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Too many writers these days, and not just of animated projects, are hacks who are all too suited to be working on the sort of sitcoms that are so hokey and cliched they look more like parodies of bad sitcoms; or are cynical "genre savvy" self-aware losers who write like they're trying to outsmart TVTropes.
 
This indie cartoon got released on Youtube. You know its furry bait because Sabrespark likes it, but its also really impressive for an indie produced animation. Apparently its an animated adaptation of webcomic. I really love the 1920's aesthetic.

This was genuinely amazing and one fo the rare furry projects that’s actually great., honestly I have no issue with the animal focus at all because it seems to be done in a sort of cats don’t dance sort of way and they were designed to be cute and likeable rather than furry bait I think, the animation action and voice acting were all absolutely stellar in this. It just goes to show if more furries put effort into making great stuff like this instead of degenerate shit there would be so much drama.
 
This indie cartoon got released on Youtube. You know its furry bait because Sabrespark likes it, but its also really impressive for an indie produced animation. Apparently its an animated adaptation of webcomic. I really love the 1920's aesthetic.

Speaking of which, here's another indie pilot made by a storyboard artist for Disney TVA
 
I think you're being too hard on ruby gilman even with the underaged troon doing voice work that doesn't speak for whatever quality it ends up having, wait for it to be fully released...THEN you can throw your tomatoes at it and gripe and grief about how could DreamWorks do puss n boots 2 one year then a travesty the next.

in other news another internet personality chimes in on Velma, late as fuck on it yes but even he acknowledges this.

Elvis is an ok guy as far as youtube reviewers go, like dr wolfula he doesn't usually do animation but he knows shit when he sees it.
 
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Too many writers these days, and not just of animated projects, are hacks who are all too suited to be working on the sort of sitcoms that are so hokey and cliched they look more like parodies of bad sitcoms; or are cynical "genre savvy" self-aware losers who write like they're trying to outsmart TVTropes.
Agreed.

These modern writers are just not cut out for writing genre stories like adventure, fantasy or sci-fi.
 
Agreed.

These modern writers are just not cut out for writing genre stories like adventure, fantasy or sci-fi.
I think modern writers' problems stem from their lack of real life adventure, which good fantasy ironically relies on. Take Tintin for example. Herge actually traveled to the places Tintin went to (except for the moon obviously) and crafted stories around them. Ignoring the few stories' outdated stereotypes, the landscapes, the action (albeit looney tune as hell) and human interactions in general were all engaging and exciting!

As for sci-fi? More like fi-sci with how little they apply actual science that's required to make it believable and inspirational. Ask a modern sci-fi writer how something works and their answer will boil down to "space magic". Why do you think almost every invention from Back to the Future is real now and not one invention from Rick and Morty is?

I'm going to be as fair as I can by saying everyone has to start somewhere, nobody shits gold on their first squat. It's also not as affordable nor safe (thanks a lot cuntvernments) to travel around the world and experience cultures like we could back then so I get the narrow scope in that regard (but not in sci-fi, your library is free crack a fucking book). Even in today's world where you can record and share anything to everyone in seconds, you still can't beat a real life personal experience.

HOWEVER.

There's only so many times a story can be told "The Pixar Way" because the space cadet chucklefucks in production are consooming the same goddamn media and confusing "inspiration" with "bootlegging"! One way this problem can be fixed is if all the aspiring creatives really look at their genre of choice and learn what goes into it to make it what it is and is not.

Adventure requires a need to travel and experience.
Fantasy requires an eye for things that don't exist but could if you believe.thats the gayest thing ive ever typed
Sci-Fi requires a thirst for knowledge and a mind never quenched.

For all we know some monkey with a typewriter out there is way ahead of me and the next masterpiece is around the corner, anything is possible, but that's my unwanted two cents about it............I should watch tintin again.
 
But Luz is the quirkiest, most special girl in existence, ignoring the fact that she's basically from Halloweentown. A town called Gravesfield, where stories of witches are imbedded in the culture of the town, witchhunters are seen as folklore legends, there's a museum dedicated to the supernatural and occult, but Luz doesn't fit in because she likes "spooky and weird" things? Okay. I'm sick of outcast characters written by people who were obviously never outcasts.
The episode where we see the mothers flashback to when Luz was a kid was just painfull to watch. Luz being a spoiled brat that would shove snake skins into other kids faces and show a lack of ANY logical thinking. And all the mother did was look at her little gremlin and laugh just how precious she is.

 

Ah yes more shitty reboots.
Actually, it doesn’t look that bad at all. It's doing something new with the property that actually sorta makes sense. Plus, Joe Dante, the director of both original movies, is producing it, so consider me cautiously optimistic for this one (unless Joe went woke in recent years, in which case, feel free to crush my spirits).
 
Ask a modern sci-fi writer how something works and their answer will boil down to "space magic".
This is what I hate about both modern science and modern fantasy.

The era of tring to make consistent, coherent, believable worlds is long gone and the very concept of Verisimilitude is basically dead.

Writers no longer care about how their world would actually function, or the short or long term implications of anything they do.

The worst part is if you dare question any of it the comeback is always "Bro, there's spaceships and magic, you think those are realistic too?" to dismiss any issues you have with it.

They don't seem to understand the difference between "realistic", "plausible", "Verisimilitude" and most importantly "Consistent".

I know this is a cold take, but I blame "diversity" as the root of all this. The incessant need to shove blacks and women everywhere and especially in places where they didn't belong in the name of inclusion just opened up the door to completely abolish internal and external consistency of invented worlds because at that point the message was more important than the story itself and all else followed.

After that you didn't have to justify anything in your story and that's how we got to where we are now.

Yes, I'm sure your medieval european kingdom has 2 black lesbian queens, a deaf general and a blind captain, and I'm sure your mediterranean island kingdom is 50% black men with the military and police being 50% women.

Once we reached the point where writers stopped needing to justify the inner workings of their worlds, it was naturally going to go downhill from there.
 
Geoff Dunbar's Ubu


"Ubu Roi" (King Ubu) is in fact a 1896 play by then 23-year-old French writer Alfred Jarry, about a king that's more negative traits than man abusing his power.
The first performance, according to Wikipedia, caused a riotous reaction from the public and allegedly opened the door for 20th century modernism.
Dunbar's version depicts well the anarchic and vile world in which these characters live in.
 
This studio once made The Prince of Egypt and Stallion of the Cimarron.
You forgot Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon
I think you're being too hard on ruby gilman even with the underaged troon doing voice work that doesn't speak for whatever quality it ends up having, wait for it to be fully released...THEN you can throw your tomatoes at it and gripe and grief about how could DreamWorks do puss n boots 2 one year then a travesty the next.

in other news another internet personality chimes in on Velma, late as fuck on it yes but even he acknowledges this.

Elvis is an ok guy as far as youtube reviewers go, like dr wolfula he doesn't usually do animation but he knows shit when he sees is. Also one last note, he stared out doing a series called "people ruin." a look at how people fuck up popular series with weird fanart/fan porn.
>Elvis the Alien
No offense, but you really have shitty taste in e-celeb culture. Most of the shit you like scream Reddit-tier bullshit.
 
You forgot Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon
I mentioned how to train your dragon earlier in another comment, but honestly dreamworks has tried their best to also run it into the ground.

The first movie and the christmas special were both incredible, the first (two?) series were ok, but anything from the second movie onwards went downhill and it went downhill fast.

They destroyed it in so many ways that its honestly impossible to fit them all into a single comment here.
 
I mentioned how to train your dragon earlier in another comment, but honestly dreamworks has tried their best to also run it into the ground.

The first movie and the christmas special were both incredible, the first (two?) series were ok, but anything from the second movie onwards went downhill and it went downhill fast.

They destroyed it in so many ways that its honestly impossible to fit them all into a single comment here.
The third movie was great. It's not as good as the first, but it wrapped up amazingly.
 
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The third movie was great. It's not as good as the first, but it wrapped up amazingly.
The problem with this comment is that I've actually seen people unironically espouse this opinion, so I can't tell if you're memeing or not.

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To not appear condescending, the reason I disagree with the idea that it wrapped up amazingly is because its emotionally manipulative and tries to build itself up by tearing the other movies down in what I can only describe as "emotional blackmail", by forcing a seperation where it doesn't fit, knowing that the previous movies have made you love the characters and therefore will be sad if the split up no matter how much sense it makes.

Its riddled with plotholes, character inconsistencies and characters acting out of character, and tries to force the seperation when it doesn't make any sense and there's a million better solutions.

Director wanted to copy the seperation ending from the books, forgeting that the movies and the books have nothing in common other than the title and a few character names, and as a result the third movie directly contradicts the previous two in themes, messages and characters.

The hiccup and toothless in this movie are literally entirely seperate characters doing a full 180 from their previous portrayals and a lot of what hiccup says and does in this movie is literally a direct word for word contradiction of what he said in the previous ones.

Old hiccup literally gave a speech in the second movie explaining why hiccup in third movie is a dipshit.

"Those who attacked us are relentless and crazy. But those who stopped them? Oh, even more so! We may be small in numbers, but we stand for something bigger than anything the world can pit against us. We are the voice of peace. And bit by bit, we will change this world. You see, we have something they don't. Oh sure, they have armies and they have armadas... But we... we have... OUR DRAGONS!"

This is hiccup in the second movie and the third movie he's like "lmao nevermind". The third movie isn't forcing a square peg in a round hole, its taking a sledgehammer and smashing the board then claiming it was a success because you're sad the board is now broken.

That essay I linked earlier covers 99% of the problems with the movie because what I said here isn't even scratching the iceberg, but if you want to question specifics I can bring up the relevant parts and elaborate on them.
 
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Joe Dante, the director of both original movies, is producing it,
Joe Dante's stayed sane more or less, but him producing don't mean shit anymore. At best they got him to do it so just so they can attach his name to it to sucker fans of the original into seeing it, and all because he's desperate for a paycheck having not directed anything mainstream in so long. But like I said save the tomatoes and eggs for when the show is actually released.
>Elvis the Alien
No offense, but you really have shitty taste in e-celeb culture. Most of the shit you like scream Reddit-tier bullshit.
I don't know about most e celebs outside the videos they produce. Aside the more notable ones like Doug walker or Lewis louvhaugh and that's because their dirty laundry is so widespread it's front page lolcow board material on this very forum. I'm just gonna stop posting their work here from now on, cause like our president at a press conference. I don't know what's what anymore.

The episode where we see the mothers flashback to when Luz was a kid was just painfull to watch. Luz being a spoiled brat that would shove snake skins into other kids faces and show a lack of ANY logical thinking. And all the mother did was look at her little gremlin and laugh just how precious she is.

I was willing to be nice at first and think "huh maybe the writers are just trying (and failing big time) to set luz up as a weird kid who lacks social graces as a character quirk, but I can live in denial no longer. Luz is a complete and utter moron who had a shitty parent that should have stepped in and said "no that is not how you behave to other people." She's completely irredeemable as a character as is her shit tier "girlfriend" Amity. You call her a "gremlin" I call her and Amity "Nuevo Weimar girls of animation."

A girl character in western animation created by another female writer (or a beta male/troon writer) created to be the ideal "modern girl." Overly tomboyish to the point of bordering on being a pooner in later life, a sexuality that's anything but straight, has absolutely zero social graces or sense of boundaries, (much like their creator) is nuerodivergent retarded in some way, (also like the creator) and very raley is fully white and raised by a nuclear couple, and if not fugly as sin at first will be made fugly as the show progresses. example:
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The problem with this comment is that I've actually seen people unironically espouse this opinion, so I can't tell if you're memeing or not.
It feels a bit bland compared to the other two (not helped by following on from arguably the best of the franchise), but it's still a fun watch. God knows how they're going to follow it up in the fourth movie without depowering Po, though.
 
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