Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Snappy Turtle]

Yes. Companies should be able to fire someone for not getting a vaccine. I know this is going to be tough for your simpleton brain to understand, but companies don't want their employees to become sick, miss time, and infect other employees of theirs. Companies can already already fire you for most reasons they want, including vaccination status. You could be fired for wearing the wrong color socks.

How do you feel about governments compelling businesses to fire people because of their vaccination status?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@gang weeder you can thank your beloved Republicans for giving employers the ability to fire employees "at will".

Again, it's fucking hilarious how you think women shouldn't control their own bodies, but when it comes to your body, then you throw a tantrum about it. Then again, hypocrisy and alt-right retards goes together like peanut butter and jelly.

I know it's hard for folks on SSI from autism like you to understand this, but companies want their employees to be healthy and productive. When they're sick, they can't be that, and can infect others.

It's really ironic that an admitted low IQ simpleton like yourself is accusing someone else of being below 90 IQ. You really should listen to medical professionals about vaccines instead of Alex Jones, and claiming that your uneducated simpleton self knows more than medical professionals because you listen to Alex Jones is pretty hilarious.

How do you feel about governments compelling businesses to fire people because of their vaccination status?

Answer my question first, son. Whose sock are you?

 

[Snappy Turtle]

Answer my question first, son. Whose sock are you?

This is the only account I have ever had on KF you autist, now answer mine.

 

[gang weeder]

@gang weeder you can thank your beloved Republicans for giving employers the ability to fire employees "at will".

Again, it's fucking hilarious how you think women shouldn't control their own bodies, but when it comes to your body, then you throw a tantrum about it. Then again, hypocrisy and alt-right retards goes together like peanut butter and jelly.

I know it's hard for folks on SSI from autism like you to understand this, but companies want their employees to be healthy and productive. When they're sick, they can't be that, and can infect others.

It's really ironic that an admitted low IQ simpleton like yourself is accusing someone else of being below 90 IQ. You really should listen to medical professionals about vaccines instead of Alex Jones, and claiming that your uneducated simpleton self knows more than medical professionals because you listen to Alex Jones is pretty hilarious.


Answer my question first, son. Whose sock are you?

And now we are down to complete lack of substance, nothing left but insults without even a bare minimum effort at actually responding to the points raised. Thanks for being so quick to totally beclown yourself, you BIBLE THUMPING BOOMER RETARD FASCIST!

 

[Lurker]

My point is that there was an increased payout for covid diagnoses and therefore financial incentive for hospitals to make covid diagnoses. Why does covid-induced pneumonia require 2.6x the amount of resources to treat than non-covid pneumonia?

well, it's more infectious, for one, so you better have all that PPE. then you have to take into account that covid pneumonia causes shit like bloodclots, so it's a bitch to treat because you're not just dealing with a patient's lungs. more tests, more meds, more treatments, more time in the hospital - costs start to add up.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

This is the only account I have ever had on KF you autist, now answer mine.

I doubt that. I always answer you bible thumpers questions but you never answer mine, so I am not answering your question. Especially since I have answered it recently in this very thread. I know reading is hard for your simpleton brain, but it'll give you good practice.

And now we are down to complete lack of substance, nothing left but insults without even a bare minimum effort at actually responding to the points raised. Thanks for being so quick to totally beclown yourself, you BIBLE THUMPING BOOMER RETARD FASCIST!

Yes, we know you're upset that women want to control their bodies and companies want their employees to be healthy and productive. Now, run along back to Patriots.win and maybe you'll calm down a bit.

 

[gang weeder]

well, it's more infectious, for one, so you better have all that PPE. then you have to take into account that covid pneumonia causes shit like bloodclots, so it's a bitch to treat because you're not just dealing with a patient's lungs. more tests, more meds, more treatments, more time in the hospital - costs start to add up.

Uhm, excuse me, schweaty, but uhh, what's your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOORCE for that?

Since, y'know. You were pulling that on people today. Seriously, where's your evidence that treating COVID pneumonia cost 2.6x more than treating "normal"/non-COVID pneumonia? Do you have any, or did you just, y'know. Pull that claim completely out of your ass?

That's the thing about arguing evidence instead of principle, you typically want to at least have some kind of something you can pretend is evidence to point at.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

well, it's more infectious, for one, so you better have all that PPE. then you have to take into account that covid pneumonia causes shit like bloodclots, so it's a bitch to treat because you're not just dealing with a patient's lungs. more tests, more meds, more treatments, more time in the hospital - costs start to add up.

He's an obvious sock account who believes every conspiracy meme he sees on Facebook. He's also proven that he has trouble reading.

 

[Snappy Turtle]

well, it's more infectious, for one, so you better have all that PPE. then you have to take into account that covid pneumonia causes shit like bloodclots, so it's a bitch to treat because you're not just dealing with a patient's lungs. more tests, more meds, more treatments, more time in the hospital - costs start to add up.

Everyone in the hospital was wearing PPE regardless of whether or not the patient had covid. Covid itself occasionally causes blood clots, but we're talking about patients who are in the hospital because of pneumonia. If it was caused by Covid then the hospital gets 2.6x the reimbursement, regardless of symptoms or severity. You're saying it's because they need more tests, meds, and treatments? Cite this.

 

[Snappy Turtle]

He's an obvious sock account who believes every conspiracy meme he sees on Facebook. He's also proven that he has trouble reading.

what makes me an obvious sock account? Also you never said how you feel about governments pressuring businesses to fire people for not getting vaxxed. Presumably this means you disagree with the practice, correct me if you don't.

 

[Lurker]

Uhm, excuse me, schweaty, but uhh, what's your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOORCE for that?

Since, y'know. You were pulling that on people today. Seriously, where's your evidence that treating COVID pneumonia cost 2.6x more than treating "normal"/non-COVID pneumonia? Do you have any, or did you just, y'know. Pull that claim completely out of your ass?

That's the thing about arguing evidence instead of principle, you typically want to at least have some kind of something you can pretend is evidence to point at.

idk, why don't you read the thread and the articles already posted, friendo?

 

[Wood]

you think women shouldn't control their own bodies

I mean, they already don't but maybe they should.

 

[Lurker]

Everyone in the hospital was wearing PPE regardless of whether or not the patient had covid. Covid itself occasionally causes blood clots, but we're talking about patients who are in the hospital because of pneumonia. If it was caused by Covid then the hospital gets 2.6x the reimbursement, regardless of symptoms or severity. You're saying it's because they need more tests, meds, and treatments? Cite this.

more PPE was needed because hospitals kept getting overrun with covid patients.

so let me try to understand your argument: if there is a patient who has pneumonia, but also tests positive for covid, you're implying that it's possible covid wasn't the cause of the pneumonia in the first place and therefore it would be impossible to know if the pneumonia is covid-pneumonia, therefore a hospital can claim that the patient indeed has covid-pneumonia to get those sweet sweet government dollars. am i correct?

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If it was caused by Covid then the hospital gets 2.6x the reimbursement, regardless of symptoms or severity.

in this article, posted earlier: https://www.aha.org/news/blog/2020-...eal-so-financial-strain-life-saving-hospitals

Hospitals and health systems are eligible to receive higher payments for complex COVID-19-related treatment under the CARES Act – that much is true.

 

[namvata]

what makes me an obvious sock account?

with HHH you have to realize nearly everything he accuses you of, he is guilty of himself. Boomer? His entire frame of reference reeks of middle age. Theocrat? He's religiously devoted to scientism. Fascist? He believes scientism's edicts must be foisted upon the public. Sock account? @secret watcher . The list goes on

 

[Snappy Turtle]

more PPE was needed because hospitals kept getting overrun with covid patients.

so let me try to understand your argument: if there is a patient who has pneumonia, but also tests positive for covid, you're implying that it's possible covid wasn't the cause of the pneumonia in the first place and therefore it would be impossible to know if the pneumonia is covid-pneumonia, therefore a hospital can claim that the patient indeed has covid-pneumonia to get those sweet sweet government dollars. am i correct?

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in this article, posted earlier: https://www.aha.org/news/blog/2020-...eal-so-financial-strain-life-saving-hospitals

No, I'm saying that pneumonia caused by covid is not treated differently from pneumonia caused by other viruses, and asking why hospitals are being reimbursed 2.6x for the same treatment.

 

[Lurker]

No, I'm saying that pneumonia caused by covid is not treated differently from pneumonia caused by other viruses, and asking why hospitals are being reimbursed 2.6x for the same treatment.

https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/01/why-covid-19-pneumonia-worse-than-typical-pneumonia/ lol idk

 

[Snappy Turtle]

https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/01/why-covid-19-pneumonia-worse-than-typical-pneumonia/ lol idk

Nowhere on this website does it say the two pneumonias are treated differently. It does say

The severe complications of COVID-19 compared with other pneumonias might be related to the long course of disease rather than more severe disease, the study authors said. [...] Those with COVID-19 pneumonia are sick for a long time, but the inflammation in their lungs is not as severe as regular pneumonia.

For a brief hospital stay, it sounds like covid-19 pneumonia is actually easier to treat than non-covid pneumonia. Perhaps covid-19 hospitalized patients are in the hospital for 2.6x as long? But I haven't seen anything to back that up.

 

[gang weeder]

idk, why don't you read the thread and the articles already posted, friendo?

Uhm, schweatie, that isn't a SOOORCE. Are you saying you don't have a SOORCE?

The STOODY showing that it costs 2.6x more to treat COVID pneumonia than other forms of pneumonia isn't in anything you posted. That's because the study doesn't exist. You made up this claim off the top of your head and it's total bullshit. And you sit here trying to sourcefag other people. lmao

 

[Lurker]

Nowhere on this website does it say the two pneumonias are treated differently. It does say

For a brief hospital stay, it sounds like covid-19 pneumonia is actually easier to treat than non-covid pneumonia. Perhaps covid-19 hospitalized patients are in the hospital for 2.6x as long? But I haven't seen anything to back that up.

Is Pneumonia Related to COVID-19 Being Diagnosed and Treated Differently?​

Diagnosing pneumonia right now may be more challenging than usual, because of the logistics of taking X-rays in people suspected of having COVID-19, according to Michael Niederman, M.D., clinical director and associate chief of pulmonary and critical care at Weill Cornell Medicine. That’s because imaging equipment used for someone who may have COVID-19 requires extensive disinfecting afterward, and various people and areas of the hospital or health center may be exposed before, during, and afterward. For COVID-19, he says, “The very starting point of doing an X-ray to recognize pneumonia is not as simple as it was.”
Otherwise, a case of COVID-19 pneumonia is generally diagnosed in the same way as other types. Sometimes, chest X-rays can hint at whether a pneumonia is viral or bacterial, but even in cases of a probable viral cause, the image can’t tell doctors which virus is the culprit, Desai says. Testing for flu—and, if that test is negative, then testing for COVID-19—can help pinpoint the cause.
In terms of treatment, even though COVID-19 is a virus, people who develop severe pneumonia are likely to be given antibiotics, just in case of a secondary bacterial infection, according to the experts we spoke with.
So far it’s unclear how often people with COVID-19 develop secondary bacterial pneumonia, says Charles Dela Cruz, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Center of Pulmonary Infection Research and Treatment at Yale University. But during the H1N1 influenza pandemic in 2009, secondary bacterial infections were common.
Beyond that, however, another major difference with COVID-19 is that there are no treatments proved to effectively fight the virus. Those hospitalized for COVID-19 will receive supportive care, such as oxygen. Some people have also received antiviral drugs, but none have yet been shown to be effective against the virus in clinical trials.

edit2: @Snappy Turtle: my apologies, here's my source on my quote: https://www.consumerreports.org/cor...ngerous-coronavirus-complication-a3179332195/ sorry about that.

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Uhm, schweatie, that isn't a SOOORCE. Are you saying you don't have a SOORCE?

The STOODY showing that it costs 2.6x more to treat COVID pneumonia than other forms of pneumonia isn't in anything you posted. That's because the study doesn't exist. You made up this claim off the top of your head and it's total bullshit. And you sit here trying to sourcefag other people. lmao

don't need a source for common sense, friendo.

 

[namvata]

don't need a source for common sense, friendo.

oh well if we're going with the "common sense" copout then by all means nobody should trust a vax where the manufacturers have no legal liability for any injury caused by it's effects.