How our community handles death

[Effluence]

No problem. Whilst I'm not really interested in the ...typical antics of this community, I have a vested interest in the outcome of this matter.

So, if I can stick around and provide a bit more substance to what is essentially a 'necro-infodump. Well, Why not?

Oh, as a further aside. Fun Fact :: When Julie went postal, she did as much damage to Mike's online Presence she could- or at least claimed she did. She essentially stated she'd been keylogging him because... Y'know, I wasn't quite clear on that. Clearly, obsessively 'loving' someone justifies massive invasions of their privacy so you can pre-emptively plan retaliations.

So, when he left her, she flipped her stuff, deleted a bunch of his stuff, then went into hermit mode.

 

[VJ 120]

Honestly, there's a number of allusions to some of these things in her postings (the pregnancy thing has been touched upon repeatedly, for instance). But- if we're going to be completely straightforward, I was -one- of the guys she cheated on Mike with.

Anyways, the main reason I've been posting this, is to get Mike's attention- considering he checks this site somewhat frequently, and I just want him to know that some people out there know just how culpable he was in everything. It really is funny to see him say how much he loved her, in the face of it all.

Edit: I can wholly appreciate that you are not necessarily taking this at face value. But, Seriously- Julie -wasn't- subtle. She made posts on facebook when she was feeling awful, she would call her friends and acquaintances when she was suicidal, or felt like things were spiraling out of control.

When she called me with a clear plan of action towards self destruction, and why it was happening, I simply went through the motions of contacting those who -should- have been able to intervene. And then watched them all do nothing. Pity, pity.

Seriously, though- with the gab on her, why is it so surprising she talked to someone before she looped a belt around her neck. I wasn't the only one, either. She had contacted a few people in regards to her plans.

So, which of Julie's lovers were you? Zelda Guy, Jay, or some other weirdo in her life who didn't care enough about her while she was alive?

 

[Effluence]

I was trying to avoid that. But good call. I was Jay.

Specifically, I was the one Mike hated the most, and raged about a fair bit, since she'd go to me to tell me about whatever problems were going on in their lives at any given time. And my general advice of 'Find someone your age, who isn't a completely selfish man-child' was utterly ignored. *Shrugs*

Edited For grammar.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

gonna lock this until I get verification

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Yeah he's legit

 

[Effluence]

Basically. Feel free to look back on everything I posted- and feel that extra bit of Odium and disgust for Mike, and especially for her Family that had a nice big heads up she was planning on offing herself, and did nothing. Anyways, Laaaater folks.

 

[MW 002]

Basically. Feel free to look back on everything I posted- and feel that extra bit of Odium and disgust for Mike, and especially for her Family that had a nice big heads up she was planning on offing herself, and did nothing. Anyways, Laaaater folks.

I wonder if the OPP would take the pictures of Julie's marks and bruises as enough evidence for him to be charged on domestic violence due to the zero tolerance policy of the crime.

 

[HG 400]

Basically. Feel free to look back on everything I posted- and feel that extra bit of Odium and disgust for Mike, and especially for her Family that had a nice big heads up she was planning on offing herself, and did nothing. Anyways, Laaaater folks.

Thanks for dropping by, but I kinda liked having all our moralfags tore up with guilt over killing Julie and desperately making rambling longposts about how much they care about her and miss her and it wasn't really out fault, because they're embarrassing pissy faggots who deserve to feel bad.

Could you maybe elaborate on how we drove her over the edge and without sounding so forgiving towards us this time?

 

[Effluence]

Heh. It's actually funny. I can't even be -entirely- sure the people harassing her, her friends, and family of like herself and those immediately around her might not have even originated from this forum, so much as stumbled upon it, and taken advantage of the readily accessible information. I do know she was distinctly bothered by the sense of spectacle as time wore on, especially as the facets of her life that provided an illusion of stability (*cough*Mike*cough*) fell to pieces- and the manner in which she constantly seemed to fall short. But then, she also had a super shitty boyfriend to constantly remind her she'd never really be good enough.

That whole thing with his past flame? That's when the antagonising that came from here really seemed to start to hit home with her. And it never really got better from there, since Mike just continued to find new ways to be an abusive git to her.

But nah- I'm seriously cracked up at the people being like 'We absolutely did not contribute.' Like, seriously- you poke at a messed up teen, and some (not all) of ya enjoyed seeing just how much you could ridicule her, and try and make her squirm. She was in a bad spot. Additional pressure helped tip her over the edge. Sure, she might have cracked anyways had you not poked, or perhaps just delayed that til later, maybe not.

But the point of the matter, is that the folks that took the equivalent of a swing at her -liked- the idea of causing another human being to suffer. Denying it if you participated just makes you a -shittier- person than the people who were outright salivating for her to kill herself. Since you're basically an irresponsible, two-faced piece of shit that can't own up to the consequences of your actions.

In the end, however- I don't really feel that much irritation for this forum, given that some people here did try to help, some only spectated - and ultimately, her interactions here were partly of her own design. And none of you actively gave her instructions on how to kill herself, or were in an active position to prevent her suicide.

The responsibility for that latter bit. Now that rests on a few peoples heads. So yeah, not really feeling the righteous fury for you folks.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Basically. Feel free to look back on everything I posted- and feel that extra bit of Odium and disgust for Mike, and especially for her Family that had a nice big heads up she was planning on offing herself, and did nothing. Anyways, Laaaater folks.

Ok, so since you're legit, we've been having a lot of discussion regarding the specifics of her death, but few real facts. Mind filling us in on the gritty details?
I think you indicated at one point she strangled herself with a belt, rather than stringing herself up. Is that correct? If so, do you believe she intended to die, or just fucking up the so-called "choking game"? Where in the house did she kill herself? What sort of arrangements were made for her? Did her folks even give enough of a shit to send her off properly, or was that phoned in as well?

Heh. It's actually funny. I can't even be -entirely- sure the people harassing her, her friends, and family of like herself and those immediately around her might not have even originated from this forum, so much as stumbled upon it, and taken advantage of the readily accessible information. I do know she was distinctly bothered by the sense of spectacle as time wore on, especially as the facets of her life that provided an illusion of stability (*cough*Mike*cough*) fell to pieces- and the manner in which she constantly seemed to fall short. But then, she also had a super shitty boyfriend to constantly remind her she'd never really be good enough.

That whole thing with his past flame? That's when the antagonising that came from here really seemed to start to hit home with her. And it never really got better from there, since Mike just continued to find new ways to be an abusive git to her.

But nah- I'm seriously cracked up at the people being like 'We absolutely did not contribute.' Like, seriously- you poke at a messed up teen, and some (not all) of ya enjoyed seeing just how much you could ridicule her, and try and make her squirm. She was in a bad spot. Additional pressure helped tip her over the edge. Sure, she might have cracked anyways had you not poked, or perhaps just delayed that til later, maybe not.

But the point of the matter, is that the folks that took the equivalent of a swing at her -liked- the idea of causing another human being to suffer. Denying it if you participated just makes you a -shittier- person than the people who were outright salivating for her to kill herself. Since you're basically an irresponsible, two-faced piece of shit that can't own up to the consequences of your actions.

In the end, however- I don't really feel that much irritation for this forum, given that some people here did try to help, some only spectated - and ultimately, her interactions here were partly of her own design. And none of you actively gave her instructions on how to kill herself, or were in an active position to prevent her suicide.

The responsibility for that latter bit. Now that rests on a few peoples heads. So yeah, not really feeling the righteous fury for you folks.

Yeah, you're gonna see some mixed attitudes floating around about her, but we ultimately did contribute to her killing herself. On the whole, I think we're fine with that.
I will say I think most of the users here have accepted that yes, occasionally a cow might off themselves, and yes, we know that going in and have decided it's worth the risk for a laugh. I don't think most users wanted Julie to kill herself, nor were they terrified by the possibility she might. I can't speak for anyone else, but I feel like the general reaction to it all was just a resounding "meh".
Lolcows come and go. There will always be more.

 

[HG 400]

But nah- I'm seriously cracked up at the people being like 'We absolutely did not contribute.' Like, seriously- you poke at a messed up teen, and some (not all) of ya enjoyed seeing just how much you could ridicule her, and try and make her squirm. She was in a bad spot. Additional pressure helped tip her over the edge. Sure, she might have cracked anyways had you not poked, or perhaps just delayed that til later, maybe not.

But the point of the matter, is that the folks that took the equivalent of a swing at her -liked- the idea of causing another human being to suffer. Denying it if you participated just makes you a -shittier- person than the people who were outright salivating for her to kill herself. Since you're basically an irresponsible, two-faced piece of shit that can't own up to the consequences of your actions.

The funny part is the worst of us who are laughing at how dead she is now didn't even follow her thread or comment there in the first place. It's the people who posted the giant crying screeds about "IT WASN'T OUR FAULT" who did all of that and obsessively archived her vagina pictures and yelled at her for being garbage, hahaha. They killed her. They might have well tied the noose themselves.

Especially @juntaro who set them on her.

 

[Effluence]

It was actively suicide. She and Mike were not together at the time, and she had been actively -trying- to ask me for advice on how to kill herself the last time she called me. I was extremely unhelpful in regards to that, then casually turned around and called the cops, and then fired off some messages to her family. Her family took 2 days to respond, because they did not give a fuck.

To my knowledge, she hung herself with a belt. Like. Hung. -However- that knowledge is based off what I could gather from the family through my own snooping.

That said- I don't have an interaction with that family. I -could- likely choose to contact her foster mother for further details, but I don't feel the need to unearth that topic with her, since she seemed to care far more about Julie than the rest of her family did.

And again, not sure of the arrangements. I really didn't want to be anywhere near that funeral, or those people, considering I told them what Julie was planning, her motivation, and even provided one of the plans she'd formulated and pointed out the access she had to what was necessary...and they didn't deign to respond until 2 days later. And then later that day she offed herself.


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In regards to the attitudes- after having lurked here for a while, it's nothing unexpected. But then, i'm not all that reverent towards the value of human life in the first place.

 

[Effluence]

The funny part is the worst of us who are laughing at how dead she is now didn't even follow her thread or comment there in the first place. It's the people who posted the giant crying screeds about "IT WASN'T OUR FAULT" who did all of that and obsessively archived her vagina pictures and yelled at her for being garbage, hahaha. They killed her. They might have well tied the noose themselves.

Especially @juntaro who set them on her.

I never could tell if you were making fun of Juntaro, or if he seriously was one of the people massively harassing her. I didn't actually read the entire archives. I'm not that much into this kind of spectator sport. I can definitely pass on what Info I can find on him to some interested parties, however. =) I mean, turnabout's fairplay, right?

 

[HG 400]

I never could tell if you were making fun of Juntaro, or if he seriously was one of the people massively harassing her. I didn't actually read the entire archives. I'm not that much into this kind of spectator sport.

He definitely sent most of the harassment to her and her family's facebook pages, etc. I contacted her family and the Canadian police about him and supplied them with his real name and contact details which I haven't released here because I am not a monster who doxes people for kiwis to harass.

 

[Effluence]

Inbox me the officer details later, please. I can help fill in the gaps for your report, and that might be of some help, provided there's more than circumstantial evidence. I do have some old conversations kicking around, which mention the harassment and the like.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

It was actively suicide. She and Mike were not together at the time, and she had been actively -trying- to ask me for advice on how to kill herself the last time she called me. I was extremely unhelpful in regards to that, then casually turned around and called the cops, and then fired off some messages to her family. Her family took 2 days to respond, because they did not give a fuck.

To my knowledge, she hung herself with a belt. Like. Hung. -However- that knowledge is based off what I could gather from the family through my own snooping.

That said- I don't have an interaction with that family. I -could- likely choose to contact her foster mother for further details, but I don't feel the need to unearth that topic with her, since she seemed to care far more about Julie than the rest of her family did.

And again, not sure of the arrangements. I really didn't want to be anywhere near that funeral, or those people, considering I told them what Julie was planning, her motivation, and even provided one of the plans she'd formulated and pointed out the access she had to what was necessary...and they didn't deign to respond until 2 days later. And then later that day she offed herself.


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In regards to the attitudes- after having lurked here for a while, it's nothing unexpected. But then, i'm not all that reverent towards the value of human life in the first place.

So she actually strung herself up. Wouldn't have pegged her as having the brass, so points to Jules there.
Has there been any big blowups from the ex? Any contact between you two? He briefly popped in here awhile back to throw a massive hissy.

 

[HG 400]

Inbox me the officer details later, please. I can help fill in the gaps for your report, and that might be of some help, provided there's more than circumstantial evidence. I do have some old conversations kicking around, which mention the harassment and the like.

Okay. I haven't heard back from her family at all and judging from what you've said here it seems they probably don't give a shit. The officers I talked to didn't seem very impressed getting a report about internet drama from somebody in a different country. Maybe you'll have better luck.

Check your inbox.

 

[Effluence]

I never actually met Mike. I had actually expressed a willingness to Julie- simply because I wanted to get a better gauge of the guy- But, nah. I have no real means of contact for her. I'm aware he's been here, however- and if he still has an account, and is following this topic, that he'll likely have gotten this conversation shuffled to his inbox. So, really, that's a win in and of itself.

And really, if the picture of Julie cutting herself was any indication, she never really had any compunction about being self destructive- and suicide is just a more severe form of that. *Shrugs* I wasn't even surprised, hence why I tried to alert people. It just made sense that this was what was coming next.

 

[Effluence]

Anyways- if anyone else has questions, I can -try- and answer them, but at the end of the day, I'm pretty sure I've achieved what I came here to achieve. I might lurk a little, especially if something ever actually get's my attention, but uh. Yeah, this was pretty much a mission accomplished. I just really couldn't sit back and be the only one to really know how scummy Mike and her family was. Bugged me too much.

Bye now~

P.S. Thanks Amy Lee. I'll see if what I know meshes up with your info .

 

[MW 002]

I also wanted to mention that when I was at the cemetery yesterday, I inquired if there were plans for the family to at least get her a proper gravestone and was told that they set up a gofundme apparently.

On one hand, I kinda want to send somefunds to help for reasons that I don't want to power-level about. But after hearing about what kind of people the family is, I'm kind hesitant