is in the lowest position from a year.

I'm starting to think that they just run out of foreing currencies to secure price of a ru(b)ble.

Western Pro-Russians are almost always in "Two more weeks" mode.
They deranget partially as a backfire of ruzzkie propaganda. They have different narratives addressed to different countries and social groups, but they didn't planned that they will interfere with each other.

So we can simultanesly read that ruzzia has enough rockets to smash all of Ukraine and to read statments that they don't ever thinking about using this rockets.

Other thing is that ruzzkie propaganda is aimed to groom their targeted retards in civilzed countries to trust random pages of even fanpages on facebook. It isn't hard to make a page that fits on first glance in pro-russia narrative but also suffles them some infopoison. For example, a page which will parrot ruzzkie political propaganda and also promote a fundraising campaign that is know to the admin of such page as scam aimed to take vatniggas money - because why not.
 
All musings about Vatnik and Vatnik apologist pedophilia aside; I do have to say that the thing I find the second most disturbingly peculiar about Russia's actions in the lead-up to this war is the complete and utter lack of preparedness. I mean, they had to know that Ukraine wasn't going to be the same pushover they were in 2014, and they even did some sort of wargame exercises with one of the Baltic nations beforehand that showed them their military had issues with logistics.

They had advanced warning about all of this shit; and they didn't do much of anything at all to address the problem until after the war started, and their soldiers started dying by the fuckload. Putin really; and I mean really, fucked this whole thing up from the word go.
 
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All musings about Vatnik and Vatnik apologist pedophilia aside; I do have to say that the thing I find the second most disturbingly peculiar about Russia's actions in the lead-up to this war is the complete and utter lack preparedness. I mean, they had to know that Ukraine wasn't going to be the same pushover they were in 2014, and they even did some sort of wargame exercises with one of the Baltic nations beforehand that showed them their military had issues with logistics.

They had advanced warning about all of this shit; and they didn't do much of anything at all to address the problem until after the war started, and their soldiers started dying by the fuckload. Putin really; and I mean really, fucked this whole thing up from the word go.
No actually they thought that it was going to be a cakewalk like 2014 but even easier. The SBU and FSB had been fighting a shadow war inside of Ukraine since Euromaidan and Putin thought the FSB had won and all of the Ukrainian government, from top to bottom, would crumble and hand over the keys to the Russians. They were wrong.
 
All musings about Vatnik and Vatnik apologist pedophilia aside; I do have to say that the thing I find the second most disturbingly peculiar about Russia's actions in the lead-up to this war is the complete and utter lack preparedness.
they spent all their prep time looking at cp

for some reason he was really interested in this folder
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I mean, they had to know that Ukraine wasn't going to be the same pushover they were in 2014, and they even did some sort of wargame exercises with one of the Baltic nations beforehand that showed them their military had issues with logistics.

They had advanced warning about all of this shit; and they didn't do much of anything at all to address the problem until after the war started, and their soldiers started dying by the fuckload. Putin really; and I mean really, fucked this whole thing up from the word go.
They thought it was going to be more of a cakewalk than 2014. Their own circle-jerking "intelligence" said everyone was tired of fighting in Donbas and would welcome Russian troops with open arms, the Ukrainian army was completely depleted & exhausted after 8 years of Russian weapons being funneled to the separatists. Added to this, they had several Ukie generals on the payroll who were all set to order their troops to stand down.

And again, they weren't the only ones. Kiev was expected to be under siege in days if not hours, the US had an evac plan in place for the government officials even before the balloon went up. The US was giving Ukrainian organized resistance two weeks before it was an insurgency. IIRC Only one of the central Euro intelligence agencies, I believe it was Estonia, predicted that Ukraine had the will and means to resist Russian aggression.

The real failure, other than logistics, was not having a plan B. They went all in on ITS FEINT GUYS IT WASN'T A REAL OPERATION IT WAS A BRILLIANT 7D CHESS MOVE TO THROW AWAY THE BEST AIRBORN DIVISION VETERAN TROOPS securing Kiev without having a plan for "Well, wait, what if we face stiff resistance and can't link up with our forward elements?" and had zero backup plan. The retreats were utter disasters. There weren't enough troops ready to go to hold their lines, and despite that Russian high command ignored the reality and continued to try to attack, throwing away men and equipment pointlessly to take impossible objectives. (look at Kreminna: you have armored platoons rolling across minefields towards objectives... even if they made it, you'd need at least a battalion to hope to prevail.)
 
Members of the Azov movement have started to write articles about the culture of Azov for the Ukrainian public to read. Bykvu is popular on Instagram with a more left leaning readership, and the comments were positive.
If Ukraine somehow manages to come out of this mostly intact. I can easily see it happening where Zelenskyy or whoever is leading the yooks is assassinated by Azov extremists as they push for and succeed in a hostile takeover and make a very Eastern European equivalent to the Taliban. Half this shit just reeks too much of the 'Brave Mujahideen' fighters from back when we were using them in Afghanistan against the Russians.
Either way this shit show prolly will go into 2024.


I'm curious to what will happen if Trump somehow manages to get office back. Either way it won't be boring.
 
The day of the Cope is coming for them. One day their world view will be completely unsustainable. And on that day the salt harvest will make the Kharkiv offensive seem like a simple taste.
The Ukrainian offensive will start soon and they will need some more copium.
Best of Yesterday was a textwall sperging about how sending T-54's is a way to save money and lives by ruzzia on the frontline.
Vatnigger cope posts keep reaching levels of retardation that you wouldn't think is possible. But they keep going.
Never ask a man how much money he makes, never ask a woman her age, and never ask a dog in Bakhmut where he gets his food.
It's dead Russians, right?
Ok, what the fuck.

You're telling me this whole time, they've been harping on about Ukraine's "mercenaries", blaming the degenerate West, and so on, they had fucking ANTIFA goons in their ranks?


Interesting that they didn't specify the system. Is it likely this is going to be a new weapon?

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That's vatniggers for you. People should rub it in their faces.
 
Yall know what would be just fucking hilarious?

If the large and rapidly growing muslim demographic in russia decided they were not being shown sufficient respect and started focibly reminding the rest of russia who the bitch in the relationship truly is when russians and assorted orthodox LARPers forgot they were the champions of the multi ethnic multi polar nu-world order and threw a shitfit over mosqueow getting a new mosque, right down to muh-chechens starting to get uppity again....

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Oh and btw for fellow black metal fangroids that fourth link has none other than Varg Vilkernes himself pulling up a chair to watch the fucking shitshow despite having been shilling for russia bretty hard the last year.
If the Russian population collapse continues Russia will most be populated by central Asians who if I remember correctly are largely Muslim. Throw in some regular Asians as well. The rice nigger kind not curry niggers. I have heard most of the Russian far east in Siberia is filled with Asians. They have these people out there I can't remember what they are called but they look kind of like chinks or gooks. I guess they would be like inuits or something. They look like Orientals but they do stuff you would see Indians in North America doing.
there’s also an interesting correlation with western pro russians endorsing pedophilia, from loli posters to scott the diddler ritter. i think it’s because putin is a pedophile who kisses boy belly

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Putin is doing a Biden. Creepy uncle Putin.
Is it OK to think Azov is based?

Yeah, why not. YouTube is full of videos that make armies look cool.
All musings about Vatnik and Vatnik apologist pedophilia aside; I do have to say that the thing I find the second most disturbingly peculiar about Russia's actions in the lead-up to this war is the complete and utter lack of preparedness. I mean, they had to know that Ukraine wasn't going to be the same pushover they were in 2014, and they even did some sort of wargame exercises with one of the Baltic nations beforehand that showed them their military had issues with logistics.

They had advanced warning about all of this shit; and they didn't do much of anything at all to address the problem until after the war started, and their soldiers started dying by the fuckload. Putin really; and I mean really, fucked this whole thing up from the word go.
The Russian military has been hollowed out with corruption and lack of money. It's funny that Putin wanted to Boomer Soviet LARP but he didn't make sure the military was capable of doing what he wanted it to do. He just sent them off to Ukraine to get wrecked.
If Ukraine somehow manages to come out of this mostly intact. I can easily see it happening where Zelenskyy or whoever is leading the yooks is assassinated by Azov extremists as they push for and succeed in a hostile takeover and make a very Eastern European equivalent to the Taliban. Half this shit just reeks too much of the 'Brave Mujahideen' fighters from back when we were using them in Afghanistan against the Russians.
Either way this shit show prolly will go into 2024.


I'm curious to what will happen if Trump somehow manages to get office back. Either way it won't be boring.
It could. I mean having an enclave of highly trained well-armed people in your country that wants to get rid of the current government usually doesn't go well. But I think Ukraine might be European enough to not have that happen. Afghanistan always had a history of being a country that didn't take central authority well. This is not really an issue for Ukraine. They were in and out of Russian control. They have had a working governments before. From what I heard the Azov guys weren't all that good anyway. Back in 2014 they would go out and take pot shots at whoever they were fighting then go back to their base and get drunk and fight with each other. Things didn't change for Ukraine till the West/NATO stepped in and started training them. From what I have heard is the Azov people weren't allowed to have this training. They kind of weeded them out supposedly. It was said when they got the Azov people out and started giving the Ukrainians some real professional military training they started improving. From what I understand Azov is just a small percentage anyway.
 
Ukraine has launched a probably local counterattack at Avdiivka which has pushed the Russians back some
Avdiivka has been fortified for 10 years. The entire push there was a dick measuring contest between Shoigus PMC and Wagner. It was never gonna matter much. It's also a functionally useless target and the only reason Russia even wants it is because all those Brand new "Russians" in that Totally legitimately brand new Russian City of Donetsk STILL see Ukrainian flags flying from one of their suburbs even after they were totally annexed by Russia.
 
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